Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.49.0] [Selebus]

[Detective Dc345]

Spoiler: Congrats Kaori!

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[shmurfer]

    $ kaori_love += 1
    $ pbj += 1
    stop music fadeout 5.0

    "{i}Kaori’s affection has increased to [kaori_love]!{/i}"
    "{i}You have obtained a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and broccoli!{/i}"

Guess this is something I'm farming now.


[edit]While I'm at it, zoopledoop is a variable that's tracked if you aren't fucking Sara when she explains her hallucinations. It's red path so I'm not getting it but what even is this chapter at this rate.

 

[Bingoogus]

Spoiler: Congrats Kaori!

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It'd be really cool to see Kaori's Spider tattoo turned into a full horimono design...

 

[Pedro4545454]

lmfao game have billion hints and narrator keep straight up says nothing is real we created this world for u etc.
and u say it cant be a "dream/simulation/coma/afterlife" ?

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[Riolol]

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I vaguely remember somebody (possibly a narrator) asking something like "what's with all the USER2 stuff?" so I think he has something planned with the simulation shenanigans. Also in your screenshot he says it's not a dream but no mention of a simulation(I still really hope it's not that).

 

[Pedro4545454]

Also in your screenshot he says it's not a dream but no mention of a simulation(I still really hope it's not that).

As I said, dream and simulation are something similar so he wouldn't include it, and another thing, I think that right here on f95 Selly once mocked a theory involving simulation.

I vaguely remember somebody (possibly a narrator) asking something like "what's with all the USER2 stuff?"

And yes, there is that too, the narrators/gods sometimes make fun of this involving dream and simulation, I believe this is more Selly making fun of people for believing this is a simulation/only dream.

 

[jclark1337]

I think this is a better interpretation of a "simulation" plotline and could possibly work. Like you said, the overarching reasoning behind everything doesn't matter as much as what's actually happening to the characters.

I'm honestly leaning more towards the everything Akira experiencing just being symbolic manifestations of his delusions a la Monogatari series. The world is real and everything is happening, but the narrator(s) are unreliable. Whether supernatural or not, I still feel like the Gods are things he created in his own mind, as segments of his personality and trauma that he is splitting away from himself and giving sentience (either real or false.) Sana and the other characters might be experiencing this phenomenon as well, conjuring up their own "gods" because they can't face their problems and insecurities.
The "gods" are real, because they believe they are. They must be believed in, be feared, be dreaded, be avoided, be respected, be worshipped, be feared, be despised, be wished upon. For that is why they exist.

Thinking more on this, the "gods" known as Wires, HOPE, and Pareidolia are probably so invested in Akira because they were BORN from him. They are deeply tied to him and if they are supernatural beings manifesting from within a person's psyche, of course they are going to be obsessed with Akira. He is deeply ashamed and traumatized from his past. He has indicated many times that he WANTS to be punished and doesn't understand why he keeps getting away with the stuff he does.

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[hopeisdead6969]

I wonder how many times Sel has read people’s ending theories, and they ended up being right or close to it, and he was like “SHIT!” and changed it so as to avoid embarrassment…

 

[jclark1337]

I wonder how many times Sel has read people’s ending theories, and they ended up being right or close to it, and he was like “SHIT!” and changed it so as to avoid embarrassment…

Hopefully he doesn't read this thread anymore tbh XD but he might be lurking, we never know

 

[jclark1337]

Based Grisaia poster, Michiru best girl

 

[gazgiz]

I do not think the game is a simulation/dream/hell in the "positive" story structure version. Or at least if it is, I do I'm moving far away from the idea the idea that it's a "simulation/dream/hell" for Sensei. I'm starting to think that all the girls are as real and as trapped as he is. It just feels that way as (a?) Sensei is the person that we follow into this world.

 

[gazgiz]

Hopefully he doesn't read this thread anymore tbh XD but he might be lurking, we never know

I would bet a bunch of money that he lurks and comments

 

[crustlord12]

I would bet a bunch of money that he lurks and comments

GSwole what's your take?

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

About the whole ‘simulation’ thing, I also addressed my thoughts on it awhile back if anyone’s interested:

The Nao door scene is definitely weird, and it isn't too far fetched to see why one would think they're all trapped in a simulation and Kumon-mi is just part of one big experiment. However, I still don't fully subscribe to this theory, for one key reason:

Spoiler: The Reason

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Personally, I’m still very much on the fence about the whole thing. The USER2 Secret Room from the Camping Trip is still the best evidence we have regarding everything being a simulation. The fact that different worlds are split into numbered terminals is also pretty weird.

With that in mind, though, as others have pointed out above… how much of this is an actual ‘simulation’ with outside influence, and how much of this is Akira continuing to suppress his memories, and he’s crafting a lot of this weirdness himself? I mean, he does have the power to do that.

Replay Yasu’s “Frankincense and Myrrh” and “Hand of God” events from Chapter 3. It goes into exactly what Akira can be capable of; how with a change of perception, he can manipulate the world around him, just like his father (Yuu).

Oh yes, and regarding the USER2 Room, once again… I will say this. Can we reallllly trust Wires? Like actually? Come on…

Wires might be more ‘Calm’ about things, and less ‘horrible’ than HOPE or Pareidolia (supposedly) was, but that doesn’t mean he’s our friend. Wires must have an ulterior motive. He’s just playing the long game.

To trust a god is a horrible idea, until they give us reason to trust them. And even then, it’s still a gamble. This is also assuming Wires and the other gods are ‘real’, and aren’t just manifestations of Akira’s broken subconscious.

 

[Pedro4545454]

This is also assuming Wires and the other gods are ‘real’, and aren’t just manifestations of Akira’s broken subconscious.

Hope, he looked very real when he appeared to Ayane and Makoto, Wire has already possessed Tsuneyo, Sekai is inside Kaori and Kaori can talk to her, everything so far points to the gods being real since they interacted more with other people and not only with Akira, so denying their existence nowadays is meaningless.

 

[gazgiz]

About the whole ‘simulation’ thing, I also addressed my thoughts on it awhile back if anyone’s interested:

With that in mind, though, as others have pointed out above… how much of this is an actual ‘simulation’ with outside influence, and how much of this is Akira continuing to suppress his memories, and he’s crafting a lot of this weirdness himself? I mean, he does have the power to do that.

Spoiler: Current Spoilers I guess?

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[gazgiz]

Hope, he looked very real when he appeared to Ayane and Makoto, Wire has already possessed Tsuneyo, Sekai is inside Kaori and Kaori can talk to her, everything so far points to the gods being real since they interacted more with other people and not only with Akira, so denying their existence nowadays is meaningless.

I thought Wires was Tsuneyo's father? Or is this speculation that I've internalized as being "true"

 

[Pedro4545454]

I thought Wires was Tsuneyo's father? Or is this speculation that I've internalized as being "true"

This is the most accepted theory so far involving Tsuneyo's father, so in my point of view this theory is real and makes sense.

 

[gazgiz]

This is the most accepted theory so far involving Tsuneyo's father, so in my point of view this theory is real and makes sense.

Right. I honestly thought that Yasu would have put "the gods aren't real" to bed.....

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

Hope, he looked very real when he appeared to Ayane and Makoto, Wire has already possessed Tsuneyo, Sekai is inside Kaori and Kaori can talk to her, everything so far points to the gods being real since they interacted more with other people and not only with Akira, so denying their existence nowadays is meaningless.

Spoiler: Current Spoilers I guess?

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Hey, most likely! I don’t claim to know the answers. I’m just openly speculating. You both make very good points in regards of the gods’ existence. Especially remembering Sara blacks out too. That’s… yeah.

If I can offer an amendment to my original post, then: is it possible that both could be true? Are HOPE and Wires two very real outside entities, and Pareidolia and Sekai’s ghost are manifestations of Akira’s mind?

Pareidolia only has one believer, after all: Akira. And when he asked the God of Save Slots who Pareidolia was, he seemed to have no clue who that even was.

You would think Akira has to constantly be around for him to keep the entities stable or in place for the ‘Akira is creating them from his mind’ theory to be true, but… does he really?

Restoring his memories of Sekai on the Beach is what ultimately allowed her to ‘reawaken’, after all. He could simply be creating these entities and allowing them to wander.

…Buuuuut, again, it’s all just speculation. We’re trying to put together a still incomplete puzzle. We simply need more pieces first before we can figure this out.