Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.49.0] [Selebus]

[barglenarglezous]

Going by her fanfest event, I think she DOES know what sex is, it's just a bit hard to get her to make the connection.
Remember that one of her first events is discovering her selfieposting was sexual.

Can't speak on Fanfest content as I haven't touched it (and won't), but I file that under "as canonical as the care package animations," which is to say -- not at all.

But also -- Kaori is a gestalt of what's left of the girl named Kaori and the things that have taken up residence in her through various means. What she does or doesn't understand is entirely dependent upon which entity is in charge in the moment.

So, Kaori is just Kaori until proven otherwise, at which point I'll wait five minutes and assess again.

 

[Axismundi]

Not sure if this has been said but Sara may commit suicide in the next update, Molly's line about that being the last thing Sana ever said to her could have been foreshadowing. Just a fucked up prediction, I hope i'm wrong. If it does happen I'm sure it will be "fixed" in a reset.

Sara won't kill herself (at least not because of this).

The big problem with your theory is that the situation is entirely avoidable. If you don't meet the requirements for the events, then Sensei just walks away, and it's implied that the other girls don't even show up because Sensei isn't there. If something is going to cause a character to kill themself, then it has to be in an event that can't be missed.

 

[Hungnoxu]

The fact that there are no members of your preferred sex around doesn't mean the needs go away. Some will rub them out, some will abstain, but many will take the nearest port in the storm.

So in an actual "all women and one man" scenario, the women are gonna hook up with each other when the man isn't available. That doesn't make them gay. It doesn't even make them bi. It just means that they were horny and they found a port in the storm.

Confirmed Lesbian: Osako
Probable Lesbian, but might be bi: Wakana, Rika
Confirmed Bi: Rin, Molly, Otoha, Nodoka, Kirin, Nodoka, Haruka, Maki, Imani, Noriko
Probable Straight, but might be bi: Chika, Sana, Tsuneyo, Uta, Sara, Niki, Tsubasa
Confirmed Straight: Makoto, Miku, Futaba, Ayane, Ami, Maya, Touka, Karin, Yuki
Asexual: Io
Asexual?: Yumi, Yasu, Kaori
Literal child: Chinami, Tsukasa
Eldritch Horror posing a Child: Nao-chan

Notes:
Tsuneyo claims to be straight, but her fascination with Ami's legs nudges her up the scale a notch
Yumi has spoken in terms of affection, but not attraction, and her binding her chest indicates a desire to not be seen as a sexual creature. At the rate she's going, she would fall firmly under "grey ace" asexuality.
Yasu's fixation on sex as a spiritual experience and not a personal one makes it damn near impossible to put her in a category.
Kaori is Kaori and at times doesn't even seem to understand what sex is.
Ami and Maya are straight, that whole dynamic is about combining their power to eliminate the other girls, not about any affection or attraction they have to each other
Rin + Chika happens because Chika's needs aren't being met and Rin's a (very) consenting port in the storm.

Wow, thx alot for this. And uhh, I guess I'll take "Chika's needs aren't being met" as a bad thing gonna happen between Sensei and Chika because I'm only at chapter 2.

 

[Apollo259]

Nah, there is no way people consider this as cheating.

There is definitely a self insert crowd that sees it as NTR against them personally, that hates it for that reason. And they surely are morons. Probably should not even make this post, lest we have another 4 pages of NTR discourse.

 

[ElaineZol]

I think it's a generational thing. Growing up, porn magazines was about the best most gen X and Y guys could hope for, seeing naked ladies was hard, seeing two together was double the fun, and we were just happy to get our hands on them. Zoomers and Alpha's grew up with the internet in full working order, soon as they found an interest in boobs they were just there, in multitudes, they never developed the proper degree of gratitude for them cause they were simply too easy to see whenever they wanted and so two chicks was no more impressive. You take that fact and combine it with the far more common fear of getting cucked and it's easy to see how they transfer that insecurity onto lesbians, it's not two chicks having fun, it's cheating, it's getting cucked! How dare they! don't you know i am the amazing penis-haver, they should only be focused on me and my amazing penis and no other penises should exist!

This actually makes a lot of sense to me, and now that I think about it, I have noticed the difference in my generation vs the younger demographic (at least with the people I've met).

And this is the view i am referring to, disinterest, not hatred or phobia of lesbians, just a complete lack of interest in joining in. In my day, every guy wanted to watch lesbians, with the holy grail being to have a threesome with them. I mean fuck, the concept was so universal American Pie 2 even played with it... we all wanted to insert ourselves between those two chicks, but failing that, we'd absolutely settle for just getting to watch...

And now I feel old, but goddamn you are so right, this was totally me and the boys back in the day lmao. I had to double check, dude that movie came out in 2001 holy shit

 

[Hungnoxu]

Rin is certainly an interesting girl . She could proceed to kiss you for 10 minutes straight, said she might like you or something, and nothing changes from that moment

 

[shmurfer]

Kaori is Kaori and at times doesn't even seem to understand what sex is.
Ami and Maya are straight, that whole dynamic is about combining their power to eliminate the other girls, not about any affection or attraction they have to each other

Kaori knows what sex is now and is more in the awkward teenager not sure how to ask for more sex phase of her life.

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Ami is probably closer to Alt Sekai, playing with his toys. I think she even mentions that during 'the scene'.

Maya is Senseisexual, but she has a weak spot for how perfect Tsuneyo is. Care package content suggests she's closer to bi in general if she didn't have the perfect man already.

Sara won't kill herself (at least not because of this).

The big problem with your theory is that the situation is entirely avoidable. If you don't meet the requirements for the events, then Sensei just walks away, and it's implied that the other girls don't even show up because Sensei isn't there. If something is going to cause a character to kill themself, then it has to be in an event that can't be missed.

This is less of a secure argument than you think it is. With the choices made as far out as CH1 to CH4, it'd be really easy to separate the two paths. Any relevant suicide could be green path exclusive, or whatever path we eventually name Ami, Sara and Haruka. We have green path sacrificial sex, green path incest, green path wizard grooming, a suicide / attempt could fit in at this point.

 

[TBone9]

Tsuneyo - "Why were my questions not as complex as this one? Why do I have to scissor the teacher's daughter?"
Sana - "We can...scissor her together..."

So now I'm trying to figure out how 3 girls scissoring is supposed to work, at least if they all try to do it at the same time, rather than taking turns. That sounds like some gymnast-level contortionism to me.

(That being said, I have no doubt that I could search PornHub right now and find several examples of it if I wanted to.)

Damn... Maybe I'm afraid of getting cucked by another girl after all. Not if both of them r inlove with me tho XD

Having your wife/girlfriend leave you for another man has always been considered to be bad, but having her leave you for another woman implies an extra level of humiliation, usually implying that you "turned" her to the other side.

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

Another retarded ass discussion over here.

Lesbians are hot and Gays are not, that's the way my dick reacts to it and I don't need to formulate any arguments to explain it.

 

[Bingoogus]

And now I feel old, but goddamn you are so right, this was totally me and the boys back in the day lmao.

Yup

This conversation reminded me of an episode of just shoot me that i thought had the concept so beautifully exemplified that i had to hunt it down:

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That final act of the episode was poetry.

 

[Mike.Ross80]

The fact that there are no members of your preferred sex around doesn't mean the needs go away. Some will rub them out, some will abstain, but many will take the nearest port in the storm.

So in an actual "all women and one man" scenario, the women are gonna hook up with each other when the man isn't available. That doesn't make them gay. It doesn't even make them bi. It just means that they were horny and they found a port in the storm.

Confirmed Lesbian: Osako
Probable Lesbian, but might be bi: Wakana, Rika
Confirmed Bi: Rin, Molly, Otoha, Nodoka, Kirin, Nodoka, Haruka, Maki, Imani, Noriko
Probable Straight, but might be bi: Chika, Sana, Tsuneyo, Uta, Sara, Niki, Tsubasa
Confirmed Straight: Makoto, Miku, Futaba, Ayane, Ami, Maya, Touka, Karin, Yuki
Asexual: Io
Asexual?: Yumi, Yasu, Kaori
Literal child: Chinami, Tsukasa
Eldritch Horror posing a Child: Nao-chan

Notes:
Tsuneyo claims to be straight, but her fascination with Ami's legs nudges her up the scale a notch
Yumi has spoken in terms of affection, but not attraction, and her binding her chest indicates a desire to not be seen as a sexual creature. At the rate she's going, she would fall firmly under "grey ace" asexuality.
Yasu's fixation on sex as a spiritual experience and not a personal one makes it damn near impossible to put her in a category.
Kaori is Kaori and at times doesn't even seem to understand what sex is.
Ami and Maya are straight, that whole dynamic is about combining their power to eliminate the other girls, not about any affection or attraction they have to each other
Rin + Chika happens because Chika's needs aren't being met and Rin's a (very) consenting port in the storm.

Maya has said a few times in the game she's attracted to girls as well; and I believe Ayane or Ami has also stated Maya swings that way. Plus there is the statement from the game that only dorms 2, 3 and 9 don't have any lesbian/bisexual girls living in them. The convos are mostly one offs around her as she doesn't talk about herself. I also seem to remember Noriko saying Maya was Bi as well.

Chika also said she was attracted and would date a girl back in Chapter 1, before even getting really involved with Akira. Plus she is like the the president of the Niki fan club that wants to bone her. AT a min, she is Niki-sexual.

Yumi did say she thought Shohei Otani was hot and like the perfect guy and that he could "get it". Could be a cover, but I think she's just straight but doesn't like to talk about sex.

Karin early on was talking about getting married to a woman and adopting kids and finding out it is not about boys and girls, but about love. She likely would be straight if there were more men around, but she atleast seems open to being with a woman

 

[Riolol]

This thread has become so boring lately

Why don't you entertain us then?

 

[TheGoodPastor]

Probable Lesbian, but might be bi: Wakana, Rika

Wakana's confirmed bi, her and Osako's whole falling out starts with Osako's insecurity over the fact she's not exclusively into women and might prefer men but not know because she's never been with one

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And I've always assumed Rika was bi considering Rin's initial reaction to her and Ria's separation was to try and convince Sensei to start dating her, would be a weird thing for Rin to jump straight to if she knew Rika wasn't into dudes. Plus you'd think she'd mention it to Sensei one of the many times she's deflecting his advances lol

 

[Detective Dc345]

So theres no straight one at all? Not even Ayane, Futaba or Maya?

Spoiler: From Selebus himself: The Lesbian Spectrum

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What's wrong with lesbians tho

Absolutely nothing
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[pineapple_123]

I think it's a generational thing. Growing up, porn magazines was about the best most gen X and Y guys could hope for, seeing naked ladies was hard, seeing two together was double the fun, and we were just happy to get our hands on them. Zoomers and Alpha's grew up with the internet in full working order, soon as they found an interest in boobs they were just there, in multitudes, they never developed the proper degree of gratitude for them cause they were simply too easy to see whenever they wanted and so two chicks was no more impressive. You take that fact and combine it with the far more common fear of getting cucked and it's easy to see how they transfer that insecurity onto lesbians, it's not two chicks having fun, it's cheating, it's getting cucked! How dare they! don't you know i am the amazing penis-haver, they should only be focused on me and my amazing penis and no other penises should exist!

Yeah, I mean, it is objectively cheating, right? Like, I enjoy the lesbian content and I think it's fun, but it's definitely not hard to image how someone feels that LIs having sex with other people is cheating? Nobody was complaining about the Wakana/Osako content. Or the Chika threesome with the MC involved. People can enjoy seeing girl-on-girl in context, but not enjoy when their girl has sex with other people. In the same way that I can enjoy watching straight porn but not enjoy watching my gf fuck another man. I honestly think it's weird that so many people in this thread are so baffled by this concept.

Nah, there is no way people consider this as cheating.

Did you miss the literal dozens of people complaining in this thread for weeks after the Ami/Maya scene? Lots of people claimed to be quitting the game, and Sel's income dropped by like 5%.

I think the biggest difference between us and the people who are bothered by the girl-on-girl content is that we don't project onto the MC. And to each their own I guess, but I feel like pretending to not understand how other people could possibly be upset by this or strawmanning their anger into homophobia or oversensitivity, ranges somewhere between willful ignorance to genuine stupidity.

 

[pineapple_123]

I swear to god every characters in this game r lesbians or sth. Could anybody list current straight girls for me pls.

Other people gave you lists, but they are probably not super right.
I would say Ayane, Futaba, Io, Touka, Yuki, Yumi, Karin, Tsubasa, and Yasu have never expressed or pursued sexual interest in another girl that I can recall.

However, I think it is important to note, the dev of this game seems to be going in the direction of making all the girls bi for some reason. Several girls have even end up in very bizarre out-of-character girl-on-girl scenes, presumably just because the dev wanted to throw that in. In the past, there were a lot of people who were very upset about the girl-on-girl scenes (not including the MC) and claimed the game added NTR several years into development.

Damn... Maybe I'm afraid of getting cucked by another girl after all. Not if both of them r inlove with me tho XD

If this is true, you might genuinely dislike scenes that are to come. I just wanted to warn you so you aren't blindsided as others seem to have been.

 

[ElaineZol]

Another retarded ass discussion over here.

Lesbians are hot and Gays are not, that's the way my dick reacts to it and I don't need to formulate any arguments to explain it.

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[Budoop]

Lesbians and gays are cool but they do not compare to my self insert dicking virtual waifus.

 

[LoveRedHairedGirl]

Did you miss the literal dozens of people complaining in this thread for weeks after the Ami/Maya scene? Lots of people claimed to be quitting the game, and Sel's income dropped by like 5%.

I usually skip the whining, yeah. But I do remember seeing it. But dozens of people? Nahhh.

I feel like pretending to not understand how other people could possibly be upset by this or strawmanning their anger into homophobia or oversensitivity, ranges somewhere between willful ignorance to genuine stupidity.

Or I'm just stupid ignorant homophobe who doesn't like the concept of lesbian girls.

Edit: Anyway, I'd like to stop talking about gay girls

 

[ElaineZol]

Yup

This conversation reminded me of an episode of just shoot me that i thought had the concept so beautifully exemplified that i had to hunt it down:

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That final act of the episode was poetry.

I was not expecting that, my dad and I used to watch that show and he recorded a lot of episodes on VHS, who knows what happened to those. I don't recall watching that episode back then but it is so fucking good.