Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.49.0] [Selebus]

[LoveRedHairedGirl]

Did you miss the literal dozens of people complaining in this thread for weeks after the Ami/Maya scene? Lots of people claimed to be quitting the game, and Sel's income dropped by like 5%.

I usually skip the whining, yeah. But I do remember seeing it. But dozens of people? Nahhh.

I feel like pretending to not understand how other people could possibly be upset by this or strawmanning their anger into homophobia or oversensitivity, ranges somewhere between willful ignorance to genuine stupidity.

Or I'm just stupid ignorant homophobe who doesn't like the concept of lesbian girls.

Edit: Anyway, I'd like to stop talking about gay girls

 

[ElaineZol]

Yup

This conversation reminded me of an episode of just shoot me that i thought had the concept so beautifully exemplified that i had to hunt it down:

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That final act of the episode was poetry.

I was not expecting that, my dad and I used to watch that show and he recorded a lot of episodes on VHS, who knows what happened to those. I don't recall watching that episode back then but it is so fucking good.

 

[hcguy]

People can enjoy seeing girl-on-girl in context, but not enjoy when their girl has sex with other people.

Which would be understandable if any of the girls in LiL were, you know, actual girlfriends, as opposed to computer code.

 

[ElaineZol]

Anyway good talk, it's always interesting to know how people see things differently than one another. And we still have a month and a half before the next update, fun times indeed.

 

[barglenarglezous]

Wow, thx alot for this. And uhh, I guess I'll take "Chika's needs aren't being met" as a bad thing gonna happen between Sensei and Chika because I'm only at chapter 2.

Oops. Uh. Sorry about the spoilers.

Enjoy the ride.

 

[Bingoogus]

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[Moonflare]

A lot has already been talked about concerning lesbians (bi women actually), but not enough on the main reason for almost every girl being bi: Selebus wants them to.

Spoiler: lesbian talk

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[DantaIian]

Where is that supposed chinami and yumi animations? I am missing something or what?

 

[dsaddadadssdaddsad]

Lesbians and gays are cool but they do not compare to my self insert dicking virtual waifus.

You're the first person I saw mention being a "good uncle" aka ignoring Ami. I honestly didn't even think that was an option but I was curious what other events or things it changes other than the nodokathon?

 

[Axismundi]

This is less of a secure argument than you think it is. With the choices made as far out as CH1 to CH4, it'd be really easy to separate the two paths. Any relevant suicide could be green path exclusive, or whatever path we eventually name Ami, Sara and Haruka. We have green path sacrificial sex, green path incest, green path wizard grooming, a suicide / attempt could fit in at this point.

I think a good example of how Sel handles split paths is summed up in good homie vs. bad homie, where the differences down the line have been extremely negligible, or in good uncle vs. bad uncle, where Ami isn't that different, but it decides if you get to plow your niece. Stuff like the Wizard route will probably only come to a head towards the end of the game, due to how drastically it will affect people's perception of Akira.

If Sara killed herself because of a missable scene, it would drastically shift the tone and events of the chapter. From that point onward, Sel would have to write basically two very distinct versions of chapter 4. This would make it virtually impossible to have a complete green path. Or Sel could go the no-changes path where everybody just goes along as if nothing happened, but if he killed off Sara for a chapter and only had like one or two events reference it, then it becomes a nothing burger, and what I would consider bad writing. The only way to make it so no one cares is if the characters become a lot more desensitized. And while characters like Sana and Chika are on their way to that point, I don't see the rest of the cast being that unaware of extreme changes or death.

I'm not saying Sara won't kill herself, but anything that could drastically alter the setting like that would have to be unmissable or take place at the end of the story.

You're the first person I saw mention being a "good uncle" aka ignoring Ami.

I've been a good uncle advocate since day one, and you're just going to ignore me like that, lol.

(Admittedly, I haven't been on this thread for a good long while.)

 

[Moonflare]

Where is that supposed chinami and yumi animations? I am missing something or what?

End of the post:

0.49 Event Triggers:

There are 20 events (4 are missable), 3 new picture messages and 2 new bonus (not canon) animations.

I have added when the events called for variations, but there is such a sheer amount of them that I'm ignoring the least important ones. You'll also miss most of Nodokathon part II if you are not on Ami/Sara/Haruka's path.

Before we begin, I'd also like to say that this is a very heavy update in terms of both wordcount and (potentially upsetting) content. So maybe postpone it a bit if your head's not in the right place.

Spoiler: Triggers

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Phone messages are from Chika, Haruka and Chinami. Mind that you need to input the cheat code for the bonus animations to get the Chinami message though (instructions further down).

Spoiler: Phone Messages

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The bonus animations require either a cheat or URM. Both are wizard content, so if that does not interest you, you don't have to bother. If you do, follow either instruction:

Spoiler: How to unlock

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Edit: I also remind everyone that Selebus is going on a break, and there will be no update in June. We'll be back on July 1.

You're the first person I saw mention being a "good uncle" aka ignoring Ami. I honestly didn't even think that was an option but I was curious what other events or things it changes other than the nodokathon?

You miss a lot of events and Akira does something sexual to Ami while confusing her for Maya at some point (just before the last reset of chapter 3). More recently it's just a lot of Ami bitching about how he still won't fuck her, even though he's fucking everyone else.

 

[thebadpastor]

You're the first person I saw mention being a "good uncle" aka ignoring Ami. I honestly didn't even think that was an option but I was curious what other events or things it changes other than the nodokathon?

I think you miss a total of 15 events by choosing the "good uncle" route, but that's off the top of my head.

Spoiler: some good uncle changes

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Honestly I quite like the good uncle route, I'm interested to see how/if it causes things to go sideways down the line.

 

[Budoop]

You're the first person I saw mention being a "good uncle" aka ignoring Ami. I honestly didn't even think that was an option but I was curious what other events or things it changes other than the nodokathon?

Yeah most people don't do it cause A: They wanna fuck Ami, B: Its not the canon way to play (and the game makes sure you know that), C: It's overral inconsequential, and D: Ami is the best she can do wrong pick her pick her.

That being said there are some really interesting things in it, and it tells some extra sides of the story, its why I knew one of the biggest spoilers in the game so fast (Ami being Akira's daughter, not neice.) and some other stuff, but I would only recommend doing it as a side playthrough.

All in all though you miss a lot of events, a lot of interactions, and are still forced to kinda fuck Ami no matter what although its not shown nor explicit, only aluded to as a fact before Maya gets swiped. It kinda breaks some of the story too, like Niki's involvement in trying to help Ami is a lot weaker because Ami cannot admit to doing anything with Sensei because nothing has happened.

But there's nice things too, as mentioned recently Sensei is MUCH better in some regards when you don't, he's fiercly protective of Ami in ways you don't see in the normal route; a nice change given how much of a coward he normally is.

Either way. Only as a side playthrough.
It's not the intended way to play.

 

[Squalicorax]

Noticed something I never really thought about on my latest playthrough
long rant of me theorizing about two lines in the early main event: "O World (In Our Final Moments)" (the grave one):

Spoiler: Spoiler

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[Moonflare]

Noticed something I never really thought about on my latest playthrough
long rant of me theorizing about two lines in the early main event: "O World (In Our Final Moments)" (the grave one):

Spoiler: Spoiler

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"What have they done to your body" is an interesting part of that quote insofar as the simulation is concerned.

That being said, some recent revelations (through the FanFest) reinforce the idea of the wish. Specifically with Maya being the one wishing (as it seems more or less clear that that's also what she was doing to reset the world each time).

The one thing that currently complicates that idea is Ami. Alt Ami has stated that Maya was not a part of the original resets/and or the original timeline (having difficulty even considering her a real person). Thus, making Ami the one that would have wished (if one of the girls). In fact, Ami has put forward the idea that she's the original "Maya" (in the sense of being the one with the role that Maya acquired later), and recently even called herself the "girl with the worst luck" (which is what Maya used to call herself).

Mind you, the Ami stuff is highly confusing at the moment (no actual revelation there yet). However, the one canon ending of the game that we have happens through Ami's death, with Akira actually growing older (and the world moving beyond the resets). Selebus confirms this (to some extent) on his commentary to "Times new roman", thus this could potentially make Ami the one making the wish, if through her death the loops suddenly stop (for at least ten years).

 

[Squalicorax]

"What have they done to your body" is an interesting part of that quote insofar as the simulation is concerned.

That being said, some recent revelations (through the FanFest) reinforce the idea of the wish. Specifically with Maya being the one wishing (as it seems more or less clear that that's also what she was doing to reset the world each time).

The one thing that currently complicates that idea is Ami. Alt Ami has stated that Maya was not a part of the original resets/and or the original timeline (having difficulty even considering her a real person). Thus, making Ami the one that would have wished (if one of the girls). In fact, Ami has put forward the idea that she's the original "Maya" (in the sense of being the one with the role that Maya acquired later), and recently even called herself the "girl with the worst luck" (which is what Maya used to call herself).

Mind you, the Ami stuff is highly confusing at the moment (no actual revelation there yet). However, the one canon ending of the game that we have happens through Ami's death, with Akira actually growing older (and the world moving beyond the resets). Selebus confirms this (to some extent) on his commentary to "Times new roman", thus this could potentially make Ami the one making the wish, if through her death the loops suddenly stop (for at least ten years).

Ooh, all of that sounds interesting. I'm not sure I understand the "Alt Ami" bit (I also saw someone refer to an "Alt Sekai") is that about fanfest stuff or does it have to do with the alternate timelimes from that one recent update?

The Ami stuff is peaks my interest in particular because my theory for the reason she goes berserk when other people talk about the loops is because she knows she's the key (or at least one of the keys) to ending the loops. Can you explain the "Canon Ending" thing you mentioned? Is that from an update through 46-49, fanfest stuff, or something older I've forgotten about?

 

[shmurfer]

Ooh, all of that sounds interesting. I'm not sure I understand the "Alt Ami" bit (I also saw someone refer to an "Alt Sekai") is that about fanfest stuff or does it have to do with the alternate timelimes from that one recent update?

The Ami stuff is peaks my interest in particular because my theory for the reason she goes berserk when other people talk about the loops is because she knows she's the key (or at least one of the keys) to ending the loops. Can you explain the "Canon Ending" thing you mentioned? Is that from an update through 46-49, fanfest stuff, or something older I've forgotten about?

I'm a little busy to doublecheck if Alt Ami is the Ami that stabbed Nodoka, but when I referenced Alt Sekai I was talking about the Sekai in that world. She's a bit too "I only exist for Ami's happiness" for me to say she's the real Sekai that's so deep Akira had trauma over losing her (Don't stab that girl now the others won't like you ha ha ha)

 

[thebadpastor]

Ooh, all of that sounds interesting. I'm not sure I understand the "Alt Ami" bit (I also saw someone refer to an "Alt Sekai") is that about fanfest stuff or does it have to do with the alternate timelimes from that one recent update?

The Ami stuff is peaks my interest in particular because my theory for the reason she goes berserk when other people talk about the loops is because she knows she's the key (or at least one of the keys) to ending the loops. Can you explain the "Canon Ending" thing you mentioned? Is that from an update through 46-49, fanfest stuff, or something older I've forgotten about?

One of the fanfest extras was a commentary on the reset event 'Times New Roman' (the one where Sensei is locked inside his house to protect him from the outside world) and Sel basically explains that the event is another timeline where the loops stopped at 'End of the World' (the scene prior where Maya and Ayane find Ami dead in the hall) and Sensei's (almost) completely isolated himself from the rest of the world to avoid being hurt and hurting others.

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[Squalicorax]

I'm a little busy to doublecheck if Alt Ami is the Ami that stabbed Nodoka, but when I referenced Alt Sekai I was talking about the Sekai in that world. She's a bit too "I only exist for Ami's happiness" for me to say she's the real Sekai that's so deep Akira had trauma over losing her (Don't stab that girl now the others won't like you ha ha ha)

Ah, thanks for the clarity. I do wonder about what you're saying about Sekai though. I think Akira's trauma over her has more to do with their complex abusive relationship than anything to do with how deep she was, and Alt Sekai felt in line with what I would expect out of Ghost Sekai.

One of the fanfest extras was a commentary on the reset event 'Times New Roman' (the one where Sensei is locked inside his house to protect him from the outside world) and Sel basically explains that the event is another timeline where the loops stopped at 'End of the World' (the scene prior where Maya and Ayane find Ami dead in the hall) and Sensei's (almost) completely isolated himself from the rest of the world to avoid being hurt and hurting others.

Fuck now I have to actually read the Fanfest stuff because that's my favorite reset by far. I was contemplating skipping it but now I know that this is a thing I'm locked in, unfortunately.
Edit: WAIT A FUCKING MINUTE. I just remembered I have an old post on this thread where I speculated all the weirdness of that reset was us actually getting glimpses of other timelines and people gave the canned "it's all in Akira's head" excuse (iirc, sorry if I'm slandering you, whoever you were) and I FUCKING KNEW IT. Get owned the lot of you. First I was right about Ami then I was right about that reset I cannot stop winning oorah.

 

[fasoaga]

I'm a little busy to doublecheck if Alt Ami is the Ami that stabbed Nodoka, but when I referenced Alt Sekai I was talking about the Sekai in that world. She's a bit too "I only exist for Ami's happiness" for me to say she's the real Sekai that's so deep Akira had trauma over losing her (Don't stab that girl now the others won't like you ha ha ha)

I agree on Alt Sekai. I am too lazy to find it but aramaug has a post about how Ami rapes Maya is very similar to how Sekai rapes Tsuneyo. Using similar words etc which totally convinces me Sekai can control Ami just like she controls Kaori.

But there is something scary about it.

We know when Sekai takes control of Kaori by the eyes.
We don't know When she takes control of Ami because they have the SAME EYES.