Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.49.0] [Selebus]

[shmurfer]

Ah, thanks for the clarity. I do wonder about what you're saying about Sekai though. I think Akira's trauma over her has more to do with their complex abusive relationship than anything to do with how deep she was, and Alt Sekai felt in line with what I would expect out of Ghost Sekai.

It's more that her reaction to Ami stabbing Nodoka makes that Sekai seem too stupid to be real.

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They even lampshade that fact with the first part of "God of Light" being written and performed like a sitcom complete with canned laughter

To me that's what Ami thinks the ideal Sekai would be, in a setting where she could wish for her ideal Sekai.

Yeah, mine too. Lacklustre though fanfest was it's still worth grabbing for the two commentaries in my opinion. Personally I enjoyed Forever Young too lol

This is one of the best things to have come out of fanfest

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[Squalicorax]

It's more that her reaction to Ami stabbing Nodoka makes that Sekai seem too stupid to be real.

Maybe, but I honestly think living, main timeline Sekai was also kind of reckless in a dumb way. I get the sense she thought she could get away with anything considering the whole Akira situation and the fact she was publicly writing about it*. I could totally see this being an alternate timeline where Ami wished for an idealized world with Sekai though, so I'm not gonna totally discount this either.

(*Also ties into my more out there theory that maybe she could actually get away with so much stupid, obvious stuff for a reason, I think she probably has ties to the Tsukiokas and the Yasu religion that used to exist mentioned by Touka. Specifically because of the Tsukioka sakura tree that I suspect is both very relevant (and maybe tied to the whole wishing well business? Interestingly there's also a surprisngly early bit hinting at the wishing well immediately after the part I was talking about with Akira's suicide, considering the whole context of that event it feels super relevant) and also tied into Sekai and her Sakura association, but all of that is besides the point that I think Sekai actually was just that dumb, or at least reckless)

 

[Moonflare]

Edit: WAIT A FUCKING MINUTE. I just remembered I have an old post on this thread where I speculated all the weirdness of that reset was us actually getting glimpses of other timelines and people gave the canned "it's all in Akira's head" excuse (iirc, sorry if I'm slandering you, whoever you were) and I FUCKING KNEW IT. Get owned the lot of you. First I was right about Ami then I was right about that reset I cannot stop winning oorah.

I went back to the conversation and that wasn't exactly what you said (plus you mostly talked about "Paper city", not "Times new roman"). Granted, you said a lot of stuff. Nor did DeSkel say that it was all in Akira's head either. Regardless, Selebus' explanation goes more in the way of "it's all in Akira's head" than "it's all happening in a different timeline" (although it is a mix of the two).

If you watch the commentary to "Il cervo", it becomes very clear (to a divisive degree) that a bunch of stuff is just Selebus throwing whatever metaphors he wants at a single moment and not caring to say they're metaphors. I mean, "Il cervo" never happened, and I've yet to find a single person that got out of that event with this conclusion. To me is just a mix of bad writing and an experiment, leaning more towards bad writing imo.

"Times new roman" is less divisive because, since it's a reset, we already expect that Akira is tripping. But parts of Ami throughout the house is in his head, porn videos of people he knows is in his head, what's inside the drawers (including living things) is in his head. Most of "Times new roman" isn't happening at all. The part that is are small things: the picture of Niki, Sana visiting him, Yasu talking to him on the phone, him becoming deranged and blaming himself because of Ami's death - those are all real.

So, really, in this ending, Akira went insane and locked himself inside the house for a decade. It also tells us that most of the shit he sees isn't real. There is no supernatural or hidden meaning to most (and possibly any) of it, he just has mental problems and projects his traumas into visual imagery. Obviously that is the case for this one event, we can at most speculate for the rest.

 

[Squalicorax]

plus you mostly talked about "Paper city", not "Times new roman"

Fair, though for clarity with 'that reset' I mean more all the events tied to it, not just Time New Roman, including paper city and whatever the Ayane fake reset event is called.

It also tells us that most of the shit he sees isn't real. There is no supernatural or hidden meaning to most (and possibly any) of it, he just has mental problems and projects his traumas into visual imagery.

I haven't read the fanfest commentaries yet obviously, so maybe I'll change my tune, but for now I'll say I disagree with this pretty vehemently. Hallucinations and mental problems are explicitly tied to the supernatural throughout the entire game. Ghost Sekai, who is most obviously a product of Akira projecting "his traumas into visual imagery" is shown to be able to operate independently of him and have material effects on the world, most notably of course lifting up one of the Angel dolls in front of Yasu. Yasu can't see her, but she sees the doll floating. I think if things were normal in Kumon-Mi you could say this, but I think the supernatural elements of Kumon-Mi literally manifest from people's trauma, from the timeloop to the angels and gods, all of it. Yeah, Akira hallucinates, and probably would without any supernatural influence but he also exists in a supernatural situation that preys on his trauma and mental illness. The supernatural isn't causing people's hallucinations, I think it's the opposite, people's hallucinations are causing the supernatural because the lines between perception and reality are being blurred and reality is to a degree subjective in Kumon-Mi. I also think saying they have no meaning is throwing the baby out with the bathwater way too early, especially considering a lot of them do have clear and obvious meanings, though I will admit a lot seems like random bullshit I can't decipher. There's also stuff that I'm pretty sure is symbolism but I haven't persoanlly figured out (the squid stuff) (in my reading, of course, not trying to state that all as objective fact)

 

[fdsasdf_p]

What are you guys’ thoughts on Ami Prime referring to herself as “another regular teenager with the worst luck in the world”?

This of course is a throwback to Maya Prime, and subtly insinuating how Ami Prime fares in the reset business (self-proclaimed). However, this choice of words rings a different bell. How is Ami Prime able to say something so accurately mirroring Maya Prime’s catchphrase? During our journey, we've seen a few moments in which Maya Prime said that about herself, but it was done when the elephant in the room was about resets and/or her forbidden love for Sensei, and mostly when the two were alone (if you are willing to overlook what happened by the end of Stray Cat that is. This is the only moment I remembered though). Assuming Maya Prime never talked about being the girl with the worst luck in the world around her friends during inapplicable moments 24/7 before our journey began, how would Ami Prime know Maya Prime's iconic line?

This little doubt would easily go to a dead end if this is a mere coincidence, an "independent invention" situation, a case in where Ami Prime “simply knows shit" either because she at some point somehow was a trans-dimensional spectator or because Selly wasn’t being very meticulous in wording, or if my prior assumption is wrong and Maya Prime was in fact a blabber mouth. But, if none of the above is true and Ami Prime did learn this catchphrase via "normal means", this could potentially imply that Ami Prime learned that directly from Maya Prime (another way around also works too), then expanding to ideas like Ami Prime once operated at the same time as Maya Prime, maybe together like sisters in arms, or maybe against each other like rivals, tackling the same apocalypse and the same forbidden love affairs. Whatever the case is, a secret past where Maya Prime and Ami Prime doing more than just acknowledging each other's existence has always felt tangible, and the feeling gets stronger each time Ami Prime cites something supposedly only Maya Prime, Sensei, and us viewers fully understand.

 

[SlidingSubject]

Ghost Sekai, who is most obviously a product of Akira projecting "his traumas into visual imagery" is shown to be able to operate independently of him and have material effects on the world, most notably of course lifting up one of the Angel dolls in front of Yasu.

All this real or not real discussion reminds me of Umineko. The fact that it happened to Yasu of all people doesn't help.
If you wanna go into that rabbit hole, are the flashbacks of the past real? Or just something to give depth to the members of the class?

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people's hallucinations are causing the supernatural because the lines between perception and reality are being blurred and reality is to a degree subjective in Kumon-Mi

At some point you have to ask yourself, why is reality subjective? Is it just a prop, taken for granted and left as is, or is it a part of the setting, one which will come into play at some point?

if none of the above is true and Ami Prime did learn this catchphrase via "normal means", this could potentially imply that Ami Prime learned that directly from Maya Prime (another way around also works too), then expanding to ideas like Ami Prime once operated at the same time as Maya Prime

I'd go with this, but mostly that Maya didn't want to talk about the resets with Ami because she broke down under the weight of remembrance and that got the world reset (e.g. Bluejay, it WAS one, even if it was just a light case of the world moving backwards instead of forwards). But, maybe enough time passed, or maybe it was because Maya was the one talking, when she got infodumped by Makoto and Ayane, she didn't break (at least immediately). She managed to remember everything, or maybe just enough to pretend in front of a confused Maya and an even more confused Sensei.

 

[LoveRedHairedGirl]

What are you guys’ thoughts on Ami Prime referring to herself as “another regular teenager with the worst luck in the world”?
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This of course is a throwback to Maya Prime, and subtly insinuating how Ami Prime fares in the reset business (self-proclaimed). However, this choice of words rings a different bell. How is Ami Prime able to say something so accurately mirroring Maya Prime’s catchphrase? During our journey, we've seen a few moments in which Maya Prime said that about herself, but it was done when the elephant in the room was about resets and/or her forbidden love for Sensei, and mostly when the two were alone (if you are willing to overlook what happened by the end of Stray Cat that is. This is the only moment I remembered though). Assuming Maya Prime never talked about being the girl with the worst luck in the world around her friends during inapplicable moments 24/7 before our journey began, how would Ami Prime know Maya Prime's iconic line?

This little doubt would easily go to a dead end if this is a mere coincidence, an "independent invention" situation, a case in where Ami Prime “simply knows shit" either because she at some point somehow was a trans-dimensional spectator or because Selly wasn’t being very meticulous in wording, or if my prior assumption is wrong and Maya Prime was in fact a blabber mouth. But, if none of the above is true and Ami Prime did learn this catchphrase via "normal means", this could potentially imply that Ami Prime learned that directly from Maya Prime (another way around also works too), then expanding to ideas like Ami Prime once operated at the same time as Maya Prime, maybe together like sisters in arms, or maybe against each other like rivals, tackling the same apocalypse and the same forbidden love affairs. Whatever the case is, a secret past where Maya Prime and Ami Prime doing more than just acknowledging each other's existence has always felt tangible, and the feeling gets stronger each time Ami Prime cites something supposedly only Maya Prime, Sensei, and us viewers fully understand.

What if Ami Prime started using this phrase? Then Maya Prime took the phrase, since she is a nerd and found it too cool to not use it.

 

[shmurfer]

What are you guys’ thoughts on Ami Prime referring to herself as “another regular teenager with the worst luck in the world”?

I don't have any hard ideas, but there's been a bunch of times both have been shown to be equivalent to each other. Copying each other's outfit, copying each other, appearing in events in each other's place.


There's also an instance of Ami creating a Maya for Sensei to make him love Ami more, but she doesn't do that and instead gets attacked by Ami.

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[SlidingSubject]

There's also an instance of Ami creating a Maya for Sensei to make him love Ami more, but she doesn't do that and instead gets attacked by Ami.

Don't remember which Happy Event was, but Ami told you to not believe in the Amis that your mind shows you.

 

[DeSkel15]

What are you guys’ thoughts on Ami Prime referring to herself as “another regular teenager with the worst luck in the world”?
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This of course is a throwback to Maya Prime, and subtly insinuating how Ami Prime fares in the reset business (self-proclaimed). However, this choice of words rings a different bell. How is Ami Prime able to say something so accurately mirroring Maya Prime’s catchphrase? During our journey, we've seen a few moments in which Maya Prime said that about herself, but it was done when the elephant in the room was about resets and/or her forbidden love for Sensei, and mostly when the two were alone (if you are willing to overlook what happened by the end of Stray Cat that is. This is the only moment I remembered though). Assuming Maya Prime never talked about being the girl with the worst luck in the world around her friends during inapplicable moments 24/7 before our journey began, how would Ami Prime know Maya Prime's iconic line?

This little doubt would easily go to a dead end if this is a mere coincidence, an "independent invention" situation, a case in where Ami Prime “simply knows shit" either because she at some point somehow was a trans-dimensional spectator or because Selly wasn’t being very meticulous in wording, or if my prior assumption is wrong and Maya Prime was in fact a blabber mouth. But, if none of the above is true and Ami Prime did learn this catchphrase via "normal means", this could potentially imply that Ami Prime learned that directly from Maya Prime (another way around also works too), then expanding to ideas like Ami Prime once operated at the same time as Maya Prime, maybe together like sisters in arms, or maybe against each other like rivals, tackling the same apocalypse and the same forbidden love affairs. Whatever the case is, a secret past where Maya Prime and Ami Prime doing more than just acknowledging each other's existence has always felt tangible, and the feeling gets stronger each time Ami Prime cites something supposedly only Maya Prime, Sensei, and us viewers fully understand.

Ami Prime has potentially known many Maya Primes:

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And she's likely known them intimately:

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Along with the other girls, probably, based off an Alt Maya Prime:

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So, Ami Prime might know Maya and Maya Prime better than anyone, including Maya Prime herself.

Ami Prime also thinks that Maya was more or less pretending to be her:

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Which still hasn't been explained, but could suggest that Maya Prime was copying Ami (or at least someone was). Hard to say what's really going on there.

Edit: I also feel compelled to note that Sekai could just be whispering things to say in Ami's ear:

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[shmurfer]

And because I keep being brought back to the scene, I'm just gonna post this quick.

Earlier in the year I posted about a image that was never talked about that was hidden inside a random beach event with Io, Uta and Yasu. I didn't have the setup I have now to check all of the game code. Besides one use in Lifejacket which was used alongside lots of other "Why does it have to hurt so much" which probably references the obvious "please stop playing this game, it's only going to get worse" text.

It's spammed a bunch in the event where Maya is invisible and on the bed, alongside the text where the green scarf girl told him she loved him and got fingered on christmas (Which I believe a dev commentary confirmed that to be Maya) and the "I love you so much" scribbled over message.

It implies the hidden message is also from Maya's perspective. Whether that leads to something important, I don't know yet.

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[LessonsInDissonance]

Why don't you entertain us then?

Fine

Spoiler: Family Sensei, Episode 1

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[Axismundi]

Have we come to a conclusion about the hair ornament Imani uses yet? She's one of my favorite characters, but the fact that it's the same type as the one Sekai uses is a bit too strange to be coincidental. (Or I'm just extremely paranoid.)

 

[Hungnoxu]

Will agreeing this gonna affect things so badly that I better reject her?

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[shmurfer]

Will agreeing this gonna affect things so badly that I better reject her?

Guide mod should be telling you to fuck her. You will miss events otherwise.

You need to decide what you want out of the game. There's green path exclusive pain on the way, but there's also a lot of evidence that they will come out of the pain better for it, and some of the best moments of the game are behind the same decisions that lead to a bunch of misery.

You should also put that image behind a spoiler

 

[thrashpoint]

Can anyone tell me what "Care Packages" and "KK Cards" are?

 

[shmurfer]

Can anyone tell me what "Care Packages" and "KK Cards" are?

Care packages are side content Sel made to promote having an active subscription, and make a bit of extra money. They range from character design sheets, scene commentaries, profile images, title screens, bonus animations, phone photos, and some assorted random extras.

They also have save wiping DRM and I wouldn't recommend loading them into your game if you couldn't figure out their contents without asking. You shouldn't really look at them until you've caught up to the current update anyway, and if you have I'd just look at the contents of their files outside of the game.

KK cards are Koikatsu Character Cards. You can play with the characters of the game in the same program that's used to make the images for LiL. But again, if you couldn't figure it out already, that's an entire odyssey to get working.

 

[ElaineZol]

Please put images in spoilers, especially large ones.

My bad, fixed it now haha

 

[combige]

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goddamnit, right in kokoro x_x

 

[ElaineZol]

Hi everyone,

Would anyone happen to have a save file that starts around the beginning of Chapter 4?

Lost my progress and would really appreciate not having to replay everything up to that point.

Thanks in advance!

Best way is to use the search bar, there are a lot of save files that have been shared before and you are very likely to find one.