Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.49.0] [Selebus]

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jclark1337 said:
In short: yes he trolls and contradicts himself all the time. He has a penchant for platforming and offering ridiculous theories in order to throw people off and obfuscate whether or not we are supposed to believe his words.

Also, while I totally agree that explicitly confirming Sensei did kill himself in the beginning scene of the game could potentially weaken the narrative meaning of the story as a whole, the idea itself isnt inherently problematic within the framework of the story and including elements we've discovered up until now. Just because Sensei may have successfully committed suicide before the start of the story doesn't mean that is the beginning thread and that nothing was fucked before that.]
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I'm in rough agreement with you overall, but it's precisely how the suicide relates to other overarching ideas/theories/possible out of Kumon-Mi that inspired my hesitation to readily accept it. It kinda pigeon holes certian less abstract questions or unclear developments into being a certain way to allow for a suicide start to not only make sense, but also be impactful / "good writing." Putting it another way, if the suicide start is ultimately what we're working with, coming to that revelation in text due to several other less major or less individually impactful smaller mysteries being solved/revealed in the text would almost work really well. Resolving the metaphysical state of the setting or any open ended idea from the bottom up instead of top down is always more impactful, allows for the themes and character implications to resonate more, and this idea of a suicide start being acknowledged before confirmafion for all the pieces would that make it work goes directly against that. Gives a a sort of trickle down effect for theory crafting / thematic signifigance, very unsatisfying.
 
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flacc2pit said:
I'm in rough agreement with you overall, but it's precisely how the suicide relates to other overarching ideas/theories/possible out of Kumon-Mi that inspired my hesitation to readily accept it. It kinda pigeon holes certian less abstract questions or unclear developments into being a certain way to allow for a suicide start to not only make sense, but also be impactful / "good writing." Putting it another way, if the suicide start is ultimately what we're working with, coming to that revelation in text due to several other less major or less individually impactful smaller mysteries being solved/revealed in the text would almost work really well. Resolving the metaphysical state of the setting or any open ended idea from the bottom up instead of top down is always more impactful, allows for the themes and character implications to resonate more, and this idea of a suicide start being acknowledged before confirmafion for all the pieces would that make it work goes directly against that. Gives a a sort of trickle down effect for theory crafting / thematic signifigance, very unsatisfying.
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Fair points, but I dare to say that the story works really well using the implied suicide as a baseline and giving us a solid starting point into Sensei's psyche.
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fasoaga said:
I agree on Alt Sekai. I am too lazy to find it but aramaug has a post about how Ami rapes Maya is very similar to how Sekai rapes Tsuneyo. Using similar words etc which totally convinces me Sekai can control Ami just like she controls Kaori.

But there is something scary about it.

We know when Sekai takes control of Kaori by the eyes.
We don't know When she takes control of Ami because they have the SAME EYES.
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Think, are there really any difference between Ami and Sekai? I'm talking about the real Ami (as the narrator) and not-kyoto (as Sekai in there was clearly another victim of gods instead of the monster and god-like figure 0we had after) Sekai here. Even if we ignore all the callbacks between Ami and Sekai in Right As Rain as Aramaug has previously showed. They are still but dedicants and live only for Akira, like tools.
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And there are quite stark similarities between Sekai and Maya, just take a look at this statement:
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Oh, what about I give you my favourite sentence?
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Think, are there really any difference between Ami and Sekai? I'm talking about the real Ami (as the narrator) and not-kyoto (as Sekai in there was clearly another victim of gods instead of the monster and god-like figure 0we had after) Sekai here. Even if we ignore all the callbacks between Ami and Sekai in Right As Rain as Aramaug has previously showed. They are still but dedicants and live only for Akira, like tools.
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And there are quite stark similarities between Sekai and Maya, just take a look at this statement:
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Oh, what about I give you my favourite sentence?
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Only fundemental problem i have with your argument is... All the Sekai scenes you shared from the same event chain. And i don't believe she is Sekai.

Similar to what other people said here, Sekai in these events is weird. I mean she is way too casual and lenient with Ami even after Nodoka scene. Instead of a real character, she is made up by memories and thoughts about what a perfect mother would be in Ami's mind.

Whole event chain is what Ami thinks a perfect world:
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Or i just convinced myself so hard i can't see any other way. If so, i'm ready to wear one of the dunce hats that Bingoogus distributes.
 
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thebadpastor said:
Didn't Maya get that phrase from Sensei?
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If she did, it wasn't ingame. It currently appears in the game 5 times, first time was Maya's second box delivery (Close your eyes), then the second Maya use in the picture. The time Tsubasa uses it which is definitely a chapter 2 event because bonus is here in the script. Then Sensei uses it in chapter 4 just before he spends 2 weeks inside the house with Ami before leaving to the school. Then the time Ami Prime uses it in the chapter 4 halloween reset.

fasoaga said:
Except Akira and Ayane had never had sex. WHY
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The ami redemption is gonna have to be hella tragic, she's such a dick right now.
 
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fasoaga said:
Only fundemental problem i have with your argument is... All the Sekai scenes you shared from the same event chain. And i don't believe she is Sekai.

Similar to what other people said here, Sekai in these events is weird. I mean she is way too casual and lenient with Ami even after Nodoka scene. Instead of a real character, she is made up by memories and thoughts about what a perfect mother would be in Ami's mind.

Whole event chain is what Ami thinks a perfect world:
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Or i just convinced myself so hard i can't see any other way. If so, i'm ready to wear one of the dunce hats that Bingoogus distributes.
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Not sure if I've mentioned this before, but that may not actually be Ami's perfect world. It may be Sensei's:
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DeSkel15 said:
Not sure if I've mentioned this before, but that may not actually be Ami's perfect world. It may be Sensei's:
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Personally, there's too many dick moves ignoring Ayane and Maya for it to be Sensei's perfect world. Even in the screenshots you have, he talks about it like he's resigning himself to be happy. Sensei's perfect world is probably closer to only having Maya or someone in her spot who won't leave him, and no one else expecting sex from him, though he's been changing as he's started acknowledging he loves some of the girls. (Even yesterday I was seeing an event where he references this fact, and there's an amifingered check which leaves Ami out of the list)

Remember Ami wants Sensei to be happy, and can understand sex makes him happy in the never healing sense of the word. She'd be willing to make a similar choice to Chika, sex with other people as long as he loves her the most, and she got rid of the competition that would make him happier than Ami (So Maya, Ayane and the Nayakamas)

And just from the screenshots you've posted, Sekai is ready to cheer for him fucking Ami, like the big climax to a plan coming together. It's not like she's still staying abstinent. If anything, it's a indictment against the previous Sensei they had who had to have been underperforming in some manner if they were ready to abandon him within like 10 minutes of realising he's been replaced with someone better.
 
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SlidingSubject said:
Oh, almost forgot about the 4th reset chain. Being Ayane truly is suffering. I wonder if, in a non-existent time, she'd have ever gotten over him.
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I'm not sure. Ayane was definitely obsessed with him:
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I don't recall Ayane in the post Ami's death timeline, though. Maybe she moved on.
 
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shmurfer said:
I was in another thread being shown a link and got a hell of a flashbang with the music.
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I don't wanna download this game through Steam. I have too many normies-friends.
And we don't have a thread with this game, I guess, since the search function doesn't work :(
 
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shmurfer said:
I was in another thread being shown a link and got a hell of a flashbang with the music.
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I love how ironic it is that Incest and NTR are so popular in Japan, but both are very illegal. Especially NTR.
 
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I need someone to analyze Touka for me. What does she mean by this? And like, the last time I saw her getting flustered over what Sensei said was way back when he first met her so I just assume that she doesnt feel anything with him. But I barely even understand what shes been thinking recently. And why an apartment as a gift tho?
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