Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.49.0] [Selebus]

[barglenarglezous]

I suspect the reason Maya is so insistent that pregnancy is the key to entering the time loop is that she believes SHE got into the time loop that way.

Note: If she entered the loop pregnant, then every reset would return her to the exact point of the pregnancy she entered it in, similar to how pregnant Ayane became not-pregnant Ayane after the reset.

This doesn't invalidate your theory -- and there's evidence to support that this is, in fact, the case. The volume of food she eats, for example. The recurring egg theme and the constant references to baby birds definitely indicates that pregnancy is a major theme.

But she does explicitly state that she is not pregnant in one event -- though she could easily be lying to avoid triggering Sensei.

 

[AgumenticR]

God I forgot how ridiculous this game can be for the fucking reset events. I swear to progress naturally you have to take more notes than I took in medical school. Does anyone actually find this kind of thing enjoyable?

Well, yes and no. I like the puzzles idea in general, but I am not a big fan of the ones that refer to the lines scattered in the updates released months ago - my favourite puzzle in Life of Prizes was the chili one, for example, which was very in style of old P&C games. On the other hand, when I was replaying the game after the revamp, I actually did notice the answers to all the puzzles I forgot, like the Book of Infinite Pages one, and solving it all honestly felt pretty good. But still, less of that, more of chili.

 

[van321]

I have another theory about that, I suspect Maya is Sensei's daughter, in the christmas event iirc or someother, there was a flash image with a girl that looked like Maya, on top of Sensei,but the eyes were somewhat different, there is also a lot of mystery surrounding Maya's past, even her beign part of their life for years nobody knows of her parents.

What is unclear to me is there appears to be an alternate universe with an older Maya (she pops up when Sensei's mind goes haywire a bunch of times as well; this is who I think you are referring to as potentially Maya's mother, but I think it is older Maya) and an older Noriko (she only pops up once), the one which Maya got sent back to and "wanted to be sent back" to the time loop.

It raises the question... was Sensei actually a tutor of a bunch of middle school kids who taught them nihilist philosophy, or... was he a tutor of college-aged or graduate school-aged students? Do characters other than Maya, Noriko and Sensei exist in that alternate universe of college tutor Sensei? Does Noriko's pop star sister even exist? Is that the REAL universe in which Sensei killed himself? Is Kumon-mi a kind of Purgatory that Sensei and Maya are caught in for their sins?

There appears to be no discernable reason for Maya's scathing hatred for Noriko based on what is known in the Kumon-mi timeline, though information is still incomplete.

 

[barglenarglezous]

LOL, I see Selebus is still a little salty about it.

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[Glewey15]

I doubt the active discord users are representative of the backers as a whole. Remember, he censors and bans people who don't agree with the mindset. So of course the perception is near 100% of the people there buy into the cult.

Even now, his subscribestar is a few thousand away from the peak patreon numbers. And I don't think we know the dollar amount the subscribestar was earning prior to the patreon crackdown, so the reality is even less.

The discord is 100% a cult. when I used to play (im here to see if the game is worth picking up again) I tried to go into the discord to ask for puzzle answers they got very offended. they pressed me so hard to figure out why i didnt really want to read the secret events (too edgy for me, I just want to learn about the characters and fuck them). a guy even said that the game was better than therapy for him. I wouldnt be suprised if the dev had an ego, there are a lot of people in that discord who like the game a little too much.

tbh though if your game has a lot of depression themes and you have characters that are suspiciously aged, its guaranteed a portion of your audience will probably not be ok in the head.

 

[worthlesspeon]

The discord is 100% a cult. when I used to play (im here to see if the game is worth picking up again) I tried to go into the discord to ask for puzzle answers they got very offended. they pressed me so hard to figure out why i didnt really want to read the secret events (too edgy for me, I just want to learn about the characters and fuck them). a guy even said that the game was better than therapy for him. I wouldnt be suprised if the dev had an ego, there are a lot of people in that discord who like the game a little too much.

tbh though if your game has a lot of depression themes and you have characters that are suspiciously aged, its guaranteed a portion of your audience will probably not be ok in the head.

Ha that reminds me when I mentioned something to the effect of "I generally play games to escape from the shit I have to deal with in real life, last thing I want to do is study it" and one of those guys responded seemingly bewildered and said something about how "LiL is more real than real life" not fathoming that even a game as dark as this can be an escape. Not like the game out during a global pandemic or something like that. Fuck me if I wanted to decompress from all the death I saw on a daily basis.

Like I like the mystery aspect and I even can deal with some of the edgy shit... but good god the fanbase and dev can be insufferable

 

[barglenarglezous]

Ha that reminds me when I mentioned something to the effect of "I generally play games to escape from the shit I have to deal with in real life, last thing I want to do is study it" and one of those guys responded seemingly bewildered and said something about how "LiL is more real than real life" not fathoming that even a game as dark as this can be an escape. Not like the game out during a global pandemic or something like that. Fuck me if I wanted to decompress from all the death I saw on a daily basis.

Like I like the mystery aspect and I even can deal with some of the edgy shit... but good god the fanbase and dev can be insufferable

...and this is why I ignore the chat channels and only stick around for the Announcements and Progress updates.

 

[jasonmoritz]

Finally finished the game up to present. Once you get past the cringe edgelord nihilism, the characters are absolutely wonderful.

S Tier: Maya, Rin, Yumi
A Tier: Ayane, Kirin, Noriko, Sana
B Tier: Ami, Chika, Io, Makoto, Miku
C Tier: Futuba, Molly, Nodoka, Touka, Tsuneyo, Uta
D Tier: Otoha, Yasu

Agreed on S tier. I have Molly higher up on my list, though, since I could relate to her better than the other characters.

 

[EscapeEvade]

So... at the risk of getting lambasted a bit here...

I haven't played this in several updates (I think 0.22?). I recall that there has been some turmoil with I think Steam releases, Patreon, and sex content. I thought it was something like a Part I release had no sex content but a Part II release did.

Is that still the case? Am I totally wrong in the first place?

Also sounds like perusing the last few pages this is getting increasingly complicated. Not that it wasn't in the first place, but that the story is stepping up the complexity big-time?

 

[barglenarglezous]

So... at the risk of getting lambasted a bit here...

I haven't played this in several updates (I think 0.22?). I recall that there has been some turmoil with I think Steam releases, Patreon, and sex content. I thought it was something like a Part I release had no sex content but a Part II release did.

Is that still the case? Am I totally wrong in the first place?

Also sounds like perusing the last few pages this is getting increasingly complicated. Not that it wasn't in the first place, but that the story is stepping up the complexity big-time?

There was briefly a time where there were two versions of the game.

Legends of the Huggy Boy, which had no sex but a lot of hugs
Lessons in Love, the game it's always been

There was a patch you could download to turn Huggy Boy into Lessons in Love, but Huggy Boy was solely made to appease Patreon.

Patreon deleted the page anyway, and Selebus promptly stopped supporting Huggy Boy.

HOWEVER, the compressed and Android versions linked on the first page are missing two folders that result in the game looking and behaving like Huggy Boy even though Huggy Boy hasn't been updated in several updates, so if you're trying to get caught up for more than one update, you want to do a full-size download.

While all that was going on Selebus also reworked the first quarter or so of the game (Chapter 1 up to the beach event), so it more closely matches the tone of the rest of the game now. This has not been a popular change -- where the original version eased you into the denpa stuff, the new version drops you right into it. But people going through it to see what's in it are finding new things and between that and the new updates, the theory gears are turning a bit more than usual.

 

[iebb03]

there appears to be an alternate universe with an older Maya

I haven't seen an older maya, but maybe I've missed it. In which events she appears? There's a younger maya that flashes in some events, and appears during the recent reset. The only other one I can think of is a dark-haired, green-eyed character with a ponytail that appears in Good Boy but I think that's just a younger Sara

 

[EscapeEvade]

There was briefly a time where there were two versions of the game.

Legends of the Huggy Boy, which had no sex but a lot of hugs
Lessons in Love, the game it's always been

There was a patch you could download to turn Huggy Boy into Lessons in Love, but Huggy Boy was solely made to appease Patreon.

Patreon deleted the page anyway, and Selebus promptly stopped supporting Huggy Boy.

HOWEVER, the compressed and Android versions linked on the first page are missing two folders that result in the game looking and behaving like Huggy Boy even though Huggy Boy hasn't been updated in several updates, so if you're trying to get caught up for more than one update, you want to do a full-size download.

While all that was going on Selebus also reworked the first quarter or so of the game (Chapter 1 up to the beach event), so it more closely matches the tone of the rest of the game now. This has not been a popular change -- where the original version eased you into the denpa stuff, the new version drops you right into it. But people going through it to see what's in it are finding new things and between that and the new updates, the theory gears are turning a bit more than usual.

Thanks for the info. Unfortunate about the compressed part since the game is so big without that.

 

[Vidaura]

Finally finished the game up to present. Once you get past the cringe edgelord nihilism, the characters are absolutely wonderful.

S Tier: Maya, Rin, Yumi
A Tier: Ayane, Kirin, Noriko, Sana
B Tier: Ami, Chika, Io, Makoto, Miku
C Tier: Futuba, Molly, Nodoka, Touka, Tsuneyo, Uta
D Tier: Otoha, Yasu

It's interesting how varied people's opinion of the characters are. I suppose that means Selebus is good at making them each developed enough that it largely comes down to our own inclinations rather than some clearly having less effort put in.

I myself would rank them at:

S: Makoto, Ayane, Futaba
A: Yumi, Chika, Noriko, Ami
B: Maya, Rin, Molly, Tsuneyo
C: Sana, Otoha, Uta, Touka, Miku
D: Io, Yasu, Nodoka
F: Kirin

 

[PrimeGuy]

I honestly feel like if I were to make one of these tier lists, the top tiers would be crowded, and there'd be no one under B. I also have a hard time choosing what to eat at a restaurant, though.

 

[Boomboxthegreat]

Time to make people hate me, but here is my tierlist:
Marry me: No explanation needed
I love you: Let's not jump to marriage just yet, take me on some dates first
I like you: We're friends, but benefits are welcome if you want
Whatever: We don't really talk all that much, but you're cool, also if you want to fuck, you know where to find me
Eugh: I will never associate with you, but keep on keeping on I guess
Absolutely not: Die in a fire/Don't speak to me, Nodoka and Kirin, Yasu and Haruka respectively
Don't lewd the lolis: I could go into an in depth explanation on my opinions on this, but I'll just keep it at not my thing

 

[Glewey15]

is there sex scenes with all the original girls yet?

 

[worthlesspeon]

is there sex scenes with all the original girls yet?

No where close

 

[Glewey15]

No where close

oof

 

[iebb03]

oof

Not all of them are sex scenes, but there's at least one H scene for Yumi, Chika, Ayane, Makoto, Miku, Futaba, Ami and Maya. That's 8/10 of the original girls. Not all of them are consensual.

 

[Jimbolance]

is there sex scenes with all the original girls yet?

If you mean strictly "P in V" sex scenes then it's 4/10, if you mean any sort of H scene at all it's 8/10