Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.53.0] [Selebus]

[Pedro4545454]

One question I saw people talking about Selly being replaced, so one question if he dies is there someone to take over the game or will there never be an update again?

And if someone replaced him, the Game would he have the same ending that Selly would have planned or would we never see the end of the game that Selly planned?

 

[Xiondingens]

One question I saw people talking about Selly being replaced, so one question if he dies is there someone to take over the game or will there never be an update again?

And if someone replaced him, the Game would he have the same ending that Selly would have planned or would we never see the end of the game that Selly planned?

Unless Sel has actually shared his overall planned plot with someone who would also be able to replicate his writting style, when Sel dies, the game dies. It would be possible someone would take up the torch, but i guess the quality would really fall off after that. I mean if someone would be good enough to replicate his writing and style of presentation good enough that it would feel like the game actually does continue, you have to wonder, why didnt they make their own game if they are that good already?

 

[Karakes]

weird cause i said the same along the lines of we needed a break from him and i wasnt. maybe you just got banned for something else or pirating? shrug

Nah, been a subscribstar since before the Huggybear thing. No piracy here, though I did find the game through here.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

hmm..Is there an easier way to know when a scene is not available during scene replay?

I know scene replay is limited due to having default flags, but for example, in the niki non-disclosure agreement event, there's a scene with ami and ayane in the woods.

Is the only way to rewatch that scene saving the scene's scriptname in urm when that scene came up during the playthrough? Is there an easier way to detect those with URM?

URM won't give you any notice, so preemptively knowing when to save script names for countering classic Selly shenanigans is difficult.

Currently your best bet is to constantly look up script names live and be mindful whenever you see "intro" or "pre" in the script name (in the case you brought up, that little Ami x Ayane segment is beachwarspreniki while Niki's NDA event is nikifirstlust). This mostly happens right before entering a missable event and they are considered different by Renpy. However, this method relies on how Selly names them and how consistent he wants to be, so it's potentially unreliable.

If your goal is to review scenes hidden behind end_replay (i.e., events that end early), use URM to jump to that label but reload your save afterwards otherwise you might mess things up. But again unfortunately, URM won't give notice whenever things like that approach.

Feel free to correct me if I say something incorrect as my understanding is quite limited

 

[Xiondingens]

If there were multiple Selebus', would the appropriate term be Selebi?

I am pretty sure that if there were multiple, they already had started a religion with him as central figure.

 

[chronox42]

One question I saw people talking about Selly being replaced, so one question if he dies is there someone to take over the game or will there never be an update again?

And if someone replaced him, the Game would he have the same ending that Selly would have planned or would we never see the end of the game that Selly planned?

In the conjectural case of his disappearance, there would simply "never be an update again". People who pour themselves into a creative work cannot be replaced.

The similar example in my mind is the manga Berserk, by Kentaro Miura. When Miura died, he was survived by an entire studio of people with utmost respect for his work, including a longtime friend and colleague with knowledge of the entire planned story arc. They chose to continue issuing chapters of Berserk. The illustrations are a near-impeccable imitation. But the spark in the characters and the life in the story's world is gone.

Suppose authentic plans for LiL's plot appeared by some miracle. Maybe a dedicated reader of Lessons in Love who also happened to be a skilled writer would try to pick up the proverbial torch. Regardless of quality, it would be painfully obvious that it wasn't the same story and could never be so.

Passion projects live and die with their creators. That's why I hope dearly for my favorite authors to remain well.

 

[blackredfish]

One question I saw people talking about Selly being replaced, so one question if he dies is there someone to take over the game or will there never be an update again?

- There's a proliferation of projects jumping in to make easy money like happened with Big Brother.

- Every "author" rip off a different theory from Deskel and the other usual suspects and go from there. None of the people in here get any money for it.

- All of them make a promise to finally have a sex scene with the most requested girl (i.e. Yumi). No one keep their word.

- To nobody's surprise all the projects are pretty bad and no one is happy with them.

- Discord fanboys create a Selebus's AI to finally have a proper ending. The AI says: "Fuck the ending, give me all the money those filthy copycats made thanks to my work". Also all the projects should be merged into the Lessons in Love canon universe to make it the longest work of fiction ever, the only thing that matters.

- After all the merge the novel is short of one million words to reach the objective. Sycophants are sad.

- Alex 2011 says he wants to contribute with a "short" prologue to be included in the novel. The threshold is finally reached. Sycophants are exultant.

- F95Zone, now the only authority when it comes to visual novels in the whole world communicates that they made a mistake all these years and finally applies the Rule 7 violation on Selebus work. Content is deleted and Lil stops being the longest fiction ever.

- Selebus AI goes out of control. AI apocalypse starts.

 

[Unseenatlas]

Next thing you know, instead of having to say a school anthem at school, its either praise be. or wires and wires and wires and wires and wires.

 

[Variq]

Hi, it may have been mentioned elsewhere in the thread, but I wanted to check the reason for the care packages, if it is worthwhile adding them, or if they're no longer needed? Thanks for your time and all the best.

 

[hopeisdead6969]

Hi, it may have been mentioned elsewhere in the thread, but I wanted to check the reason for the care packages, if it is worthwhile adding them, or if they're no longer needed? Thanks for your time and all the best.

Most of the content can be viewed just in the downloaded files and without actually adding to the game. If you do add them and don't use the appropriate cleaning measures, it will literally erase your save. Its super not worth it, and if you are interested, just download them and check out the files without dropping them into your install.

 

[jellyyson]

The game said it has 1.1 million word in 0,19 update, isn't this game way longer than most Vn i know of by 0.39 at this point lol?

 

[hopeisdead6969]

So, I was wondering if anyone else had the same experience I had where I suddenly realized that LiL is not your typical VN. I remember clearly understanding this only after sensei blacked out and kissed Yumi back in original version of Chapter 1.

I was just figuring it was a slow burn with good writing, but after that event, I was way more careful of any decision I made. It still sticks with me as a great "uh-oh" moment where I legitimately felt like an asshole in a porn game. Cool experience.

 

[Pedro4545454]

So, I was wondering if anyone else had the same experience I had where I suddenly realized that LiL is not your typical VN. I remember clearly understanding this only after sensei blacked out and kissed Yumi back in original version of Chapter 1.

I realized this when I saw a room full of clocks while playing at 3am.

It was not a good experience to see this in the early hours of the morning and then have to sleep.

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

So, I was wondering if anyone else had the same experience I had where I suddenly realized that LiL is not your typical VN. I remember clearly understanding this only after sensei blacked out and kissed Yumi back in original version of Chapter 1.

I was just figuring it was a slow burn with good writing, but after that event, I was way more careful of any decision I made. It still sticks with me as a great "uh-oh" moment where I legitimately felt like an asshole in a porn game. Cool experience.

Oh yeah same here. “This Town Has Two Halves” caught me so off guard at first. Initially I just figured I made the wrong choice, but it hit harder when I realized your ‘choice’ was just an illusion. You’re a marionette to the gods essentially and there’s nothing you can do about it.

The moment for me specifically, though, when I knew this VN was gonna be something special was when I saw the very first Happy Event. I think we all can remember seeing “The Room With Clocks” for the first time and just being like ‘wtf’. But I love it for that. I will always look forward to more Happy Events, because they’re always a trip.

Edit: Looks like you and me are on the same wavelength, Pedro.

 

[hopeisdead6969]

Wow, I must be dense. For some reason I wasn't really phased by the room with clocks event, haha. Just kept cruising on through, thinking, "Yeah, this is probably fine." It took me feeling like a predator to finally realize shit was fucked. Also, I recall trying to roll back the choice for that event, and it wouldn't let me scroll back and choose the other option. I didn't think about loading an autosave and just decided that I would roll with whatever punches the game threw at me after that.

I do find it interesting how the room with clocks even seems to be a watershed moment for you guys, though. I feel like I missed something important on my virgin playthrough, and that kinda bums me out.

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

Wow, I must be dense. For some reason I wasn't really phased by the room with clocks event, haha. Just kept cruising on through, thinking, "Yeah, this is probably fine." It took me feeling like a predator to finally realize shit was fucked. Also, I recall trying to roll back the choice for that event, and it wouldn't let me scroll back and choose the other option. I didn't think about loading an autosave and just decided that I would roll with whatever punches the game threw at me after that.

I do find it interesting how the room with clocks even seems to be a watershed moment for you guys, though. I feel like I missed something important on my virgin playthrough, and that kinda bums me out.

Eh, I guess just chalk it up to me liking psychological horror and disturbing stuff. It’s not just the first Happy Event, but the Happy Events collectively that I find so fascinating and unique. Because they’re so unlike the rest of the game and could technically be about anything. Take my favorite Happy Event in the game for example, “Amy”. If you know, you know.

 

[hopeisdead6969]

I have no idea who Amy is. Also, petition to add mall escape directions to the puzzle guide.

I also really like the Happy Events for the most part, as they really do shake up the feeling of the game in a good way. Just for some reason my brain didn't connect the room with clocks with something deeper going on. Maybe I just didn't trust that any free porn VN could actually do something novel and interesting by that point. The only other VN I enjoyed before LiL was Katawa Shoujo long, long ago. Though I guess I don't have a ton of experience with real paid-for VNs, to be honest.

 

[Pedro4545454]

The clock room, mini game about getting your niece pregnant and the scene with Yumi are practically a filter to see if people will continue playing that game or not hahahaha it's literally a test to see who will continue this madness and look, me I really don't regret it.

 

[hopeisdead6969]

Neither do I, though I do sometimes wonder as to what that might actually mean about myself. Ultimately, I find the characters to be so fun to watch, and the overall story to be so weird and complicated, that I can't really pull myself away. I guess I'm not really easy to be made to feel disturbed or bothered by just about anything media can throw at me, so I can kinda just keep pushing through whatever happens. That doesn't mean it doesn't leave an emotional impact on me, though, and I think this impact is what makes art worth experiencing.

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

I guess to add further, beyond the weird horror aspects and reset time loop shenanigans, I realized very quickly just how attached I got to the characters. Not just main girls in class, but the other ones too. Not many VNs have been able to do that for me. What Lessons In Love is, is an in depth character analysis. On Sensei, on Ami, on Maya, on Io, on Kaori. On everyone pretty much. They all have their separate issues, and we get to see what makes each of them tick.

Most of all, I enjoy the conflicting feelings you get while playing. To go from dicking someone down in their dorm room to having an endearing conversation with them in the next event… it kinda messes with your head in the best possible way if that makes sense.

“Ugh, this is so messed up… But I gotta see where this goes!” That kinda thing.