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LessonsInDissonance

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Moonflare said:
The funniest thing to me is Ami being all "you stole my place, I'm the actual main girl, you're just a doll" and
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I am truly lost at whats going to take for people to start liking Ami again, at the very least this is a character that you should love to see on screen even if you "hated" her, but seems like nobody even wants that.
I guess some people will hate Ami no matter what happens, just like how I think Maya is irredeemable.

Well, Ayane is the true end-game anyway, and you will choose her over Maya, in fact it would be nice if Maya just ceased to exist.
 
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Fingers crossed that Sensei's newfound proactive disposition doesn't disapate without memory of Himiwari, half of what made the update such a breath of fresh air wasn't just the emotional weight but also the fact that, rare for recent times, the characters' and reader's focus towards the events as they unfold were aligned.
 
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LessonsInDissonance said:
I am truly lost at whats going to take for people to start liking Ami again, at the very least this is a character that you should love to see on screen even if you "hated" her, but seems like nobody even wants that.
I guess some people will hate Ami no matter what happens, just like how I think Maya is irredeemable.

Well, Ayane is the true end-game anyway, and you will choose her over Maya, in fact it would be nice if Maya just ceased to exist.
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I agree, Maya should cease to exist (that way, no Himawari, no Ayane ending, no game and no stroke for trying to understand that broken universe!)
 
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LessonsInDissonance said:
I am truly lost at whats going to take for people to start liking Ami again, at the very least this is a character that you should love to see on screen even if you "hated" her, but seems like nobody even wants that.
I guess some people will hate Ami no matter what happens, just like how I think Maya is irredeemable.

Well, Ayane is the true end-game anyway, and you will choose her over Maya, in fact it would be nice if Maya just ceased to exist.
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I honestly think a vast majority of the player base would be surprised if Maya just ceased to exist, but wouldn't care if she did. It's obvious Sel wants us to care about Maya. He even stated he was surprised, after she got decapitated in the last update and no one cared about what happened to her. Even though as of recent, she gets at least one L per update she's in. And the biggest L of them all comes from this update. Sel stripped away the most interesting aspect of her character, then proceeded to give her the shaft constantly afterwards. At least when Noriko constantly got the shaft, she had a likeable personality to fall back on. Nu-Maya doesn't even have that. Sel made it hard to like this stripped down version of Maya, when there's nothing left to like.
 
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Detective Dc345 said:
He even stated he was surprised, after she got decapitated in the last update and no one cared about what happened to her.
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He was surprised by the lack of reaction? Bro... that scene was so over the top and out of left field it was simply too much to do anything with... like, all context was missing, so what was there to worry about? We reacted to how fucked up it was, sure, but caring about it being Maya? No, how could we? we have next to no clue what happened and it's such a severe jump there's no way it wasn't going to just be reset... also what you said about her being a lesser version of Maya he's done a shit job of getting us to care about, but still, as a writer, i can't fathom wtf surprises him about the lack of reaction... he didn't write anything to react to... any head in the box would've garnered the same response cause there's no person in the box, just a head... a dead, soulless head...

Edit: am i making sense here? Like, there's the character, the person Maya, but she wasn't in that scene so the mind does not jump to 'oh no, is she going to be okay?'...
 
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Bingoogus said:
He was surprised by the lack of reaction? Bro... that scene was so over the top and out of left field it was simply too much to do anything with... like, all context was missing, so what was there to worry about? We reacted to how fucked up it was, sure, but caring about it being Maya? No, how could we? we have next to no clue what happened and it's such a severe jump there's no way it wasn't going to just be reset... also what you said about her being a lesser version of Maya he's done a shit job of getting us to care about, but still, as a writer, i can't fathom wtf surprises him about the lack of reaction... he didn't write anything to react to... any head in the box would've garnered the same response cause there's no person in the box, just a head... a dead, soulless head...
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And we all know she won't die for real.
When Maya Prime disappeared, it was a loss (and it still is), because she... well, she's not there anymore!

If Sel was ballsy, he would have made Nu Maya disappear for good until the end of chapter 4 (maybe making a return, a collapse, of whatever, of Maya Prime, or a evolve Nu Maya, at the beginning of chapter 5), but no...
So, of course no one cares. It was just an event, not a turning point.

And whose fault is it? His. He badly introduced her (and she didn't evolve), and the moment he tries to put her on use, he decapitated her.
Good job, buddy. Good job.
 
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I really loved the last song ‘All that’s left are stars’. When the song, so related to wanting to hold onto someone you lost but can’t, starts playing the moment the reformatting started as Himawari irons her heart in doing what has to be done, I am in awe. The song immersed me so well into the context that I looked it up right after I finished the update.
 
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Detective Dc345 said:
I honestly think a vast majority of the player base would be surprised if Maya just ceased to exist, but wouldn't care if she did. It's obvious Sel wants us to care about Maya. He even stated he was surprised, after she got decapitated in the last update and no one cared about what happened to her. Even though as of recent, she gets at least one L per update she's in. And the biggest L of them all comes from this update. Sel stripped away the most interesting aspect of her character, then proceeded to give her the shaft constantly afterwards. At least when Noriko constantly got the shaft, she had a likeable personality to fall back on. Nu-Maya doesn't even have that. Sel made it hard to like this stripped down version of Maya, when there's nothing left to like.
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As much as I dislike Maya, she is a very necessary plot device. I hate her because she is the reason why the real Akira got stranded, in all meanings of the word.
She is a sick desire that manifested from Akira's sadness, turned into reality, her existance is proof that he's still broken, to finally be free means letting go of her, forever.
And here is where my final theory about how the game will end.

I've said in the past that we will probably have to make a choice at the end of the game, and I think it's going to be this:

We will have to choose between forgetting Maya and giving Himawari the life she deserves, Or save Maya sacrificing the other.

Don't worry, Maya will get a memorable death.
 
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LessonsInDissonance said:
As much as I dislike Maya, she is a very necessary plot device. I hate her because she is the reason why the real Akira got stranded, in all meanings of the word.
She is a sick desire that manifested from Akira's sadness, turned into reality, her existance is proof that he's still broken, to finally be free means letting go of her, forever.
And here is where my final theory about how the game will end.

I've said in the past that we will probably have to make a choice at the end of the game, and I think it's going to be this:

We will have to choose between forgetting Maya and giving Himawari the life she deserves, Or save Maya sacrificing the other.

Don't worry, Maya will get a memorable death.
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That's the whole point why Himawari try to keep that world in course : she need it to exist (she was conceived there... If we trust her, of course.)
So, without wished Maya, no wished world by Maya and no Himawari.

Still, I agree with you : it would be that kind of story.
But the indication we got doesn't go that way... quite the opposite, actually.
 
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sbeve_helied said:
One thing that I don't get is why the wish is so shit for Maya. Whether the wishes are Monkeys Paws is a little ambiguous, but I cant understand how Maya would create a world where she is forced to watch thousands of not-Akiras groom all her friends.
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fasoaga said:
What the hell happened between Akira B and Maya A to make her wish a neverending world that Akira never touches her?
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Bingoogus said:
He was surprised by the lack of reaction? Bro... that scene was so over the top and out of left field it was simply too much to do anything with... like, all context was missing, so what was there to worry about? We reacted to how fucked up it was, sure, but caring about it being Maya? No, how could we? we have next to no clue what happened and it's such a severe jump there's no way it wasn't going to just be reset... also what you said about her being a lesser version of Maya he's done a shit job of getting us to care about, but still, as a writer, i can't fathom wtf surprises him about the lack of reaction... he didn't write anything to react to... any head in the box would've garnered the same response cause there's no person in the box, just a head... a dead, soulless head...

Edit: am i making sense here? Like, there's the character, the person Maya, but she wasn't in that scene so the mind does not jump to 'oh no, is she going to be okay?'...
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Nah I'm 100% with you, I couldn't gaf about Nu Maya dying for two reasons.
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LessonsInDissonance said:
And here is where my final theory about how the game will end.

I've said in the past that we will probably have to make a choice at the end of the game, and I think it's going to be this:

We will have to choose between forgetting Maya and giving Himawari the life she deserves, Or save Maya sacrificing the other.

Don't worry, Maya will get a memorable death.
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Ooh this is gooood...
 
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