barglenarglezous
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I still have the last pre-rework version of the game. I may do a side by side playthrough on my next PTO break and catalog the changes.
I don't think she was toned down, remember what Sel said, he specifically mentioned toning down characters he thought jumped too early into sexual content and improving the visuals and writing to the level they were at when he started the rework since he did make a leap in quality that does show and wanted the quality to be consistent. I don't remember him mentioning reworking other aspects of characters.
Indeed, she definitely seems worse in the rework than I remember in the original. I'm going to go back and take screencaps of both versions and compare them. Lucky me, I still have a copy of the final 23 release backed up with my original save data, makes it so much easier.
She really has been, that's not really debatable even in the original. It's her motivations and other aspects that result in her doing it that may have been retconned into making her entirely malicious. I could have sworn it got mentioned somewhere that this was just how she expressed her concern for Futaba, having been raised in a world where only people that are like she is now survive, that she didn't know how to look out for Futaba any other way.
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Most noticable retcons for me were
Initial Ayane events
Initial Makoto events
Scene when Miku bullied Futaba
I am obviously missing something, i.e. I am sure Sel injected some characters from chapter 2 into chapter 1 scenes, but I do not think this is important
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Never really saw what Sel said about the rework. Didn't really get involved until afterwards.
I do notice on the Wiki, that there was quite a few scenes deleted for characters and various others changed, so I wouldn't be surprised if a line of text would be changed.
Like apparently Yumi's laugh was changed to a smile:
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Edit: This makes more sense now, Yumi 4th wall break:
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Btw, just a theory, but I got jealousy vibes from Yumi on my playthrough. Like she freaked out at the idea of Sensei even being attracted to Futaba:
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I wouldn't even be surprised if her detentions were intentional just to see her crush, Sensei. I'm definitely interested in what exactly was going on pre-resets.
It was in his announcement, back when he was actually still here and not completely quarantined to the Discord to try and distance himself from watching his game get pirated faster and faster. He sort of glossed over the details, but the big points were reworking exactly when previously sexually open characters, such as Ayane, would open themselves to having sex with Sensei. Ayane herself was one of the biggest points of...well, let's just say people didn't like it that her first encounter during the intro scenes, one of the player favorites from the original progression, was changing so drastically that it basically rewrote her entire early character from the ground up.
I wouldn't be surprised if, during my runs of the reworked beginning, I failed to notice a change with Yumi because I was so focused on that one Ayane scene that I didn't notice there was actually a difference with the more subtle changes.
This is quite possible, she has basically been outed as a tsundere, a type of character that would use negative behavior like what Yumi shows, possibly but not always including physical violence, to hide how they really feel. I'm sure she was genuinely upset by the whole kiss thing and whatever happened in those detentions, but outside of those things, I agree, she may very well have feelings she's trying to hide from Sensei.
Take a look at the first Christmas event, when she gifts that one book to him, and look at what came with it. I don't think someone who genuinely hates him would do that, it has to be a front other than those things that happened before.
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I see, btw, I think I may have found what you've been referring to:
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I'm struggling to recall events where she actually talks about why she bullies Futaba, albeit it's not like I can recall everything. I feel like there has been a few mentions of her holding the fact Futaba doesn't defend herself, against her, though.
Oh, and I definitely think Yumi has feelings for Sensei. 'Untitled' seemed to confirm Yumi masturbates to Sensei:
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I know that ch1 was reworked, but besides the new The Room With Clocks, i haven't touched anything of it (and never will).
I thought Sel would only improve the scenes and change the pacing, but TRWC has a total different tone to me.
Also doesn't help that Sekai is introduced earlier and i think even Himawari is there too now.
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I'll let Rin and Niki take this one:
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Imagine this whole time Yumi constantly targeting Futaba is solely because she is the only one among the first 10 boobier than her and she feels threatened.
However, I don’t think it’d be more than the “picking on the fat and timid kid” trope. At best, she probably just considered Futaba's physique being very unappealing or very inferior to hers on a serious level, so serious that Sensei saying he was attracted to Futaba legit left her in disbelief, and not a tinge of her love toward him was involved.
This is in part due to
So unless our token tsundere was actually a master of disguise and strategy in scheming intentional detentions and incognito asking info about her secret crush (from Maya no less), the chance of her simply disliking Sensei during the early times is still unparallelly high no matter what kind of deeds pre-reset Sensei had done.
But then how do I explain why did Yumi seemingly pay close attention to her constant bugger or why was Yumi this observant when it comes to Sensei?
Two of my hypotheses about her attitude toward Sensei are that:
1) Yumi more than one time describes Sensei's blackouts as "lost" or "helpless". Despite being cunty 90% of the time, this perhaps is her one weak spot and she just can't leave without lending any help even when the person is your creepy teacher (this is an extrapolation of her warm and caring personality exclusive to Chinami, someone incapable of things by no fault of their own)
2) Yumi has been someone who can also see things differently, a sense that requires no predated history with someone or any love-led close attention to notice something is up with Sensei. This perhaps is the reason why Yumi remains on the short list of girls (next to Maya and Noriko) that can tell if Sensei is autopiloting.
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Anyway I just hope we can get at least a quarter of her shrouding enigma chipped away in the new chapter so I don't have to keep guessing.
So, we get a halloween update and then there's like a month break? so like... 2 months between next update and the one after that? or longer?
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Otoha gets a pass for arguably having the best costume. Even though Molly and Mya is giving her a run for her money.
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I think it'd be more that Futaba is like the complete opposite of Yumi. If someone she liked, liked the opposite of her, it'd probably be frustrating and it's not like Yumi has a good way to take out those confusing emotions.
Yumi also happens to be one of the few characters to notice that Sensei lost memories:
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This, on top of her even showing up/allowing those detentions:
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Makes me think that there's something more to their relationship than has been made clear. There's also how Yumi isn't a stranger to rewriting reality in her head:
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I definitely don't think she had fallen for Sensei back then, but I also don't think she has now. She likely just found the 6"2ish, fit, smart, teacher who seemed to acknowledge her more than any guy ever has, as hot. Nowadays, she just has some more emotional reasons on top of the physical attraction, to like him.
Like, even back when Sensei forced himself on her, she did kiss back:
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Holy...I totally misremembered where it was in the game, so there might not be a retcon for Yumi in this regard at all, but that's it. That's what I was talking about. To my knowledge, Yumi herself never mentions it, it wouldn't really make sense given her character. It was the other girls talking about her, particularly Chika, the character closest to Yumi out of the entire cast. Chika is correct in the latter screencaps, there's no real good reason to treat Futaba that way, but if that's all Yumi knows, then she wouldn't be capable of treating Futaba any other way.
It does and so does the Ami stuff at the beginning, specifically the hallucinated sex scene at the beginning. Sekai and Himawari, I might have missed those in the chapter 1 rework, but I only remember them in the later game.
On point as usual, these fit way too well, actually made me chuckle.
To be fair, inner Sensei did have a point, she could have been returning the kiss on hormone driven instinct.