Detective Dc345
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Awww shit. I think I just scared off a new player player with my ill timed post 
Understandable. If I like the art style I will play it regardless if it has good porn or not. I'm generally here for the story event. If I weren't, I would just visit PH or some image site or just play an action game or something
LessonsInDissonance
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You will definitely regret playing this game, everybody does.
The only difference is whether you will regret it because you hate it, or regret it because you got addicted to it.
Just play the damn game and remember that WIRES is your best friend.
Nah, I'm expecting an explanation here. You don't send random memes to new players expecting them to understand after hearing how fucked up the game could beAwww shit. I think I just scared off a new player player with my ill timed post
shmurfer
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That image is a VERY generic example of what the game comes up with every now and then. Kinda like if someone's body exploded in the modern fallout games. A moment that happens all the time and really means nothing at the end of the day.
Are there any actual subjects you refuse to deal with in stories?
DeanNoriko
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I don't think there is a huge point in explaining you the game in detail.
The sheer amount of posts in this thread, the number of reviews and the quick replies probably already show you that this is a very popular title.
Coincidentally we were just talking about how "fucked up" we all consider this game to be and why we like it a few pages back. You can check out my take on it here if you want.
At the end of the day you only really need to know two things:
- This game is not for everybody. Its main themes include various traumatic experiences, such as depression, death, pedophilia, grooming, bullying, etc. and may cause triggers to people sensitive to such topics or who are in a susceptible mental state themselves right now.
- This game is very well written and long as fuck. Like, actually well written, not in the "for a porn game" sense like you'd read on a lot of reviews for other games on here. Dev cooks in that regard.
For the rest, I'd say just play it and get your own impression and don't spoil yourself too much, I guess. Just don't necessarily play this game with the goal to get off. Treat it like a book that you want to read bit by bit and be patient with it. It's worth it.
My two main concerns are this: Is there jump scares, and a lot of them all things considered?
And: What type of cheating is there? Mc being cheated on and girl being hurt, mc being cheated on and the girl isn't hurt, or the mc is the one doing the cheating?
The only thing I don't do well with is lots of unpredictable jump scares and the girl being hurt in cheating scenarios. I've had a certain braveheart academy do that but it was obviously avoidable. I learned my lesson after that.
Okay so, I've watched people play DDLC before, that was obviously not what people expected. Any similarities there?
Then there is Scorn which is... very fucked up, but I barely reacted to anything I saw, like, at all. Iron stomach? Perhaps.
It's the jump scares that get me.
I've been around, seen things.
Honestly, I think if existential horror is more in the text format, I should be completely fine. The implication that this is a long game is great for me, but I question if it's worth it if my initial two questions don't yield favorable responses.
Oh shit, one more thing! Do beloved characters suddenly die unexpectedly???
And: What type of cheating is there? Mc being cheated on and girl being hurt, mc being cheated on and the girl isn't hurt, or the mc is the one doing the cheating?
The only thing I don't do well with is lots of unpredictable jump scares and the girl being hurt in cheating scenarios. I've had a certain braveheart academy do that but it was obviously avoidable. I learned my lesson after that.
Okay so, I've watched people play DDLC before, that was obviously not what people expected. Any similarities there?
Then there is Scorn which is... very fucked up, but I barely reacted to anything I saw, like, at all. Iron stomach? Perhaps.
It's the jump scares that get me.
I've been around, seen things.
Honestly, I think if existential horror is more in the text format, I should be completely fine. The implication that this is a long game is great for me, but I question if it's worth it if my initial two questions don't yield favorable responses.
Oh shit, one more thing! Do beloved characters suddenly die unexpectedly???
Yes "
My two main concerns are this: Is there jump scares, and a lot of them all things considered?
And: What type of cheating is there? Mc being cheated on and girl being hurt, mc being cheated on and the girl isn't hurt, or the mc is the one doing the cheating?
The only thing I don't do well with is lots of unpredictable jump scares and the girl being hurt in cheating scenarios. I've had a certain braveheart academy do that but it was obviously avoidable. I learned my lesson after that.
Oh shit, one more thing! Do beloved characters suddenly die unexpectedly???"
As quoted from my comment above.
Those are things I don't handle well, but I am otherwise pretty resilient
Detective Dc345
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There are quiet a bit of jumpscares and you're going to have to play the game to answer the rest. Any further answers would be spoiling the game.
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Now I'll actually be helpful instead of falling into my guilty pleasure of random obscure quotes.
1. There are no actual jumpscares (in the sense of something suddenly screaming at you and jumping at your face). There are some flashing images, but most of the time you have a warning for them, and since the focus of the game is its narrative in text form, you know it's coming 99% of the time.
2. There is cheating in many shape and forms, but none that hurt the mc. The mc enjoys the thought of girls he's seeing to be seeing other girls at the same time - not that it happens a lot mind you, but it does happen (sometimes in a forced way) - although all of them that get into a relationship with the mc have him as their number 1. There is no other man involved in cheating either, the only exception is within mc's past and during very psychodelic hallucinations, that might even be about the mc himself fucking the girls and he's just seeing himself as another person.
That being said, girls do get hurt in the course of the game. There are various degrees of sexual assault/blackmail/possession and so forth. Again, not by any dude, mostly because of supernatural events, and a few times due to other girls.
Finally, there is an ongoing theme of "maybe none of this is happening" from the start, that makes it difficult to ascertain to which degree someone can even get hurt, or how much of anything is real. So take that as you will. I'll say that at the very least none of these scenes have been there just for shock value nor a fetish. They all serve a logical purpose within their own arcs.
Edit: 3. Death is very debatable in this game for reasons that you'll naturally pick up during the story. You won't have to worry about anyone leaving you for good.
DeanNoriko
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I'll address your questions and concerns, but in your own best interest (without trying to be too pushy) I would recommend to just go for it afterwards, the more detailed questions you will ask, the more will you rob yourself of the enjoyment of finding out the story by yourself.
In my opinion that depends on what you consider jump scares. There are recurring audio cues, a static sound, that indicates that some fuckery is going on. There might be some flashy images suddenly popping up seemingly out of nowhere.
But I wouldn't say that the horror element in this game is focused on getting actively scared like in a standard horror slasher. It's mostly psychological and existential horror. With occasional gory scenes. Think of "trying to face your inner demons and feeling powerless to do anything against them as you slowly slip away".
The comparison with DDLC is fair. Think of it being similar to that game, but much further expanded plot wise and the horror aspect much more subtle and not as central to the identity of the game. Essentially this game is still a slice of life story, just with trauma and weird dreams, gods, etc. thrown in.
At one point in time you have the choice to initiate in a sexual relationship with a married person (whose partner is not shown in the game at any point so far) but this is avoidable. And the relationships you may choose to pursue with certain girls might appear exclusive to some of them. So some girls might get hurt to some extent. Honestly, I would be kinda surprised if that ended up to be the thing that bothered you the most about this game lol.
In general though, if NTR is one of your concerns, there are canonically (basically) no other male characters in the game - it is explained at the very beginning of the game why.
There might be cock murder at some point in this game. That is all that I am willing to say.
But in all seriousness, the girls you see in the menu's character screen from the beginning of the game still exist and are all alive up to this date.
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The most important part is the warning. If I'm left covering the screen and still jumping, that's on me. If I don't cover the screen and something causes me to jump, that's not fine. I tend to watch people play horror games by first letting the jump scare happen and then watching it when I know when to expect it. It's the suddenness of it that gets me.
Well that sounds lovely... worse than death. Also, you failed to make that sound reassuring. I really DON'T care if one thing here or there is spoiled. I would rather read a story about a soon to be corpse of a character
The cheating part is concluded, I'm very comfortable with those kinds of cheating
So far I have my reservations but I still want to play it. I still am very curious about numerous things and there seem to be some conflicting information here on the jump scare factor and no conclusive answer on character deaths. I just want to avoid forming a connection to a character I don't know if they will die or not, that's all.
shmurfer
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You'll be fine honestly. The specifics are spoilery, every point you brought up nearly happens in the game but I couldn't point to a specific moment where the game wanted you to be jumpscared / be cheated on / have a beloved character die. None of those points are a focus like it's a fetish. "People suffer" is probably the only 'fetish' you could accuse the game of trying to push. Everything else is a Smorgasbord that happens occasionally to tick of a checklist of "Yeah the game has this" rather than "This is a [fetish] game"
An example is a couple of months ago, a sleep molestation scene was added. A few months before that, an anal scene was added. In between those scenes, a ton of trauma happened, a bunch of hope happened. A bunch of stories were continued, some stories were left to fester in a annoying way.
Really don't care, better safe than sorry.
If female on female, then that's fine. Male on female is only fine if they appear happy.
Oh, how lovely...
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Subversion (one word) or the base verb (to subvert) means to take the conventions of a genre and go against them, twist them, or turn them on their side. This game is a subversion of the harem genre of eroge. Another possible word to describe it would be "deconstruction," though they're not the same thing, this game is a bit of both.
It takes a lot of the common and popular tropes of eroge -- harem, schoolgirls, an unrealistically large penis, etc -- and twists them. Sometimes it does this by removing the fantastical elements of the genre and injecting a dose of reality, sometimes it does it by making everything appear one way, only to pull the rug out from under you.
And to better explain what I mean by "game with porn, rather than a porn game," the sex scenes are a thing that happens, but they're not the purpose of the game. The game is a slow burn, and very story-heavy, and sex happens when it's appropriate, and there's quite a bit of it due to its length, but if you're looking for a quick fap this isn't the game. This is an attempt at eroge as art, rather than eroge as simple entertainment -- which yes, sounds pretentious, but here we are.
And if you're one to project yourself into the MC, this probably isn't the game for you. Or at the very least, do so at your own peril. The MC is a terrible person in just about every respect.
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MC is literally the only man ever shown on screen with a face. There are other men in the story, but they're all off-screen and not having sex with any of the 35 girls that have been flagged as love interests. Some of the women are having sex with each other in various contexts.
As for the horror -- most of it is philosophical in nature. There are a few moments that might classify as a jump scare, but it's not something horrific, it's just unexpected (and loud) bursts of static. The intent is to make you uncomfortable, not to make you scream.
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Finishing my post from earlier now that I don't have to worry about scaring off a new player, let's keep them around.
But this doesn't mean they won't suffer before then. I don't remember the whole flowchart, but we are in the harem route right now, then it's going to be dark route, then it's the purity routes, and then the true ending.
AKA Sel has nothing to work with. So Paredolia forces Sensei to almost SA her so now she has some trauma, the few events she's had now show she isn't over it, doesn't forgive Sensei (as of 0.45's ending you still can't talk to her willingly, karinbetter = false) and technically, now the reason Sensei attacked her is gone so there's room to work with story wise. I think he's still gonna cook.
Meta spoiler that's going to come up if you stick around. Every girl that you can get affection / lust points with is going to have a purity route near the end of the game. This is supposed to be a 1 on 1 romance route with them and the MC. So it's impossible for any of them to be dead by the end of the story...
But this doesn't mean they won't suffer before then. I don't remember the whole flowchart, but we are in the harem route right now, then it's going to be dark route, then it's the purity routes, and then the true ending.
almost 9gb of that is images. There's at least 30,000 in the images folder. Moonflare (And I, though I'm probably not gonna make it) were spending this month replaying the game and they budgeted the whole month for it.
It's not over yet. Meta reading the situation, Karin's first Ch4 event basically talks about how Karin is a perfect cinnamon roll and nothing is wrong. The worst thing about her life is her sister doesn't like her.
AKA Sel has nothing to work with. So Paredolia forces Sensei to almost SA her so now she has some trauma, the few events she's had now show she isn't over it, doesn't forgive Sensei (as of 0.45's ending you still can't talk to her willingly, karinbetter = false) and technically, now the reason Sensei attacked her is gone so there's room to work with story wise. I think he's still gonna cook.
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I mean that quite literally. Death is fleeting.