Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.53.0] [Selebus]

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Moonflare

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kind of a hot take but I'm getting tired of Akira. I'd like him to do something. I get that one of this main things is to be adrift since, well, he never had a structured will of his own in the first place because of Sekai. But c'mon, isn't it time?

Remember when he went out cursing the gods and Sekai and saying he'd do anything to get them out of his head to be with Maya in "deliver you unto the fireflies"? Remember him trying to be "less bad" during the end of chapter 3? I'm tired of Akira just being passive to everything (most of all during the last christmas with the gnomes).

Mirroring what Riolol said, at the very least in the grooming days he was moved by "let's get the girls". Nowadays it's a continuous "what will the girls do to him today". I'm not saying I expect him to wake up one day and be like "okay, fuck this, I'll find a way to get Maya back by blowing up New Hope church, and kicking down the door on Tojo's second floor, and I'll dig up Sekai's bones, salt them and burn them".

But, you know, something.
 
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Moonflare said:
kind of a hot take but I'm getting tired of Akira. I'd like him to do something. I get that one of this main things is to be adrift since, well, he never had a structured will of his own in the first place because of Sekai. But c'mon, isn't it time?

Remember when he went out cursing the gods and Sekai and saying he'd do anything to get them out of his head to be with Maya in "deliver you unto the fireflies"? Remember him trying to be "less bad" during the end of chapter 3? I'm tired of Akira just being passive to everything (most of all during the last christmas with the gnomes).

Mirroring what Riolol said, at the very least in the grooming days he was moved by "let's get the girls". Nowadays it's a continuous "what will the girls do to him today". I'm not saying I expect him to wake up one day and be like "okay, fuck this, I'll find a way to get Maya back by blowing up New Hope church, and kicking down the door on Tojo's second floor, and I'll dig up Sekai's bones, salt them and burn them".

But, you know, something.
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I think Sekai is missing the cool hat to be Freddy Krueger. Other than that, he's not really out of his sadboi phase at all, I wonder what's gonna actually get him out of that. He's been going in autopilot (heh) for almost the entirety of chapter 4, which I guess is why his unsettling (goofy?) face has been appearing more.
 
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Moonflare said:
kind of a hot take but I'm getting tired of Akira. I'd like him to do something. I get that one of this main things is to be adrift since, well, he never had a structured will of his own in the first place because of Sekai. But c'mon, isn't it time?

Remember when he went out cursing the gods and Sekai and saying he'd do anything to get them out of his head to be with Maya in "deliver you unto the fireflies"? Remember him trying to be "less bad" during the end of chapter 3? I'm tired of Akira just being passive to everything (most of all during the last christmas with the gnomes).

Mirroring what Riolol said, at the very least in the grooming days he was moved by "let's get the girls". Nowadays it's a continuous "what will the girls do to him today". I'm not saying I expect him to wake up one day and be like "okay, fuck this, I'll find a way to get Maya back by blowing up New Hope church, and kicking down the door on Tojo's second floor, and I'll dig up Sekai's bones, salt them and burn them".

But, you know, something.
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I understand perfectly well, I genuinely hope this happens soon, like, everything is building up to this happening, but like, we're going to have more long years with LIL and I genuinely hope we don't have to wait until the beginning of chapter 5 to see Akira finally moving against the gods, I at least hope that this end of the year will be the development for him to go against the gods, he's already much more aware of them. He knows how to kill them, and now he can keep his memory of them intact without losing them anymore, a lot of things were slowly preparing him to go against the gods.

The main problem is that selly focusing much more on the girls now and not on the gods, and that's the problem, because until we get out of this it will take a while, I feel like Selly should go back to focusing more on this before it gets more boring than it already is, this complete focus on the girls, like, even this Nodoka thing that was supposed to involve the gods, was more focused on the girls than on the gods.
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I think Sekai is missing the cool hat to be Freddy Krueger. Other than that, he's not really out of his sadboi phase at all, I wonder what's gonna actually get him out of that. He's been going in autopilot (heh) for almost the entirety of chapter 4, which I guess is why his unsettling (goofy?) face has been appearing more.
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He somehow talks to Maya prime or some version of her that actually resembles her completely, he thinks she's dead, he doesn't have much faith that he can bring her back, that's why he's still in this shit, and adding how the girls are currently, it's only making it worse, maybe in the next Maya events and in the Beach event, we'll be able to see a greater development for him, taking him out of this.
 
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Moonflare said:
kind of a hot take but I'm getting tired of Akira. I'd like him to do something. I get that one of this main things is to be adrift since, well, he never had a structured will of his own in the first place because of Sekai. But c'mon, isn't it time?
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Not really a hot take at all; I doubt anyone would disagree with you unless Sel secretly joins the conversation.

I think as a character Akira is the most hurt by the game's expanded cast. If he was only waiting for 20 other characters to reach the right spots before making his own developments, his depression arc would be a bit more bearable.
 
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Akira was able to "dispel" Sekai for the first time last update, that imo is som significant internal development, but his inability/hesitance to exert himself on those around him without someone else telling him to/guiding him is getting old now. With Maya Prime's death also comes a sort of death of discovery; a lack of metaphysical discussion between the characters about their shared situation outside of reset time. As the one with the most reset experience he could offer more input during the discussions that are had, and spur sperate conversations that aren't, but it's like he's completely disinterested now in the existential crapshoot that he and those who he "loves" have found themselves in, which is not only very self-centered and short sighted, but also pathetic. He's admitted to himself and others that he loves some if not all of his people, yet he spares no interest in their fate, instead accepting that the world resets are eternal. But if they are eternal, any one of those he loves could be reset themselves at any time, like Maya Prime. Ultimately this is getting unsatisfying to watch, while an understandable display of apathy during his "depression arc," he's lost the "sadboy" variable or whatever it was called for a couple of updates now.
 
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Just to throw this out there; Sensei technically isn't as aimless as he has been.

Current Sensei is prioritizing Ami:
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He's in his "trying to be a dad" phase, and is basically using her as his excuse to live, at the moment.

Of course, he's half-assing everything and it's probably 8+(million+?) years too late, but this does seem to be where Sensei is at currently.

Recently, his prioritizing of Ami can result in either no Nodokathon, or Ami beating Ayane in a landslide during their contest. Even sexually, Ami might be prioritized in his mind lately:
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Whether he's actually fucking her or not, based off Futaba's Event, where he imagined Ami no matter her path.

Don't get me wrong, he's still the pushover that he's always been, but he does have a goal, now: To be there for Ami. Whether he actually can or actually will be, when it counts, remains to be seen.
 
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I'm replaying the game (and don't have screenshots, sorry in advance) and I'm a bit confused with Ami right before the third (fourth?) reset. She and Sensei go visit the grave of Sekai, after which Ami eventually reads Sensei some poetry. She goes to check her phone and her eyes change to very tiny versions, she knocks over a glass, essentially having a panic attack. She comes to and forgets that all happened, but the next event with Ayane and Maya, she's actively cycling through normal Ami, Nao, and small-eyed Ami.

I bring this up because later on in chapter 4, it seems like she has awareness of the resets and there's been a lot of speculation that she always has, but the reactions she gives here don't seem like those of someone who is expecting them. I feel like maybe she's slipping between multiple versions of herself, maybe? Could she have been replaced? Have we already discussed this and my years of consuming short form content have disintegrated what little memory I had left?
 
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crustlord12 said:
I feel like maybe she's slipping between multiple versions of herself, maybe? Could she have been replaced? Have we already discussed this and my years of consuming short form content have disintegrated what little memory I had left?
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My guess is that you're referencing "somnambula" and the infamous ride on the backwards bus. If so, yes, it has been heavily discussed as it is one of the, if not most, important events from Ami.

This event foreshadows that she has been alone with Akira at a world's end "you could drive us through the empty city", which is heavily implied by the dialogue Ami has with Maya in the scary room (Ami having experienced multiple Akiras and being the original companion to him through resets). And there's also the part of how she intends to dethrone a god (assumed) so that Akira can sit on their throne. Throughout the event, USER1 tries to connect and is blocked multiple times.

There's more to it, but from memory those are the important parts. "Somnambula" remains an enigma, which iirc we discussed most recently when Selebus asked which event he should provide commentary about. My guess is that if he explained it, we'd likely have a lot of endgame info (which is why he's unlikely to talk about it at all).
 
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Moonflare said:
let's be serious, realistically Niki would know. It's either willful ignorance or Chika levels of cope.

I'd wager it's more that she's testing to which extent she can control him and Ami with the illusion of them having to hide it from her. "would they stop with me living here?", "would they stop if I got to know the other girls? (invite over events)", "would I actually be able to turn Ami's head around?".

Obviously that was all pointless, as what the conversation with Ami showed her (when she asks if Ami is having sex with him for real, long before she came along).

Regardless, I think Selebus wrote himself into a corner there, as he's done many times over, because Niki can't really act in a decisive manner because the rest of the plot has to catch up before it - meaning that she has to stay the oblivious mama Niki that lives with Akira and Ami until we've dealt with a lot of other stuff. It was the same with Chika, she couldn't discover everything that was obvious before the plot reached the point of fixing it with a TSS.
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It's ambiguous how much Niki knows because we've only seen her actions, not her thoughts. But I'd be surprised if she isn't 99% certain that Sensei is sleeping with some of his students, and she's probably known since well before she moved in.
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Plus, Niki can't take over as the new queen of willful ignorance, even with Chika vacating the title - Imani's already got that role locked down. ;)
 
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so how do i actually unlock the invite over option for girls cause im kinda stuck with two of them only having invite events from what i can tell atleast? also, do the lines in the event tracker indicate what events can be done in the current chapter? for example, sana has 14 events listed before a dashed line.
 
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