Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.53.0] [Selebus]

[Pedro4545454]

I remember that when the spoilers for 0.40 came out and that it would be focused on secondary characters, I said that it would be one of the worst updates, I think I said it too soon because this update looks like it will be very interesting and there will be a bit of drama .

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

I remember that when the spoilers for 0.40 came out and that it would be focused on secondary characters, I said that it would be one of the worst updates, I think I said it too soon because this update looks like it will be very interesting and there will be a bit of drama .

I agree. Don’t want to speak too soon or anything, but… I think the camping setting will make for a nice change of pace after all the dorm wars and beach vacations and etc. It’s nice to see the characters in a new environment.

 

[Pedro4545454]

I agree. Don’t want to speak too soon or anything, but… I think the camping setting will make for a nice change of pace after all the dorm wars and beach vacations and etc. It’s nice to see the characters in a new environment.

I think that practically everyone was already tired of the same beach, Halloween and dorm wars, there has to be something new and good, it literally looks like it's going to be a vacation from these events that we needed and if we left it until Akira needed, I remember even he said he was starting to get tired because of it.

 

[Duskreyn]

So it's not tsuneyo's father's room then, well but there's still a clue,
I tried to remember and look for clues if there are mentions of salvation and I found a couple of things that might be related. Nothing more, nothing less, two main events before the introduction of Yasu.

Spoiler: The Color of a Heart

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Spoiler: Sound of Cicada

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Spoiler: Salvation

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no need to say who is behind Yasu,
although Hope/Callous is very inactive currently, curious given the last thing that happened with Yasu... it could also be Pareidollia in the middle of a mockery/trap against him of course, given all his recent prominence.

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

Wait a minute… Possible revelation! Although it could just be nothing.

Remember when Yasu was freaking out last update and Tsuneyo disappeared? Well, remember during Yasu’s premonition when she mentioned saving the ‘lamb’ (Akira) and that ‘she’s lying’?

What if Yasu was referring to Nao, and not Maya?

“Salvation lies within.” We see this in the preview image. What if that was the ‘lie’?

Sure, it could be Pareidolia. But remember when Nao handed Makoto the drawing of wilford blackhole hands? She ‘spoke’ in all lowercase too, so we can’t rule that out either.

Spoiler: Nao lowercase

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Hmm, I dunno. Kinda suspicious.

 

[hopeisdead6969]

Wait a minute… Possible revelation! Although it could just be nothing.

Remember when Yasu was freaking out last update and Tsuneyo disappeared? Well, remember during Yasu’s premonition when she mentioned saving the ‘lamb’ (Akira) and that ‘she’s lying’?

What if Yasu was referring to Nao, and not Maya?

“Salvation lies within.” We see this in the preview image. What if that was the ‘lie’?

Sure, it could be Pareidolia. But remember when Nao handed Makoto the drawing of wilford blackhole hands? She ‘spoke’ in all lowercase too, so we can’t rule that out either.

Spoiler: Nao lowercase

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Hmm, I dunno. Kinda suspicious.

I feel like I should know that answer to this, but do we know what god Nao is aligned with, or is that still unclear? Because it seems like that would be pertinent to your comment, given that the gods seem to be in competition with each other.

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

I feel like I should know that answer to this, but do we know what god Nao is aligned with, or is that still unclear? Because it seems like that would be pertinent to your comment, given that the gods seem to be in competition with each other.

Nao-chan’s alignment with the gods is still pretty unclear as far as I know. Nao has been briefly touched on in Happy Events but admittedly some of the lore is lost on me at the moment. I’m sure our resident lore expert DeSkel would know for certain!

If I were to take an educated guess, though? I don’t think she has anything to do with HOPE or Wires.

 

[hopeisdead6969]

I don’t think she has anything to do with HOPE or Wires.

I'll agree with you on that front, but I'm tired right now so the lore escapes me too, haha. I'm not convinced she's with Paradolia, and since she's not obviously aligned with Hope, your idea might be right.

I was also thinking about how some of the gods seem to be related to parental figures, like Sekai with Ami, and Wires with Tsuneyo's dad. I wonder if Hope might be related too, and given his name, it would make sense for him to be involved with Nozomu somehow. Though why Yasu would be his rep doesn't make much sense, but since Sekai already has Ami, maybe he had to settle for a different girl? I don't know, I'm just sleepy bullshitting, probably.

 

[Pedro4545454]

I thought it was a consensus that Nao-Chan was linked to Nao, Nao-chan, in addition to breaking the fourth wall, seems to have the power to create/give life or bodies to spirits just by drawing them, so for her to have this power, seriously, I thought she was linked to Nao, who in my view seems to be the strongest god, since he is almost omniscient.

DesKel if I'm wrong could mention some stronger god that was talked about than Nao.

 

[hopeisdead6969]

I didn't get the feeling that Nao-chan was creating those creatures, but that they always exist, but Sensei doesn't notice them until they are revealed to him. Like how you might not notice a thing in the enviroment until someone explicitly points it out to you. Sort of the whole idea of knowledge too terrible for humans to comprehend, and madness following their revelation to someone. But that's just my gut feeling, so who knows.

Also, is Nao-chan different from Nao? I didn't think they were necessarily separate entities in the way Yasu is seperate from Hope. More like Nao-chan is either an extension or an aspect of the main Nao, or something.

 

[Pedro4545454]

I didn't get the feeling that Nao-chan was creating those creatures, but that they always exist, but Sensei doesn't notice them until they are revealed to him. Like how you might not notice a thing in the enviroment until someone explicitly points it out to you. Sort of the whole idea of knowledge too terrible for humans to comprehend, and madness following their revelation to someone. But that's just my gut feeling, so who knows.

Also, is Nao-chan different from Nao? I didn't think they were necessarily separate entities in the way Yasu is seperate from Hope. More like Nao-chan is either an extension or an aspect of the main Nao, or something.

I was reviewing this event where Nao appears and I find it quite funny that Nao seems to be the strongest God and he is the only god that I saw Akira being able to hold a good conversation without making mistakes in words.(Of course, this was before Nao threw Akira's trauma without any warning in his face, as this made Akira almost have a panic attack)

Involving Nao-chan, that's why I said it was about creating spirits or giving physical bodies to spirits, I really think that Nao doesn't create them but just gives them the bodies they need to enter the physical world.

I think Nao-chan is not a host like Kaori, Akira and Yasu I really think she is more of a spirit or demi-god. She is very mysterious, but reviewing the event here, Nao has lines that make it seem like he is Omniscient and Omnipresent, so in my opinion he wouldn't need a being like Nao-chan on earth to be able to see or communicate with someone, already that he is very powerful.

 

[hopeisdead6969]

Nao has lines that make it seem like he is Omniscient and Omnipresent, so in my opinion he wouldn't need a being like Nao-chan on earth to be able to see or communicate with someone, already that he is very powerful.

This makes me immediately think of the Christian story of Jesus coming to Earth. Obviously God is too powerful to need anything like a vessel or whatever, but its still an accepted part of the religious mythos. Given this games religious themes, I wonder if its something like that? It also makes me wonder how much Nao-chan is actually aware of. If we continue the Bible reference, Jesus wasn't fully aware of what was going on until he turned 30 and finally baptized, so its possible that Nao-chan isn't really aware of all the baggage she's carrying as some part of Nao.

 

[DeSkel15]

I feel like I should know that answer to this, but do we know what god Nao is aligned with, or is that still unclear? Because it seems like that would be pertinent to your comment, given that the gods seem to be in competition with each other.

Most likely Pareidolia/Concerned, just like Kaori.

Pareidolia has been described as "The Dark" with a connection to Spiders, while Kaori has called herself "The Mistress of The Dark" and "Queen of Spiders":

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And Pareidolia has been implied to be some kind of patchwork god through it's book's description, the way it's mall pulls things in, and it's ability to do what the other gods do:

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While Nao-Chan seems to be some kind of amalgam being, adopted by Kaori.

There's also how Nao (The Xoanon) has implied some connection to Pareidolia/Concerned:

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And there seems to be some implied connections to The Old One and Niki based off this in Pareidolia's reset:

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Both of which, Nao-Chan has been involved with:

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Overall: Nao-Chan and Pareidolia seem connected. Of course, there could be something else going on. This is ultimately just a theory.

 

[Pedro4545454]

This makes me immediately think of the Christian story of Jesus coming to Earth. Obviously God is too powerful to need anything like a vessel or whatever, but its still an accepted part of the religious mythos. Given this games religious themes, I wonder if its something like that? It also makes me wonder how much Nao-chan is actually aware of. If we continue the Bible reference, Jesus wasn't fully aware of what was going on until he turned 30 and finally baptized, so its possible that Nao-chan isn't really aware of all the baggage she's carrying as some part of Nao.

If it were revealed that Nao-Chan is Akira's daughter I really wouldn't be surprised, Nao admitted that Akira already had sex with her, so I really wouldn't be surprised that Nao-Chan is Nao and Akira's daughter.
(this was more of a joke but I genuinely wouldn't be surprised)

Spoiler: Nao

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[hopeisdead6969]

Poor christians, authors always butcher their faith and Bible to make a story with religious undertones. I wonder how far the christian overtones will go in this story? Jesus wept after seeing what happened to his followers no doubt.

Well, given the obvious symbolism and imagery used, I think its gonna continue to be a major part of the story. Though I think its more religion in general than just Christian. I only brought up the Bible because something about Nao- chan reminded me of the story for some reason in that moment. I doubt it was right.

 

[hopeisdead6969]

Most likely Pareidolia/Concerned, just like Kaori.

Pareidolia has been described as "The Dark" with a connection to Spiders, while Kaori has called herself "The Mistress of The Dark" and "Queen of Spiders":

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And Pareidolia has been implied to be some kind of patchwork god through it's book's description, the way it's mall pulls things in, and it's ability to do what the other gods do:

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While Nao-Chan seems to be some kind of amalgam being, adopted by Kaori.

There's also how Nao (The Xoanon) has implied some connection to Pareidolia/Concerned:

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And there seems to be some implied connections to The Old One and Niki based off this in Pareidolia's reset:

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Both of which, Nao-Chan has been involved with:

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Overall: Nao-Chan and Pareidolia seem connected. Of course, there could be something else going on. This is ultimately just a theory.

Do you think Paradolia existed in prior iterations of this world? Or is this the first Spring and the first time its been able to use powers?

 

[DeSkel15]

I thought it was a consensus that Nao-Chan was linked to Nao, Nao-chan, in addition to breaking the fourth wall, seems to have the power to create/give life or bodies to spirits just by drawing them, so for her to have this power, seriously, I thought she was linked to Nao, who in my view seems to be the strongest god, since he is almost omniscient.

DesKel if I'm wrong could mention some stronger god that was talked about than Nao.

Nao described itself as a cog in a much bigger machine:

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So, chances are, there is something above it.

Possibly whatever is taking Sekai's form as Nao said "we":

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And presumably Nao taking Ami's form implies whatever is taking Sekai's, may be it's parent or superior.

Do you think Paradolia existed in prior iterations of this world? Or is this the first Spring and the first time its been able to use powers?

I doubt it's the first time. Spring and Autumn were seemingly taken away from Kumon-mi for some reason.

It's also been implied by Yasu and HOPE that this has all happened before:

Presumably, HOPE should show up again after this Pareidolia stuff is settled, and during the next Summer. Yasu implied that it knew this would all happen:

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This might not be the first "Infinite Spring", or the first time Maya Prime has crumbled. Or, well, the first anything. Spring and Autumn seemed to be gone, at the start, for a reason. Honestly, Pareidolia sucks, but the Autumn god might be the one that really makes things rough.

Pareidolia did claim it wasn't the only one growing:

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SeKaori may be a team effort.

 

[hopeisdead6969]

I thought I remembered Yasu mentioning that, but I'm hazy in the brain because I should be asleep.

And presumably Nao taking Ami's form implies whatever is taking Sekai's, may be it's parent or superior.

So does this mean that you don't think its actually Sekai that is appearing to Sensei, but a being impersonating her?

 

[Pedro4545454]

So does this mean that you don't think its actually Sekai that is appearing to Sensei, but a being impersonating her?

Very good theory, especially considering that in 0.36 this "Sekai" broke the fourth wall, something that only divine beings I saw do.

Spoiler: Sekai

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[hopeisdead6969]

something that only divine beings I saw do.

I assume we're just gonna ignore the Raid Shadow Legends, and the various other 4th wall breaks where he whines about inane bullshit?