Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.53.0] [Selebus]

[DeSkel15]

I feel like everyone has pointed out good enough reasons for people to jump ship - it's just that, and I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here, since we're all still playing the game - but maybe they thought of LiL as a different kind of story?

Spoiler: why I don't have a problem with it

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I think this is the main thing, the fact that the game in which most of things are not up to the player made this up to the player. I will say this though, to me personally, taking that choice isn't even about wanting to see wizard content or not - it's about wanting to see the story Selebus wants to tell or not.

I will see everything he wants or may want to include in his story, and if the story is destroyed because of it, I'll add that on my review. I'm not Akira and Selebus supposed rants towards the player are as meaningless as his Raid Shadow Legends stuff to me, I don't need a scapegoat for my choices because this is not an rpg, it's a book with occasional badly written and short-lived alternate dialogues - In fact, I'd rather that the second choice in the Tsukasa event just crashed your game or something, but maybe he gave players the choice exactly so they wouldn't have a scapegoat.

All in all, let him put whatever he wants in his story and I'll read it, if it will hold up when everything is said and done, or we'll agree that it was unnecessary in its eulogy is for another day.

As for the Maya Sensei Victim stuff, there's also how Maya is implied to have been broken before Sensei took her in and their relationship started.

Maya Prime even described their attachment happening due to them both being pretty fucked up:

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Not that being "fucked up" justifies anything fucked up, but it's hard to say Sensei is the one who fucked up Maya because of this. He seemed to just have fucked her.

Maya has also teased prostitution before, and finding another to fuck her, so if it wasn't Sensei, it'd probably just be someone else:

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Of course, Maya fucking up Sensei, as has been implied, is another story (albeit, she couldn't even do that if he wasn't already a mess). I do have to wonder though, if Sensei would have simply preyed upon Noriko instead, if Maya never showed up. The recent way he seems to see Tsukasa as Wizard Noriko is...suspect. Maybe even Ami (or Ayane?) if Maya wasn't there to keep him "busy" over the years.

 

[Detective Dc345]

Hopping on the profile picture trend but unfortunately the best part is always cut out

Maya is cut out in my new one and Sensei's gun was cut out in the last one

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Also I hope the sudden influx of profile pic changes doesn't confuse Bingoogus.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

The problem of LiL is Selebus, who continiously attempts to normalize it to reader, and who makes questionable rants like "You are literally fucking schoolgirls, why do you think fucking loli would make it worse".

Not in the discord, but sometimes I wonder if this ridiculous argument he made was only meant for those who wanted him to drop future wizard content by claiming “bc wizard sexual content is illegal ”. I probably wouldn’t budge as well if I saw weak arguments like those and was full of myself at the same time.

 

[JelF547]

Why does nobody steal Selebus' previews? Did our agent unsubscribed as well?

Spoiler: 0.41

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[Detective Dc345]

Why does nobody steal Selebus' previews? Did our agent unsubscribed as well?

Spoiler: 0.41

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Shit I forgot today was Monday

 

[Bingoogus]

Why does nobody steal Selebus' previews? Did our agent unsubscribed as well?

How did you get them if 'our agent' hadn't hmmmmmmmm?

 

[Moonflare]

Why does nobody steal Selebus' previews? Did our agent unsubscribed as well?

Spoiler: 0.41

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what is even happening??

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I'm excited!

 

[DeSkel15]

Why does nobody steal Selebus' previews? Did our agent unsubscribed as well?

Spoiler: 0.41

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Is Yasu...actually getting shit done?...Holy shit:

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I'm even more hyped now.

 

[JelF547]

Is Yasu...actually getting shit done?...

Yasu is getting holy shit done

 

[Bingoogus]

Yasu is getting holy shit done

Oh, and he ignores my comment... very suspicious... you know, i've never seen JelF547 and Dc345 in the same room at the same time... has anyone? Both have only a handful of letters and three numbers in their username... veeeery suspicious if you ask me...

Edit: Omg! Look at the numbers, 547 and 345, 547345! 54 73 45! a numerical palindrome broken by a prime number made of prime numbers, 7, 3, 73! And guess what, 73 is the 21st prime number and what do you get when you multiply 7 and 3? It's a clue! DeSkelly! Moonflare! Crack your knuckles and start theory crafting on this, i know i'm on to something!

 

[BlackDays]

Oh, and he ignores my comment... very suspicious... you know, i've never seen JelF547 and Dc345 in the same room at the same time... has anyone? Both have only a handful of letters and three numbers in their username... veeeery suspicious if you ask me...

Not as suspicious as

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[Moonflare]

I'd like to see Tsuneyo show up, but considering Yasu isn't a fan of Wires,

I'd think Rin would show up as well considering she's "chosen", but I guess we'll see.

Now that you mention it, it would be interesting to see whether what Tsuneyo (while naked) was saying was Wires or HOPE. Cause if it was HOPE, we'll probably see something about it in this gathering - and if not, it would be the first confirmed possession by Wires (something that he's said to never do).

Actually - I just remembered there was a discussion about this at Tojo Ramen at some point, I think it was with Kaori (or Noriko?) even. Something about saving people or not saving them if it was against their will (could be relevant).

Also, given the people that gathered, if I'm not mistaken Touka said something to Yasu about healthier ways to evangelize, that's probably why she's there. Sana humours her already, Nodoka would jump at this and Akira is Akira. Kaori however seems to arrive without the party and maybe wasn't even invited, but sent there (?) - I wonder if HOPE is allowing these people to enter, or Yasu's just doing it since their connection is severed.

Also I quoted the Rin part just because if I was a god I'd choose Rin too, so yeah. Jokes aside, given that Sana is there it could also shine some light about HOPE being involved or not in Akira fingering her, and consequently white dress Sekai's allegiance.

 

[DeSkel15]

what is even happening??

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I'm excited!

Interestingly, all that are there (besides Kaori?) has expressed interest in hearing Yasu out.

Nodoka even thanked her for explaining the sky tendril stuff:

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It somewhat seems like Yasu is trying to get whoever might listen to her, together, to talk about the horrible changes that are coming:

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Although, Nodoka apparently being allowed in the New Hope Church aka "Chosen", is not something I saw coming. Then again, Yasu's god is presumably asleep, so that may play a factor. She's kind of on her own it seems.

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

Why does nobody steal Selebus' previews? Did our agent unsubscribed as well?

Spoiler: 0.41

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I knew this next update was destined to be a banger. Leave it to Yasu to make things happen.

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I'd think Rin would show up as well considering she's "chosen", but I guess we'll see.

Well, Rin does have 1 event in 0.41. So perhaps there’s hope HOPE.

 

[DeSkel15]

Now that you mention it, it would be interesting to see whether what Tsuneyo was saying was Wires or HOPE. Cause if it was HOPE, we'll probably see something about it in this gathering - and if not, it would be the first confirmed possession by Wires (something that he's said to never do).

Actually - I just remembered there was a discussion about this at Tojo Ramen at some point, I think it was with Kaori (or Noriko?) even. Something about saving people or not saving them if it was against their will (could be relevant).

Also, given the people that gathered, if I'm not mistaken Touka said something to Yasu about healthier ways to evangelize, that's probably why she's there. Sana humours her already, Nodoka would jump at this and Akira is Akira. Kaori however, seems to arrive without the party and maybe wasn't even invited, but sent there (?).

Also I quoted the Rin part just because if I was a god I'd choose Rin too, so yeah. Jokes aside, given that Sana is there it could also shine some light about HOPE being involved or not in Akira fingering him, and consequently white dress Sekai's allegiance.

Lol, kind of responded to this in my last post, but to add to it, I definitely don't think HOPE would have power over Tsuneyo. The resets barely even affect her considering she was still fine while Maya, Ayane, and Yumi got Tshaped:

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Tsuneyo may have been possessed prior, though, and it was due to Sensei and Yuki getting close to her father:

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Assuming her father is related to USER2/Wires, it seems like she's able to be controlled or weaponized by it, if needed.

Kaori and Tsuneyo also never get along. Chapter 1 Tsuneyo Event:

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Chapter 3 Kaori Event:

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Tsuneyo has thought about snapping Kaori's neck due to Kaori seemingly stalking her:

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Back in Tsuneyo's Chapter 1 'The Man Who Loves Nothing' Event if I recall correctly.

 

[Moonflare]

Nodoka even thanked her for explaining the Touka - "Oh, yes. In fact, she was back to her normal self just this morning --- pacing up and down the hall, screaming about 'horrible changes that have yet to take root' or something along those lines.

I wonder what bad things could even happen. Cause we all know Pareidolia's an ass, but his ultimate objective seems to be to complete the collection, and that's going very well so far. Molly and Touka are more or less ready to go, Yuki and Rin are showing signs, Otoha is being corrupted and Tsukasa's route is open.

Ironically, if Pareidolia just stopped interfering his game would be more or less won. So I don't think the bad things would come from him, but maybe from the other forces fighting against his infinite spring?

Or maybe it has to do with the fourth side of the cross, and that while the three are fighting USER4 will emerge (and maybe even consume them?) - but I don't think Yasu has seen that far or she'd be much more terrified.

So it has to be something bad, but not so bad that it would hurt HOPE... I mean, what Akira even has to lose? Maya's gone already. Someone could take Ami I guess, but so what, Ami's been taken a million times.

What are your ideas? What is the bad that could happen? (last time Yasu said this Makoto's dad "died")

 

[DeSkel15]

I wonder what bad things could even happen. Cause we all know Pareidolia's an ass, but his ultimate objective seems to be to complete the collection, and that's going very well so far. Molly and Touka are more or less ready to go, Yuki and Rin are showing signs, Otoha is being corrupted and Tsukasa's route is open.

Ironically, if Pareidolia just stopped interfering his game would be more or less won. So I don't think the bad things would come from him, but maybe from the other forces fighting against his infinite spring?

Or maybe it has to do with the fourth side of the cross, and that while the three are fighting USER4 will emerge (and maybe even consume them?) - but I don't think Yasu has seen that far or she'd be much more terrified.

So it has to be something bad, but not so bad that it would hurt HOPE... I mean, what Akira even has to lose? Maya's gone already. Someone could take Ami I guess, but so what, Ami's been taken a million times.

What are your ideas? What is the bad that could happen? (last time Yasu said this Makoto's dad "died")

Ami starts butchering and sodomizing. Tsuneyo starts slaying and cannibalizing. Whatever stabbed, murdered, and decorated Ami starts coming for everyone:

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• The Resets stop resetting, and they can no longer just ignore wounds or pregnancy.
• Sensei blacks out and wakes up strangling a corpse.
• Sensei gets reset, but no one else does, and we have to watch him blackout and rape everyone who "loves" him as they beg him to stop.
• Countless memories start returning for the girls, including them being raped by Senseis or killed by whatever.
• Everyone starts getting sick and slowly falling to pieces as their bodies fail them, physically and mentally.
• Etc.

Not being able to stay dead, also isn't inherently good. It just means the suffering never has to end. No escape.

Yasu seems to think everyone's doomed:

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So, these horrible changes may just be the beginning of the end.

Overall: Whatever might be coming in the "Dark Route" was enough for Sel to offer up the "Purity Routes" as rewards for enduring it, it seems.

Edit: Everyone inside the world, burning, may be related to this:

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Beware of the Sky's mighty tendrils.

 

[JelF547]

Oh, and he ignores my comment... very suspicious... you know, i've never seen JelF547 and Dc345 in the same room at the same time... has anyone? Both have only a handful of letters and three numbers in their username... veeeery suspicious if you ask me...

I would deny nothing, try your best

 

[aramaug]

I wonder what bad things could even happen. Cause we all know Pareidolia's an ass, but his ultimate objective seems to be to complete the collection, and that's going very well so far. Molly and Touka are more or less ready to go, Yuki and Rin are showing signs, Otoha is being corrupted and Tsukasa's route is open.

Ironically, if Pareidolia just stopped interfering his game would be more or less won. So I don't think the bad things would come from him, but maybe from the other forces fighting against his infinite spring?

Or maybe it has to do with the fourth side of the cross, and that while the three are fighting USER4 will emerge (and maybe even consume them?) - but I don't think Yasu has seen that far or she'd be much more terrified.

So it has to be something bad, but not so bad that it would hurt HOPE... I mean, what Akira even has to lose? Maya's gone already. Someone could take Ami I guess, but so what, Ami's been taken a million times.

What are your ideas? What is the bad that could happen? (last time Yasu said this Makoto's dad "died")

I've been wondering this myself. Personally, I feel for the dark route to be truly dark, it has to be more than just bad stuff happening in the world; I think Sensei himself has to be responsible for some truly heinous shit. I also don't think it can be Pareidolia forcing him to do things during blackouts (though it might start that way) because Selebus is going to want us to feel that Sensei (and through him, the player) has agency in what happens.

I have a way-out-there pet theory for what might cause Sensei to snap in a way that makes him lose the moral growth he's gained (and not just enter another catatonic state): Ayane had foreknowledge of or even helped cause Maya's death (there are some indications of this with the idea of her being a replacement). Sensei somehow finds out, goes into a fit of rage, maybe even kills Ayane. Then she returns, either immediately like Makoto or during a reset, and Sensei realizes everything is pointless and he can do whatever he wants without repercussions because it will all be reset anyway. Cue depravity. (Again, I think this scenario is very unlikely but has some nonzero chance)

 

[CheleDeCedul]

Also, given the people that gathered, if I'm not mistaken Touka said something to Yasu about healthier ways to evangelize, that's probably why she's there. Sana humours her already, Nodoka would jump at this and Akira is Akira. Kaori however seems to arrive without the party and maybe wasn't even invited, but sent there (?) - I wonder if HOPE is allowing these people to enter, or Yasu's just doing it since their connection is severed.

Would Sana still humour her after the beach scene where Yasu/HOPE berated her for her masturbatory acts? I remember Sana being quite put off by the display, even telling Touka to keep Yasu away from her. For this situation to happen in Hope church, either Sana must be an angel of forgiveness and understanding, or those particular memories were rewritten in a reset.