Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.53.0] [Selebus]

[XHunterz]

Found a game before lesson in love, hopefully selebus release it full version

 

[DeSkel15]

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It seems like the plan is to remake 'Nothing is Beautiful', after 'Lessons in Love' is over.

So, it'll be around 15-16 years until that game is finished, assuming this one takes around 5-6 more, and assuming that game is intended to be around as long as LiL.

There's also the 'Grow Old. Then Die.' side project. Sel is kind of set for life with these games.

 

[LoveWhiteHairedGirl]

Let's try to keep things moving then. If you had to adopt one of the girls from the class who would you choose? I'd go with Yasu, something about her activates my protective instinct.

To be honest, I would not consider adopting any of them. There are too many challenges, considering that all of them have significant mental health issues. However, if I had to choose, I would go with Touka. If she had adopted me, that is.

 

[Moonflare]

I don't really think someone can be "normal" after watching their parents die

Of course they can. Normal doesn't really mean nothing bad ever happened to you, just that the things that happened to you don't rule over your life. I never had my parents die in front of me, but a good amount of people have seen people die in front of them and that doesn't have to ruin the rest of their lives for them. Same logic applies to any sort of trauma more or less.

Was the accident very traumatic for Ami? Most certainly. Was the fact that she has received absolutely no professional help, nor a stable home or dependable adult also a problem? Yes, and I would go so far as saying it is even more problematic than her parents dying. Her parents dying was an event that was deeply traumatic, as was when Miku's parents died - but the aftermath was a continued event that went on for years, hasn't stopped and put such a strain on the mind of a kid that it warped her psyque much more than just them dying.

In other words, by not dealing with it in a proper manner, it's like her parents are still dying. Both her and Akira are, in some level, still on that day, they never left. The fact that Akira calls her daughter and she calls him dad is not just important for their interpersonal relationship, but also, in my view, because it starts to manifest the reality that Nozomu is dead. They form a proper family, they grieve and cry together, they bond over their shared trauma and they take control over their life again despite what happened. It would have been much better to do it then, but it's never too late.

Regardless, this is all a minor point - Ami is the way she is because things were done in the way they were. We'll all just continue hoping she can get as healthy as she can now that Akira's taking responsabilty.

 

[JelF547]

Hey if we're going by those reasons I'll take them all.

All 20 or all 35?

Every god damn day...

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Can't wait to see it in the game. I really hope Selebus would make her character anal-focused, we kinda need it

 

[Detective Dc345]

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[Moonflare]

To be honest, I would not consider adopting any of them. There are too many challenges, considering that all of them have significant mental health issues. However, if I had to choose, I would go with Touka. If she had adopted me, that is.

Your honor, I would like to retract my previous statement and go with this one as well.

 

[DeSkel15]

To be honest, I would not consider adopting any of them. There are too many challenges, considering that all of them have significant mental health issues. However, if I had to choose, I would go with Touka. If she had adopted me, that is.

I was kind of thinking similar. Touka and Ami seem more like they'd adopt others (Yasu vs Sensei). Or even Chika (Yumi).

Of course they can. Normal doesn't really mean nothing bad ever happened to you, just that the things that happened to you don't rule over your life. I never had my parents die in front of me, but a good amount of people have seen people die in front of them and that doesn't have to ruin the rest of their lives for them. Same logic applies to any sort of trauma more or less.

Was the accident very traumatic for Ami? Most certainly. Was the fact that she has received absolutely no professional help, nor a stable home or dependable adult also a problem? Yes, and I would go so far as saying it is even more problematic than her parents dying. Her parents dying was an event that was deeply traumatic, as was when Miku's parents died - but the aftermath was a continued event that went on for years, hasn't stopped and put such a strain on the mind of a kid that it warped her psyque much more than just them dying.

In other words, by not dealing with it in a proper manner, it's like her parents are still dying. Both her and Akira are, in some level, still on that day, they never left. The fact that Akira calls her daughter and she calls him dad is not just important for their interpersonal relationship, but also, in my view, because it starts to manifest the reality that Nozomu is dead. They form a proper family, they grieve and cry together, they bond over their shared trauma and they take control over their life again despite what happened. It would have been much better to do it then, but it's never too late.

Regardless, this is all a minor point - Ami is the way she is because things were done in the way they were. We'll all just continue hoping she can get as healthy as she can now that Akira's taking responsabilty.

I suppose that's an optimistic way of looking at it.

 

[Pedro4545454]

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Will I finally have an answer about the clock room????

 

[JelF547]

Will I finally have an answer about the clock room????

Sorry, no clocks. Welcome to the cock room

 

[Moonflare]

[...] in contrast, I think having someone like Rin as a daughter would get exhausting pretty quickly.

I think Rin's just a teenager. She seems to have clinical depression, so it won't be easy exactly - but a hell of a lot easier than Yasu. And out of having to keep an eye on her regarding her mood shift, she's just a little ball of hormones that still manages to keep a steady job despite her age and issues.

Tsuneyo, Molly, Touka, Otoha, Nodoka, Chika, Noriko, Kirin and Ayane though would be almost zero issues (some have issues but those would be resolved by the adoption). Makoto and Sana are a mixed bag depending on their mental issues. All the others are problematic in one way or another. If we want to go crazy, one could also consider adopting Akira, as Yasu (or someone using her) points out that his issues come from Saki not being a proper mother/creating the crack through which Sekai reached him.

Edit: One could consider adopting Kaori too tbh. She would benefit from a mothermom/fatherdad.

 

[Algorist]

So... it has been a while since the Dorm Wars update. Has anyone come up with a solid theory as to who is the one other referenced here (besides something like her biological father simply being alive somewhere out there, which is a boring possibility):


"That perfect spring day was the last time Sana Sakakibara would ever open her eyes."
"As she collapsed to the ground, her friends rushed to her aid and circled her body. "
"They lifted her up in hopes that they’d be able to save her life..."
"But alas-"
"The school nurse is off on Fridays."
"She is survived by her mother, Sara Sakakibara, and one other."
"She will be buried next to her brother."


There was a slight discussion about this back then, but it got nowhere, I believe. My current theory is that Ami is Sana's half-sister, which would kind of suck, maybe? I mean... I'm split on wanting Ami to be Akira's real daughter or Nozomu's (playing Good Uncle). Sensei can't be Sana's father (perhaps the only way of him conceivably being is: during Sara's pure route, Sensei is sent to the past through godly shenanigans and becomes a teacher at her high school. They fall in love. And the rest is history.)

I remember long feeling like Sana and Sara held a deeper significance. Sara, in particular, seemed a bit more prominent beyond what a character like her would've been in this kind of game (she also has a complex about being a side character, it seems). Hearing that Selebus was excited about Sara's pure route was somewhat of a signal.

It was very encouraging to see this perception addressed by the author directly.

Lamb Legs. I still don't clearly understand what was going on there. I remember feeling confused: why was Ami bringing up Sara, like summoning her? I no longer remember, but was Ami already warmed up to Sara by then? They were like a family there... foreshadowing?

Good Boy. A teenage Sara appears, and (I think) Long Maya asks if Sensei has a more profound relationship with her than merely a sexual one. He's unable to answer. Ties in with my imaginary pure route.

Now Sara wants to become a family (honestly, I think she'd be great; unfortunately, I don't think she can compete with Niki. Perhaps she has a chance if Niki doesn't actually "exist." Something Himawari alludes to.) is this perhaps foreshadowing 2?

I think Sara's past holds some of the keys to solving LiL.

Anyway, I'm extremely interested in this particular subplot.

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

Let's try to keep things moving then. If you had to adopt one of the girls from the class who would you choose? I'd go with Yasu, something about her activates my protective instinct.

I am not sure I want to answer this question, having to speculate on a girl to adopt when you have jerked off to all of them seems very wrong.

By process of elimination I'd have to choose Tsuneyo since she's the only one I never had any indecent thoughts about


Edit: Here's a curveball answer - I'd adopt Akira, he's probably the one who needs a parent figure the most, of coure this would have to be a younger version since I can't adopt someone who's much older than me

 

[DeSkel15]

So... it has been a while since the Dorm Wars update. Has anyone come up with a solid theory as to who is the one other referenced here (besides something like her biological father simply being alive somewhere out there, which is a boring possibility):


"That perfect spring day was the last time Sana Sakakibara would ever open her eyes."
"As she collapsed to the ground, her friends rushed to her aid and circled her body. "
"They lifted her up in hopes that they’d be able to save her life..."
"But alas-"
"The school nurse is off on Fridays."
"She is survived by her mother, Sara Sakakibara, and one other."
"She will be buried next to her brother."


There was a slight discussion about this back then, but it got nowhere, I believe. My current theory is that Ami is Sana's half-sister, which would kind of suck, maybe? I mean... I'm split on wanting Ami to be Akira's real daughter or Nozomu's (playing Good Uncle). Sensei can't be Sana's father (perhaps the only way of him conceivably being is: during Sara's pure route, Sensei is sent to the past through godly shenanigans and becomes a teacher at her high school. They fall in love. And the rest is history.)

I remember long feeling like Sana and Sara held a deeper significance. Sara, in particular, seemed a bit more prominent beyond what a character like her would've been in this kind of game (she also has a complex about being a side character, it seems). Hearing that Selebus was excited about Sara's pure route was somewhat of a signal.

It was very encouraging to see this perception addressed by the author directly.

Lamb Legs. I still don't clearly understand what was going on there. I remember feeling confused: why was Ami bringing up Sara, like summoning her? I no longer remember, but was Ami already warmed up to Sara by then? They were like a family there... foreshadowing?

Good Boy. A teenage Sara appears, and (I think) Long Maya asks if Sensei has a more profound relationship with her than merely a sexual one. He's unable to answer. Ties in with my imaginary pure route.

Now Sara wants to become a family (honestly, I think she'd be great; unfortunately, I don't think she can compete with Niki. Perhaps she has a chance if Niki doesn't actually "exist." Something Himawari alludes to.) is this perhaps foreshadowing 2?

I think Sara's past holds some of the keys to solving LiL.

Anyway, I'm extremely interested in this particular subplot.

I'm still wondering if Sara is pregnant, tbh. Her crying during 'Goodnight' back in Chapter 2:

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Could have been related to her being pregnant.

Sana finding Condoms which Sara has never even tried using with Sensei, implies she at least tried to be active:

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Then there's how Sara's considered a "whore mother" and to have lay'd down for something:

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And how Sara has joked about being pregnant before 'Goodnight':

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Or it's really just implying that Sana's dad is alive. If Ami or Sensei were related through this, there'd be two others instead of one, I'd think.

Could be Rin, I suppose. Same father different mother. Rin is younger than Sana, so she could be her younger sister maybe. Might even be Maya or some other girl who's parentage isn't clear.

 

[aramaug]

I think Rin's just a teenager. She seems to have clinical depression, so it won't be easy exactly - but a hell of a lot easier than Yasu. And out of having to keep an eye on her regarding her mood shift, she's just a little ball of hormones that still manages to keep a steady job despite her age and issues.

No disagreements here. To be clear, I have no issues with Rin personally, I'd enjoy having her as a friend. It's more a me issue in that I'd struggle to be around someone that high energy on a daily basis, especially if I'm responsible for raising them.

So... it has been a while since the Dorm Wars update. Has anyone come up with a solid theory as to who is the one other referenced here (besides something like her biological father simply being alive somewhere out there, which is a boring possibility):


"That perfect spring day was the last time Sana Sakakibara would ever open her eyes."
"As she collapsed to the ground, her friends rushed to her aid and circled her body. "
"They lifted her up in hopes that they’d be able to save her life..."
"But alas-"
"The school nurse is off on Fridays."
"She is survived by her mother, Sara Sakakibara, and one other."
"She will be buried next to her brother."


There was a slight discussion about this back then, but it got nowhere, I believe. My current theory is that Ami is Sana's half-sister, which would kind of suck, maybe? I mean... I'm split on wanting Ami to be Akira's real daughter or Nozomu's (playing Good Uncle). Sensei can't be Sana's father (perhaps the only way of him conceivably being is: during Sara's pure route, Sensei is sent to the past through godly shenanigans and becomes a teacher at her high school. They fall in love. And the rest is history.)

It could be as simple as Sana's father is still alive, but that would be boring.

It's very speculative, but also a definite possibility that Nozomu was Sana's dad, which would make her either Ami's half-sister or cousin. There's a bit of light foreshadowing early in the game that they're related - it's in a recent post I made rounding up various Chapter 1 stuff if you want to search for it. HOPE/Nozomu took a special interest in Sara for reasons that still haven't been explained, maybe it's because he had a relationship with her in life. I take "Good Boy" to show that Sara went to a school with some significance to Akira's past. Maybe Sekai taught there, though it's more likely she taught younger kids, so maybe Nozomu taught there. We don't know whether he was a teacher or not, but it could explain how he met Sekai. We do know Sana's father was married. Maybe teachers molesting their students is an Arakawa family tradition.

It's also possible that Akira went to the same school. At some point he thinks about what it would have been like to go to school with Sara, which seemed suggestive to me. The fact that they don't remember each other is explained nicely by Akira's missing memory and HOPE altering Sara's memories. If it's true, the Sara/Sana plot could develop by Sensei recovering memories of her.

I'm still wondering if Sara is pregnant, tbh. Her crying during 'Goodnight' back in Chapter 2:

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Could have been related to her being pregnant.

We still see her drink to excess after this, right? Mother of the year material if she does know she's pregnant.

Then there's how Sara's considered a "whore mother" and to have lay'd down for something:

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This line is actually one of the reasons I think that Sara could have had a sexual relationship with HOPE/Nozomu. I think HOPE (or more likely Pareidolia pretending to be HOPE) is implying that Sara lay down like a whore for him.

 

[Moonflare]

At this point, Nozomu could have been Sara's boyfriend (Akira doesn't seem to have been him because Sara doesn't recognize him when he meets her teenage self) - but I really wish he wasn't. I think it would cheapen the narrative.

If Nozomu was a piece of shit, like you guys said, it would make the Arakawa family this pit of cursed crap. Nozomu was a molester (for some reason), then he gets married to Sekai (which is also a molester), and then Akira becomes a molester, and and then their daughter becomes an incest/molestee spokesperson. It's just too much for me, and if Nozomu was indeed a piece of shit, why Saki hated Akira specifically?

That would be like, yes, Saki was a normal mom to Nozomu, so he got married and molested students. Saki was a piece of shit mom to Akira, so he got molested and learned to molest students. Well, that's a surefire way to inform Saki that her parenting was irrelevant lol

Granted, that one happy event "something everyone ignores" (?) mentions a background that could be from homossexuality and that would have to be either Akira's or Nozomu's. If it is that of course, because it could simply be from Akira being "overly" sexual from a young age as well, and Saki having him swallow soap for it. Nozomu being gay and turning that into abusing girls instead, marrying someone that didn't like him, abusing her too (Sekai says to Akira "you don't even know what you brother did to me last night" or something - which again, makes me really doubt that Sekai "loved" Akira at all from this kind of torment), would fit into him being abused by Saki as well, which would fit her MO.

There's no real conclusion here, I can see it happening, I just wish it doesn't. Have Nozomu be a normal dude from a religious family that considers mental issues being demonic. Have Saki "abusing" Akira by alternating between having traumatic flashbacks from Akira having inherited Yuu's mental issues, and jumping into his bed sometimes to cry while holding him. Have that be the way a "harmless" person creeped in and tainted her son without them noticing. Have the accident happen because Nozomu finally confronts Sekai about it "why did it have to be him?". I feel that's already a lot. I'd rather it not become more convoluted.

Edit: This entire post is a supposition.

 

[Pedro4545454]

I remember that the pure routes will focus on the girls, but one doubt, will they focus on Akira getting with those girls or will they just focus on the girls ???? because there is a big difference if it is option two

I don't know if I'm thinking too much because of the large amount of Yuri content there is, but I'm really fucking fear of the pure routes being without Akira in them.

 

[DeSkel15]

At this point, Nozomu could have been Sara's boyfriend (Akira doesn't seem to have been him because Sara doesn't recognize him when he meets her teenage self) - but I really wish he wasn't. I think it would cheapen the narrative.

If Nozomu was a piece of shit, like you guys said, it would make the Arakawa family this pit of cursed crap. Nozomu was a molester (for some reason), then he gets married to Sekai (which is also a molester), and then Akira becomes a molester, and and then their daughter becomes an incest/molestee spokesperson. It's just too much for me, and if Nozomu was indeed a piece of shit, why Saki hated Akira specifically?

That would be like, yes, Saki was a normal mom to Nozomu, so he got married and molested students. Saki was a piece of shit mom to Akira, so he got molested and learned to molest students. Well, that's a surefire way to inform Saki that her parenting was irrelevant lol

Granted, that one happy event "something everyone ignores" (?) mentions a background that could be from homossexuality and that would have to be either Akira's or Nozomu's. If it is that of course, because it could simply be from Akira being "overly" sexual from a young age as well, and Saki having him swallow soap for it. Nozomu being gay and turning that into abusing girls instead, marrying someone that didn't like him, abusing her too (Sekai says to Akira "you don't even know what you brother did to me last night" or something - which again, makes me really doubt that Sekai "loved" Akira at all from this kind of torment), would fit into him being abused by Saki as well, which would fit her MO.

There's no real conclusion here, I can see it happening, I just wish it doesn't. Have Nozomu be a normal dude from a religious family that considers mental issues being demonic. Have Saki "abusing" Akira by alternating between having traumatic flashbacks from Akira having inherited Yuu's mental issues, and jumping into his bed sometimes to cry while holding him. Have that be the way a "harmless" person creeped in and tainted her son without them noticing. Have the accident happen because Nozomu finally confronts Sekai about it "why did it have to be him?". I feel that's already a lot. I'd rather it not become more convoluted.

Edit: This entire post is a supposition.

I do prefer Nozomu just being normal. This is how Ami described him:

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Him being a cultist or a molester like Sekai and Sensei seems a little unnecessary. Then again he shares his name with a god according to a Narrator, which they also claim was said to be callous, so who knows.

And yeah, it was the 'Something Everyone Knows And Ignores' (S.E.K.A.I.) Happy Event, that mentioned someone not being allowed to embrace their sexuality, and them taking it out on flowers, etc.

 

[Moonflare]

I'm still wondering if Sara is pregnant, tbh. Her crying during 'Goodnight' back in Chapter 2:

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Could have been related to her being pregnant.

Sana finding Condoms which Sara has never even tried using with Sensei, implies she at least tried to be active:

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Then there's how Sara's considered a "whore mother" and to have lay'd down for something:

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And how Sara has joked about being pregnant before 'Goodnight':

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Or it's really just implying that Sana's dad is alive. If Ami or Sensei were related through this, there'd be two others instead of one, I'd think.

Could be Rin, I suppose. Same father different mother. Rin is younger than Sana, so she could be her younger sister maybe. Might even be Maya or some other girl who's parentage isn't clear.

Sara admits to Akira that she lied about going a long time without sex, and that she was afraid he'd judge her for it. Which begs the question as to with whom she was having sex when no one came to the bar in the first place. The condoms though were all way past their expiration dates, if I recall correctly that's why Sana apologises later.

A condom is valid for a long time though, and it wouldn't make sense for it to be resets interfering with it (otherwise it would interfere with expiration dates for everything). So either Sara was so poor that she was using old condoms to have sex with another man just before the resets started (and in her mind that's recent), or she's having a dude on the side (which would be even more unlikely, actually impossible from a narrative cohesion angle).

The thing about goodnight is that Sara's scene doesn't have a check to see if she's having sex with Akira, which would make it possible to not be his child. Which would make it possible for one of the "Akira's girls" to be carrying a child from another man, which I very much doubt would happen in LiL.

What "The dark. The light" says to her is "why does it have to hurt so much", which if I recall correctly is mostly a chapter 1 thing. Maybe aramaug is able to take a look at what it references exactly, since he's just done replaying through it. I don't recall if it was ever revealed what it means, or to whom it refers.

 

[DeSkel15]

I remember that the pure routes will focus on the girls, but one doubt, will they focus on Akira getting with those girls or will they just focus on the girls ???? because there is a big difference if it is option two

I don't know if I'm thinking too much because of the large amount of Yuri content there is, but I'm really fucking fear of the pure routes being without Akira in them.

It turns out the Purity Routes will actually be about Prince Ami building her harem.
Jk.

They are supposed to be a reward for the players, so I doubt Sensei, who some see themselves as, will be getting cucked.