Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.53.0] [Selebus]

[barglenarglezous]

Putting some stray thoughts down.

Io mentioned the ways people typically respond to childhood sexual abuse -- hypersexuality and sexual revulsion. this has got me thinking.

Nozomu fucked the world into existence. Did he abuse Sekai? Is Sekai the way she is because of what Nozomu did to her? After all Sekai is the World (literal translation). Then he died.

Is HOPE one potential outcome for Sensei. He becomes the specific type of monster that Nozomu was -- he definitely begins the game on the path. Is HOPE simply the manifestation of his hypersexual desires, and not an external being at all?

Is Wires the other path -- sexual revulsion?
Potential connective tissue -- Tsuneyo is directly connected to wires, is also non-sexual, and also has a thing about amusement parks

If both of the above are yes, what does that make Paredolia and User 4? I would guess User 4 is what happens after you've processed the trauma in a healthy way, and that's why we haven't met them yet, but I don't have an explanation for Paredolia, yet.

 

[Moonflare]

That seems the most logical, Pareidolia seems the most latched onto Akira as well, if that makes sense.
In my opinion, Himawari definitely has her own goals, or desires at least. She seems to want to act of her own accord if possible or hint to there being a reason why she does what she does. She also seems to be unable to interfere with or stop the other users/gods directly, likely having to go with the flow most of the time. Currently trying to remember a specific event, but for the life of me I cant find it and might be mixing it up with another. Either way, I see her as sort of a meddler, whether or not she's being directed at any moment, and her character seems to imply a less selfish/grandiose plan than someone like Hope.

We've spent a significant amount of time theorizing about her, we can probably help you out with the event's name if you give some details. But yeah, she's definitely a minor player trying her best to bend the rules when she can. DeSkel pointed out that her main goal is to survive, since she's a possibility at the moment. Her secondary goal seems to be protecting Ayane, which links to the first - and that's probably why Ayane is shielded in "Paper City".

However, Himawari also wants for Akira to get through all his trials with the least amount of pain necessary. That isn't necessary for her goal of surviving, so from there we can surmise she really cares for him (that's seen in her conversation with Long Maya during "Untitled").

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

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[PhiloPhilo]

We've spent a significant amount of time theorizing about her, we can probably help you out with the event's name if you give some details. But yeah, she's definitely a minor player trying her best to bend the rules when she can. DeSkel pointed out that her main goal is to survive, since she's a possibility at the moment. Her secondary goal seems to be protecting Ayane, which links to the first - and that's probably why Ayane is shielded in "Paper City".

However, Himawari also wants for Akira to get through all his trials with the least amount of pain necessary. That isn't necessary for her goal of surviving, so from there we can surmise she really cares for him (that's seen in her conversation with Long Maya during "Untitled").

Untitled is exactly what I was thinking of, I just completely glossed over it. You're an absolute lad. For a second, I thought I made it up. She's clearly distraught about the whole thing, but doesn't even say a word when told they'd "file a complaint" about her, which is what was stuck in my head. It's obvious that she wants to do what she can but ultimately can't meddle much. Tonally, she's very different from any other "entities" as well.
I've read a few of the posts speculating about her, but only really only the tip of the iceberg. I'll have to read some of DeSkel's posts.

 

[Kitty Hawk]

I tried to make a song about LiL:

 

[Qrash]

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[Pedro4545454]

I tried to make a song about LiL:

If you could put the lyrics here it would be especially good for those with an average level of English (aka me hahaha) to help them better understand what is said in the song

Edit: Did you use an AI to create this?? because it was good even though I couldn't translate some parts.

 

[Kitty Hawk]

If you could put the lyrics here it would be especially good for those with an average level of English (aka me hahaha) to help them better understand what is said in the song

Edit: Did you use an AI to create this?? because it was good even though I couldn't translate some parts.

Yes, both to write and then to sing it. The lyrics:

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[MagnusAxess]

Haven't looked at this in awhile. I have version 0.28 does it matter which version for the patch or is it patching everywhere up to current? Never used a patch that big of a gap.

 

[Pedro4545454]

Yes, both to write and then to sing it. The lyrics:

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What AI did you use to create the voice and melody??? It was very good in my opinion.

 

[Kitty Hawk]

What AI did you use to create the voice and melody??? It was very good in my opinion.

I used Udio. I tried Suno, but it wasn't good enough, and I ran out of credits there.

 

[Moonflare]

Untitled is exactly what I was thinking of, I just completely glossed over it. You're an absolute lad. For a second, I thought I made it up. She's clearly distraught about the whole thing, but doesn't even say a word when told they'd "file a complaint" about her, which is what was stuck in my head. It's obvious that she wants to do what she can but ultimately can't meddle much. Tonally, she's very different from any other "entities" as well.
I've read a few of the posts speculating about her, but only really only the tip of the iceberg. I'll have to read some of DeSkel's posts.

This is a list of events where Himawari has a physical appearance. She also shows up as a doll in one event, but I can't remember its name.

"room with the clocks", "scientific research", "place she falls asleep at night", "glued to the sky", "three halves make a whole", " a life of prizes (dance party)", "beyond the reach of god", "ad meliora", "hiding in plain sight", "event with the japanese title", "untitled", "rough cuts", "hyzenthlay (not a physical appearance, but what she says as the narrator is relevant)", "fairytale (the end until tomorrow)", "flowerchild" (her reveal as a narrator).

Please take note that some of these require either cheating or green route (all events triggered), and can't be seen in replay (unless manually triggered through URM).

 

[Bingoogus]

Haven't looked at this in awhile. I have version 0.28 does it matter which version for the patch or is it patching everywhere up to current? Never used a patch that big of a gap.

No, you'll need to download the entire game again, the patches only add the files between single versions, eg, 0.36->0.37 patch. Actually, i believe 0.28 is before the rework, so you'd have to redownload the game anyway as your version would throw errors sporadically even if you downloaded each sequential patch by digging through the release history.

 

[Jeraviel]

Putting some stray thoughts down.

Io mentioned the ways people typically respond to childhood sexual abuse -- hypersexuality and sexual revulsion. this has got me thinking.

Nozomu fucked the world into existence. Did he abuse Sekai? Is Sekai the way she is because of what Nozomu did to her? After all Sekai is the World (literal translation). Then he died.

If Sekai was just another victim in the past, this could honestly ruin her character for me.
Even before she started appearing as a ghost and puppeteering Akira once more, she was always a very scary entity for me, on par with the other Gods and angels

She always felt like more than just a predator, more than just a poet, more than just a mother. A genius who became a monster because of her twisted desires and fantasies, corrupting everyone around her, someone who would use and discard people on a whim, keeping Nozomu and Akira as her favorites. Someone who not even death was enough to get rid of her.

If she is just another victim who became the perpetrator/predator, that would be boring. the cycle of violence & abuse and revenge is bad and bla bla bla bla fuck that

 

[Moonflare]

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I have written such a long post about this that I hardly have anything else to say. However, if we are to focus on how this can go into the future, well, I don't think it necessarily will go badly tbh. Which is not saying she'll be fixed by sex either. There's a middleground here.

Spoiler: how may Io and Uta react to this?

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Edit: And yeah, stomachache definitely happens in real life.

 

[Riolol]

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Edit: Don't act like you won't be doing the same.

 

[Bingoogus]

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[Moonflare]

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Edit: Don't act like you won't be doing the same.

I will definitely be doing the same. First thought I had with Maki's lust name was Masahiro. I'm here to break the world whenever I can and look for clues amid the wreckage

On a serious note though, do you know what really disturbs me about Io's background? Her father. Cause from her explanation, he never participated (also because she's not afraid of men). And from "maybe he killed them both by now", he was not okay with it either. At least not fully. She doesn't say "maybe my mother killed herself", she says "maybe my father killed them both". I read this as her mother never repenting, but her father probably had visible enough guilt for her to consider this possibility. Yeah, another fucked up point in a fucked up story.

 

[Riolol]

I will definitely be doing the same. First thought I had with Maki's lust name was Masahiro. I'm here to break the world whenever I can and look for clues amid the wreckage

On a serious note though, do you know what really disturbs me about Io's background? Her father. Cause from her explanation, he never participated (also because she's not afraid of men). And from "maybe he killed them both by now", he was not okay with it either. At least not fully. She doesn't say "maybe my mother killed herself", she says "maybe my father killed them both". I read this as her mother never repenting, but her father probably had visible enough guilt for her to consider this possibility. Yeah, another fucked up point in a fucked up story.

She called him "silent" or something like that which to implied to me he stood by and didn't say anything while she was being abused.

 

[Jeraviel]

I have written such a long post about this that I hardly have anything else to say. However, if we are to focus on how this can go into the future, well, I don't think it necessarily will go badly tbh. Which is not saying she'll be fixed by sex either. There's a middleground here.

Spoiler: how may Io and Uta react to this?

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Edit: And yeah, stomachache definitely happens in real life.

I don't know, I still think this is too much of a wish-fullthinking situation. I'm not saying you are delusional or wrong, but what I'm saying is that if Selebus decides to go down that route I might scoff at it.

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