Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.53.0] [Selebus]

[PhiloPhilo]

Most of this post are random theories. You're unlikely to lose anything by not reading it. You have been warned.

Spoiler: AmIOkay

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Personally, I believe that there isn't just one entity called AmIOkay. At different times she displays different personalities and different goals. In some later happy events we see multiple Mayas in the background, which I suspect are just different versions of AmIOkay. I've said before that I like the idea that a new AmIOkay is produced from every reset version of Maya, though I'm not sure how her Sekai connections fit into that.

It took me some time, but I'm partial to the idea that AmIOkay is another Maya or part of her. AmIOkay might even be what happens if someone isn't brought back in time as has been somewhat alluded to. As far as there being multiple AmIOkays, I don't see anything stopping that from being the case, my only guess would be that AmIOkay needing to be a version of Maya that has gained enough insight into the resets and world before being reset to turn into her. I think it's also possible that her personality is simply split or erratic, and/or she's influenced by her location and possibly one of the user(s).

AmIOkay being a Maya from another cycle is interesting but really fucks up some things.Maya has said that she has been doing this for god knows how long.So in order for THIS maya to exist that means that somewhere in the long line of cycles Maya lost her memory>Countless cycles passed>Regained it>Even more cycles passed>Game begun.Unless you want to make the argument that AmIOkay was "created" in the very first cycles of the game where Maya was still vurnerable and didnt know any better.

As far as Maya having been reset in the first place, and possibly leaving the note before-this, it might seem strange at first. But as far as I'm aware, we're not told outright that Maya has been doing this continuously, from start from cycle one. Even if she had a role to play in starting the cycles through her connection to the shrine or wish, she never says or is said to have (from what I remember, please correct) that she was there during the first reset or caused it, and hasn't stopped. She's just been doing it for a long time, but a long time out of an uncountable or an infinity is still just a small percentage. Even if she thinks she saw the first cycle, it's possible that she's wrong, if her memory of previous cycles was gone.
As far as the note, it might not seem like it makes a lot of sense either, but I think there's a couple ways to justify it being there. One is that the board seems to be an afterthought, for Akira specifically, just a board with old sticky notes on it that he only really looks at with much care during resets. Another is if Maya really has been reset, it's likely she's gotten to a point of trying to do something about it before. Like I said I think having enough knowledge or otherwise would probably be a prerequisite to having an AmIOkay appear after you're reset. Maya Prime had seemingly tried everything she thought of to fix things, which would give her reason to leave the note, but also call into question why she never did but a previous Maya did. Maybe Maya Prime is a dumbass. This is all a little speculative, though.

As far as these several hidden places go, they may not be the same exact thing, but I feel like they all have to have some correlation. Aramaug summed it up better than I can. It just irks me. I'm a sad boi. Had a train of thought before being dragged to the bar against my will last night. Must think more about what these places mean metaphorically.

 

[PhiloPhilo]

That and 'where would the poop go?' are two very obvious problems with that train of thought, but i fully stand by it, you'd have to get a crowbar to prise my face from it.

Lessons in Love themed human centipede

 

[Comiies]

It took me some time, but I'm partial to the idea that AmIOkay is another Maya or part of her. AmIOkay might even be what happens if someone isn't brought back in time as has been somewhat alluded to. As far as there being multiple AmIOkays, I don't see anything stopping that from being the case, my only guess would be that AmIOkay needing to be a version of Maya that has gained enough insight into the resets and world before being reset to turn into her. I think it's also possible that her personality is simply split or erratic, and/or she's influenced by her location and possibly one of the user(s).


As far as Maya having been reset in the first place, and possibly leaving the note before-this, it might seem strange at first. But as far as I'm aware, we're not told outright that Maya has been doing this continuously, from start from cycle one. Even if she had a role to play in starting the cycles through her connection to the shrine or wish, she never says or is said to have (from what I remember, please correct) that she was there during the first reset or caused it, and hasn't stopped. She's just been doing it for a long time, but a long time out of an uncountable or an infinity is still just a small percentage. Even if she thinks she saw the first cycle, it's possible that she's wrong, if her memory of previous cycles was gone.
As far as the note, it might not seem like it makes a lot of sense either, but I think there's a couple ways to justify it being there. One is that the board seems to be an afterthought, for Akira specifically, just a board with old sticky notes on it that he only really looks at with much care during resets. Another is if Maya really has been reset, it's likely she's gotten to a point of trying to do something about it before. Like I said I think having enough knowledge or otherwise would probably be a prerequisite to having an AmIOkay appear after you're reset. Maya Prime had seemingly tried everything she thought of to fix things, which would give her reason to leave the note, but also call into question why she never did but a previous Maya did. Maybe Maya Prime is a dumbass. This is all a little speculative, though.

As far as these several hidden places go, they may not be the same exact thing, but I feel like they all have to have some correlation. Aramaug summed it up better than I can. It just irks me. I'm a sad boi. Had a train of thought before being dragged to the bar against my will last night. Must think more about what these places mean metaphorically.

Didnt she say what we(aka her and akira) were there from the beginning?Like word for word.Thats where im basing this of off at least.

 

[Moonflare]

Didnt she say what we(aka her and akira) were there from the beginning?Like word for word.Thats where im basing this of off at least.

Pareidolia says that the time Maya has been going through the cycles would make her a tadpole next to how long he has waited for his season to come back. So it's likely that our Maya became awake from some point, but not from the start (there are actually some hints throughout the game that the one that guided her when she first awoke could have been Akira - but these are very minor and unclear to count as evidence).

Spoiler: On the count of three

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As to being a tadpole being swallowed by its mother frog, it could mean a lot of things. Like our Maya being a fragment of a bigger Maya (kind of like Akira), and being factory reset simply means that this fragment was returned to the actual bigger Maya.

Although it could also just mean that she was dragged back to the system/simulation/NAO that created her/allowed her to persist through the resets. It definitely seems like she drowned in the well:

Spoiler: miserably ever after

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That's Maya's letter on the background, and it isn't signed. So it would make sense that she's the one signing it through the narration.

Edit: The possibility of Maya being the one narrating "Miserably ever after" is the biggest counter to Himawari being the one narrating it. We just don't know. I, for one, am on the camp that at the very least the narrator (whoever that is) is referencing both Narrator Maya and Himawari when they say that "we're coming for you".

 

[PhiloPhilo]

Didnt she say what we(aka her and akira) were there from the beginning?Like word for word.Thats where im basing this of off at least.

I don't think so, but I genuinely might just be missing that event/dialogue if she did. Technically everyone was, well, alive and everything, but Akira explicitly was "gone" for a trillion years or however long. If he was there in the beginning and even going to the rooftop, he got killed (reset) like a bozo. So he could have been there at the start, but has not been there since the start (uninterrupted.) And the same could be true of Maya Prime, even if she thinks she has been, since she could be fallible for a number of reasons. The note might even hint towards that. Or be nothing.
Give it like 30 minutes to a couple hours, and someone much smarter and more attractive than me will jump in and confirm or give relevant dialogue

Edit before this reply is even posted: Moonflare has blessed us with their grace. It's like I can see the future or something.

 

[shmurfer]

Spoiler: Scientific Research

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Spoiler: Miserably Ever After

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Have people ground for these dialogue options legitimately?

 

[DeSkel15]

For those interested, Maya Prime did imply she has been around since the first time the world ended:

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Of course, she's also admitted to lying all the time, and there's always the possibility that she is simply programmed to think what she does, like possibly everybody, on top of that.

 

[Comiies]

For those interested, Maya Prime did imply she has been around since the first time the world ended:

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Of course, she's also admitted to lying all the time, and there's always the possibility that she is simply programmed to think what she does, like possibly everybody, on top of that.

Ah yes the good ol "Nobody other than me is real" technique.I wonder if a time will come where sensei will employ this tactic to drown out his guilt.

Also the karaoke reminded me of Kirin finding out that we nearly raped her sister.Man she is trying REALLY hard to not avoid the "Trash human being" allegations huh

 

[Breadtaker]

For those interested, Maya Prime did imply she has been around since the first time the world ended:

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Of course, she's also admitted to lying all the time, and there's always the possibility that she is simply programmed to think what she does, like possibly everybody, on top of that.

From her perspective there wouldn't be a way of knowing if there were cycles prior to her first. New Maya would probably think the same thing if it weren't for Ayane spoiling things.

 

[Moonflare]

For those interested, Maya Prime did imply she has been around since the first time the world ended:

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Of course, she's also admitted to lying all the time, and there's always the possibility that she is simply programmed to think what she does, like possibly everybody, on top of that.

Also, important to note "the first time the world ended" for her. Any Maya that was factory reset and witnessed a reset would treat it as the first time it happened.

 

[Moonflare]

Also the karaoke reminded me of Kirin finding out that we nearly raped her sister.Man she is trying REALLY hard to not avoid the "Trash human being" allegations huh

If Akira really had raped Karin, I think there's a somewhat relevant chance of Kirin having sex with him there regardless. And even if that isn't true, the mere fact that I don't know for sure would be proof of how much of a bad joke she is.

Have people ground for these dialogue options legitimately?

You get a cheater flag (?) for the first one. For the second one it's possible to do, since you can repeat Ayane's farmable events as much as you want before it.

 

[Comiies]

If Akira really had raped Karin, I think there's a somewhat relevant chance of Kirin having sex with him there regardless. And even if that isn't true, the mere fact that I don't know for sure would be proof of how much of a bad joke she is.



You get a cheater flag (?) for the first one. For the second one it's possible to do, since you can repeat Ayane's farmable events as much as you want before it.

I was trying so hard to defend my girl.Like i can somehow see it,i can justify everything but like after the whole Karin thing...Still though we need a Kirin redemption Arc.

 

[hendrixx77]

just patiently waiting for more molly content to come

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

Spoiler: Himawari and Akira fuck

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[Kitty Hawk]

just patiently waiting for more molly content to come

Spoiler: Molly gets fucked in the mouth :)

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[Moonflare]

just patiently waiting for more molly content to come

Her repeatable blowjob was unexpectedly good. Horny irish gamer is truly unleashed.

Spoiler: molly

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I mean, at one point I realised I was posting the whole event. Hot stuff. Good for Molly. She deserves this and more.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

We first see the MM note during the second reset. We don't know for sure that it wasn't there before that, because we never see the board, but it would be odd if it was there before the first reset, since it would be meaningless/confusing to Sensei.

I have a strange proposition about this but I'll make a detour to an age-old question of mine first: when exactly did Maya leave her girl intro journal in Sensei's room?

If a reset "prior to the starting of the game" kills a previous Sensei iteration and places Maya also at Thursday afternoon, the exact same time when our Sensei wakes up 10 min after the class ended, how does she find the time to craft the journal, place it in Sensei's room, come back to the bistro for a suspiciously coincidental meetup with the new Sensei? How did she manage to do all that within the short timespan between Every Day I Grow Some More and A New You?

I would probably give a pass to the assumption where Maya just does all these works very very quickly as soon as a new cycle starts, and she does all that just in time so that a new and oblivious Sensei can have a guide to read on day one. Imagining this amount of rapid and hectic efforts from Maya every time a Sensei died is honestly pretty funny.

However, if (a big if) these materials left in Sensei's room somehow can persist throughout resets regardless of outcomes, the same way how the urban development in Kumon-mi manages to move through time normally, that means a journal will always be in Sensei's room when he starts and that journal is in fact a relic from many many cycles ago, kinda like a rougelite upgrade.

And I'll throw the same hypothesis at the MM note as well, that this note is a relic from a much much earlier cycle, but Maya did not remember it either due to tampered memory from mechanisms unknown or a failed reset. The order of events would look something like this:

During the very first few cycles, Maya didn't know the password and thus had left the MM note on the wall → Maya lost her memory about this either due to a failed reset or other unknown mechanisms → the note persisted even if its owner didn't → Maya figured about Boobies123 via some BTS means and thus had no need to leave any note of any sort → Maya crafted the journal and left it there after witnessing so many Senseis being miserable on their first day → the journal becomes an item that will always be in Sensei's room when a new cycle starts → Lessons In Love

Again this is all based on that big if I have no way of proving it.

 

[PhiloPhilo]

Spoiler: molly

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[Moonflare]

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That's all roleplay, she's actually over 2000 years old, and her real name is Scathach, a renowned teacher that resides in the isle of skye and shadow. Hence, she'd be legal even if she wasn't just a fictional character. Also a mythical irish celtic legend, but let's not sweat the small stuff.

 

[PhiloPhilo]

That's all roleplay, she's actually over 2000 years old, and her real name is Scathach, a renowned teacher that resides in the isle of skye and shadow. Hence, she'd be legal even if she wasn't just a fictional character. Also a mythical irish celtic legend, but let's not sweat the small stuff.

I forgot all characters depicted were millions of years old. Those Celtic legends are something else.
If only I ever had a cute Irish student.