Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.53.0] [Selebus]

[PhiloPhilo]

Yes yes your rhetoric is always a joy to read and your dick is huge.

Now flirting aside i wanna talk about Himawari.Specifically her contract.

We know that it forces her to do MANY things that she doesnt want to.Like hurting Akira and actively participating in the events surrounding him(Hence why she cant say her name for example but she COULD save ayane).Sure the identity of the god/s that she entered the contract WITH is important and all but i blieve there is a question that takes priority.

Why? Why would himawari enter a contract with a clearly abusive god/s(More so than Pareidolia)? I predict that everything concerning himawari will either be retconned and forgotten OR its the actual endgame of the game.A wild guess could be that himawari entered into this contract in order to get Akira(and everyone evolved) out of the circles and back to reality.

Anyways do share your theories.Not like we have anything better to do until the update hits tmr

Pretty miniscule, actually
My overall view of Himawari has always been that she exists in some sort of state of limbo, however you want to define it or how it works. She likely entered a contract because she didn't really have a choice or another good option to meet her goals. She's clearly less "powerful" or capable of doing much compared to/against the users and the fucked up Mayas, or just changing much in general. She may not even have the ability to move around, shapeshift, or exist within kumon-mi or the world without her contract and what she gains out of it. Assuming what we assume about her is true, you could argue she shouldn't even just be dead, she herself should have been retconned, or stuck in a similar place to Maya Prime. She's a real comic book ass character. Something like user x/person says to Himawari "I'll let you live/do x if you do y" isn't far-fetched IMO. The thing is we don't really know, and I'm pretty sure it is end-game stuff, at least chapter cinco stuff. Our role as readers is to eat the slop selebussy puts in our troughs and go "Oooh what's it mean??"

Spoiler: Himawari in chapter 6

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[DeSkel15]

Yes yes your rhetoric is always a joy to read and your dick is huge.

Now flirting aside i wanna talk about Himawari.Specifically her contract.

We know that it forces her to do MANY things that she doesnt want to.Like hurting Akira and actively participating in the events surrounding him(Hence why she cant say her name for example but she COULD save ayane).Sure the identity of the god/s that she entered the contract WITH is important and all but i blieve there is a question that takes priority.

Why? Why would himawari enter a contract with a clearly abusive god/s(More so than Pareidolia)? I predict that everything concerning himawari will either be retconned and forgotten OR its the actual endgame of the game.A wild guess could be that himawari entered into this contract in order to get Akira(and everyone evolved) out of the circles and back to reality.

Anyways do share your theories.Not like we have anything better to do until the update hits tmr

In theory: To protect her existence and make the world better in her opinion:

The Shapeshifter's/Himawari's goal seems mostly to survive/exist.

Long Maya implied that she was scared of revealing the name of Ayane's lost baby as it'd affect her future:

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And a Narrator, which may be her, more or less said "I'm helping cause I want to exist" in the 'World of Lines' Chapter 3 Main Event:

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So, in theory, she's doing all that she can to ensure a possible future comes to past, so that she can safely exist. Whether or not she's from a future or is only allowed to exist if that future remains possible for her to play a part in, I'm not sure.

She also seems to value Sensei, and Ayane, possibly Sana, and shows up a few times only if you're fucking Ami and Sara, so they presumably play a part in things.

The Shapeshifter was also shown with Ami clones(?):

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And apparently has coworkers, besides the Mayas, like Shiori, who may be Nodoka's evil twin:

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Albeit, Shiori may also just be a Shapeshifter, who looked like Nodoka to Nodoka at one point or something. (Or it's just a coincidence which I somewhat doubt)

Overall: It's not clear, but I'm leaning towards Survival being her main motivation.

The happiness and safety of Sensei and Ayane, are probably motives as well, and making the world a better place is probably another, if this was her, which I think was implied:

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Whether or not the Shapeshifter/Himawari can even exist outside of the cycle isn't clear, though. She seems to be a teen to a teen who's not technically been alive long enough to even have a teen daughter.

So, if she's somehow around after the resets are gone and everyone just continues their lives, it'd probably be a little weird.

It also doesn't seem like she's the only one in her position, and releasing these supernatural things into a world where people don't just reset...seems a little dangerous.

Overall: I don't think she's trying to break the cycle or end the resets. She doesn't even want Sensei to ask questions:

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Sensei going off script also seems to worry her:

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Albeit, it might just be because he could mess things up.

She does seem to be trying to change the world to suit her desires, though. For better or worse, as she seemed to help restore Sekai, then quickly regretted it, during Beachmas, assuming that the Narrator involved was her:

Yeah, I'm thinking the Shapeshifter was the Narrator talking about restoration before Sekai was apparently restored:

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She seemed to quickly regret it though based off 'Neverender':

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and seemed scared of Sekai towards the end of Beachmas:

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The Shapeshifter also seemed to start slanting in 'Shelter':

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Not entirely sure why. I am thinking the Shapeshifter has actually been the main Narrator that's not Sensei, since the beginning, now, though.

Btw, Sekai seemed to be the Narrator in 'Imaginary Veins':

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The speaking from a female perspective, being called a pedophile by others, and the whole "dig me up, I miss you" stuff seems to imply it's Sekai here.

So, yeah, future Sekai stuff might be The Shapeshifter's fault. Albeit, I think HOPE may have played a part in this being possible:

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HOPE may have brought Sekai back, but the Shapeshifter helped restore her. Maybe, idk. This shit is wild.

Can't wait to figure out if I'm right or I'm just fucking delusional. I'm fine with either I suppose. The Sekai-spiracy grows.

At the least, she seemed involved since she shows up during it:

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[BlackDays]

Pretty miniscule, actually
My overall view of Himawari has always been that she exists in some sort of state of limbo, however you want to define it or how it works. She likely entered a contract because she didn't really have a choice or another good option to meet her goals. She's clearly less "powerful" or capable of doing much compared to/against the users and the fucked up Mayas, or just changing much in general. She may not even have the ability to move around, shapeshift, or exist within kumon-mi or the world without her contract and what she gains out of it. Assuming what we assume about her is true, you could argue she shouldn't even just be dead, she herself should have been retconned, or stuck in a similar place to Maya Prime. She's a real comic book ass character. Something like user x/person says to Himawari "I'll let you live/do x if you do y" isn't far-fetched IMO. The thing is we don't really know, and I'm pretty sure it is end-game stuff, at least chapter cinco stuff. Our role as readers is to eat the slop selebussy puts in our troughs and go "Oooh what's it mean??"

Spoiler: Himawari in chapter 6

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One theory of mine is, that children made by Akira, Himawari and the Maya menagerie for example, got "harvested" out of Kumon'mi, and were reintroduced by forces above, as assistants in what ever is going on.
The compliant Maya menagerie and Himawari the outlier.

 

[crustlord12]

What's everyone's realistic hope for this update? And what's everyone's absolutely unrealistic wish?

 

[PhiloPhilo]

One theory of mine is, that children made by Akira, Himawari and the Maya menagerie for example, got "harvested" out of Kumon'mi, and were reintroduced by forces above, as assistants in what ever is going on.
The compliant Maya menagerie and Himawari the outlier.

I agree that it's likely for Himawari to only exist as she is/at all due to someone else. I'm honestly behind on/unsure of the menagerie so I can't comment much.
Assuming she is the unborn, reset daughter of Ayane, the most supported theory/largest consensus from what I can tell, I only see three real branching paths from her being a baby during a reset;

Spoiler: How-mawari

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That's probably the last ounce of Himawari speculation I got, it kind of sums up everything I've posted about her. I almost doubt we'll get any answers as to how she exists at all. I think what she does and what happens to her will be vastly more important, and for that we probably need to wait a decent while. I'd hate this bitch if she wasn't kind of cool.

 

[PhiloPhilo]

What's everyone's realistic hope for this update? And what's everyone's absolutely unrealistic wish?

More anal.

 

[BlackDays]

Doublepost. 30 mins so whatever.

First: https://f95zone.to/threads/lessons-in-love-v0-41-0-selebus.48158/post-10639122
My claim for Moyos offsprings name still stands.

I guess i might have to explain this a bit further, in relation to my last post.
There's space to believe that time might work different for people in Kumon'mi and those outside.

In respect to my theory, where kids/babys (*unborn) get "harvested" out of Kumon'mi and being reintroduced, it might be that we don't get to percieve time, that might have passed.
Indications for that are, where Akira loses grip on time, where it fast forwards for, i think now two times? two months?.
Maybe offscreen it happened for far longer.

With the Maya menagerie it could have happened years ago as far as we know.
Akira got pretty much raped into oblivion for countless cycles by Maya.
Her not getting pregnant during that period is close to a miracle.

To get to the point.
Maybe between Akira knocking up Ayane and Himawari growing up, Kumon'mi (all going into tpose) was in a state of hibernation/suspension for longer then we know.

While..., i have a fallback theory if this one doesn't fit.

 

[barglenarglezous]

What's everyone's realistic hope for this update? And what's everyone's absolutely unrealistic wish?

Realistic: We see the start of Chika's villain arc after she walks in on Akira with one of the other girls.
Unrealistic: Yumi starts calling me Daddy.

 

[crustlord12]

Realistic: We see the start of Chika's villain arc after she walks in on Akira with one of the other girls.
Unrealistic: Yumi starts calling me Daddy.

I'm with you on Yumi, but I forgot who's getting scenes this update and I can't be bothered to go through the ridiculous amount of posts to find the update notes

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

What's everyone's realistic hope for this update? And what's everyone's absolutely unrealistic wish?

Realistic hope: Getting more insight on the Rooftop Apocalypse Squad. We saw Ayane holding a meeting and also the likely suspects gathered together in an earlier preview. It’s inevitable.

Middle ground hope: Getting Uta’s first H scene. Considering how last update went (with Uta herself anyway), it seems very likely we’ll get one with her very soon. It all depends on how Io feels and how that all goes. I’m back and forth on it, but I’m still predicting we get an Uta h scene.

Unrealistic hope: Ami receives word that her father uncle is getting down and dirty at the beach and rushes over as quickly as possible. Ami catches Sensei and Uta in the middle of their first sexual act. But before things can go south, Ami removes all her clothing, pushing Uta’s mouth back on Akira’s cock, demanding she finish what she started. Ami joins in and finishes what she started as well back at the Maid Cafe.

They have a threesome and Prince Ami’s arc officially begins, telling Sensei to ‘let her know next time’, leaving him confused yet satisfied.

…..Yeah I don’t know. Seems unrealistic to me. One can dream, though.

 

[BlackDays]

I agree that it's likely for Himawari to only exist as she is/at all due to someone else. I'm honestly behind on/unsure of the menagerie so I can't comment much.
Assuming she is the unborn, reset daughter of Ayane, the most supported theory/largest consensus from what I can tell, I only see three real branching paths from her being a baby during a reset;

Spoiler: How-mawari

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That's probably the last ounce of Himawari speculation I got, it kind of sums up everything I've posted about her. I almost doubt we'll get any answers as to how she exists at all. I think what she does and what happens to her will be vastly more important, and for that we probably need to wait a decent while. I'd hate this bitch if she wasn't kind of cool.

I got two ideas about Himawari.
First:
She isn't afraid about her physically being wiped out, but Akira not recognizing her as his daughter, meaning her existence as that.
As i said, him blending her out. "Perception".

Or, this is my Westworld theory: (This one is trippy)
Himawari exists as a conscious in the wishing well, which is (this is Maya/tech stuff) is where all Kumon'mi people present and gone (including Himawari) are stored.
From there she can interact.
And she's afraid of being deleted from there and for good.
Or something. Kinda lost track. Might edit.

 

[crustlord12]

Middle ground hope: Getting Uta’s first H scene. Considering how last update went (with Uta herself anyway), it seems very likely we’ll get one with her very soon. It all depends on how Io feels and how that all goes. I’m back and forth on it, but I’m still predicting we get an Uta h scene.

You son of a bitch, I didn't ask for middle ground hope!!

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

You son of a bitch, I didn't ask for middle ground hope!!

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[barglenarglezous]

I'm with you on Yumi, but I forgot who's getting scenes this update and I can't be bothered to go through the ridiculous amount of posts to find the update notes

I'm basing my expectations on preview images that were shared here, which include Sad Chika, Horny and Handsy Sana, and Akira and Yumi in the same bed.

I put 2 and 2 together. The thing about putting 2 and 2 together is that sometimes it's 4, sometimes it's 22, and sometimes it's a sneaky fraction and it's just 1 with extra steps.

 

[Bingoogus]

Realistic hope? 3 hours of quality entertainment.

Unrealistic hope? 120 hours of quality entertainment.

 

[JelF547]

Realistic hope? 3 hours of quality entertainment.

Unrealistic hope? 120 hours of quality entertainment.

Well, there might be reset... and you actually might have 120 hours of quality entertainment solving puzzle...

 

[Moonflare]

I'm basing my expectations on preview images that were shared here, which include Sad Chika, Horny and Handsy Sana, and Akira and Yumi in the same bed.

I put 2 and 2 together. The thing about putting 2 and 2 together is that sometimes it's 4, sometimes it's 22, and sometimes it's a sneaky fraction and it's just 1 with extra steps.

There is also when you put two and two together, and two of them are having sex behind others backs and no one knows about it.

Unfortunately for Chika, I think she's going to find that out before being in the same room as Niki though.

 

[shmurfer]

You son of a bitch, I didn't ask for middle ground hope!!

Middle ground with left HOPE

 

[Azkled]

What's everyone's realistic hope for this update? And what's everyone's absolutely unrealistic wish?

Realistic hope: The Rooftop Apocalypse Squad makes some progress or breakthrough because characters (finally) start sharing information with each other.
Unrealistic wish: New-Maya sex scene while she wears the shrine maiden outfit.

 

[shmurfer]

Unrealistic wish: New-Maya sex scene while she wears the shrine maiden outfit.

That sounds like some major monkey paw shit. We aren't getting any explicit Maya scenes for a year or so. Sensei fucked Maya not too long ago and it was relegated to being offscreen and he refused to see her face.

They'll fuck and it'll be offscreen again and she'll just be in bed with the outfit like last time.