Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.53.0] [Selebus]

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About teeth turning liquid. (Warning: far fetched theory)

-Melting pointh of teeth is 1090 C according to google.
-Peak flame temperature of gasoline is about 1050 C. (For diesel it's around 1700)
-When you try to identify unrecognizable bodies you look for teeth since similar to fingerprints every person has different oral cavity.

We know she died in the car crash but not immediately because they talked about her infidelity.("O world, in our dying moments please tell me. Why him?")

So crash happened, Akira and Ami got out but Sekai and Nozomu stuck inside the car. A fire spreads and both them dies. They can't identify bones so Akira has another trauma because he doesn't know which grave contains his lover/abuser's bones.(I think game always show Sekai and Nozomu's grave togerher, never focuses either of them seperatly.)

Do we have information about Sekai's corpse? Or the game ever gave us about about charred meat smell?
 
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fasoaga said:
About teeth turning liquid. (Warning: far fetched theory)

-Melting pointh of teeth is 1090 C according to google.
-Peak flame temperature of gasoline is about 1050 C. (For diesel it's around 1700)
-When you try to identify unrecognizable bodies you look for teeth since similar to fingerprints every person has different oral cavity.

We know she died in the car crash but not immediately because they talked about her infidelity.("O world, in our dying moments please tell me. Why him?")

So crash happened, Akira and Ami got out but Sekai and Nozomu stuck inside the car. A fire spreads and both them dies. They can't identify bones so Akira has another trauma because he doesn't know which grave contains his lover/abuser's bones.(I think game always show Sekai and Nozomu's grave togerher, never focuses either of them seperatly.)

Do we have information about Sekai's corpse? Or the game ever gave us about about charred meat smell?
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Small point but you could probably tell if the bones are male or female. I like the teeth melting in the fire theory though.
 
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fasoaga said:
About teeth turning liquid. (Warning: far fetched theory)

-Melting pointh of teeth is 1090 C according to google.
-Peak flame temperature of gasoline is about 1050 C. (For diesel it's around 1700)
-When you try to identify unrecognizable bodies you look for teeth since similar to fingerprints every person has different oral cavity.

We know she died in the car crash but not immediately because they talked about her infidelity.("O world, in our dying moments please tell me. Why him?")

So crash happened, Akira and Ami got out but Sekai and Nozomu stuck inside the car. A fire spreads and both them dies. They can't identify bones so Akira has another trauma because he doesn't know which grave contains his lover/abuser's bones.(I think game always show Sekai and Nozomu's grave togerher, never focuses either of them seperatly.)

Do we have information about Sekai's corpse? Or the game ever gave us about about charred meat smell?
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Why would the cause of death be a fire? Why not blunt force trauma or blood lose? To my knowledge we havent the faintest clue as to HOW sekai and Nozumo died other than the fact that it was a car crash.So supposing that the cause of death was fire,which we dont know if its true,and building a theory out of it doesnt really hold water.
 
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It is more likely that melting teeth is a reference to cremation. Japan has a %99.9 cremation rate, and it's been that high for over a decade. By virtue of their being an island nation and needing much of that limited land for agriculture, they don't have the real estate for expansive graveyards like the US does.

Cremated remains are often buried, and in Japan there are family graves/memorials where multiple members of the family might have their cremains interred. This is likely what Akira and Ami visit.

A few other points that make it unlike Sekai died in a fire bad enough to melt her teeth:
1) You have to still be alive to have your organs harvested, and it's heavily implied that Kaori recieved an organ transplant from Sekai (she calls herself a bag of spare parts and is briefly possessed by Sekai). If you're in a fire bad enough to melt your teeth, you are not going to survive that long enough to donate your organs.
2) Akira mentions holding her after the accident, which would be impossible if she were just a pile of ash (the teeth are the last thing to burn because of their high melting point relative to the rest of their body)
3) Some early happy scenes have an audio track of life-support noises. Who's on life support, and why would their being on life-support be in Akira's trauma space? The only people he cares that much about are Sekai, Ami, and Maya. Which of those three would have most likely been on life support? The one who dies (neither Ami nor Maya have indicated past medical trauma)

The most likely scenario is that Nozomu dies on the spot, Sekai is left in a near-death vegitative state, and Akira has to make the call to pull the plug and donate her organs as he's the next of kin. And Kaori is the life he saved with that decision -- which is why Selebus mentions that she's one of the most important characters in the game. She's the consequence of the worst choice he ever had to make in his life.

Also, the line "O world, in our dying moments please tell me. Why him?" is written by Akira. Akira is dying on the inside while Sekai is dying physically, and lamenting that it was his brother that dies by her side and not himself.

Finally -- symbolically, the casket used to cremate someone can be viewed as a vehicle carrying the deceased towards a final destination, and poets have this pesky tendency to be really big on symbolism, so interpreting a lot of what Akira says literally is a bit of a trap -- especially when he's in shoegaze word soup mode.

Edited to add point 3 and the following paragraph, as I remembered them after hitting Send.
 
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fasoaga said:
About teeth turning liquid. (Warning: far fetched theory)

-Melting pointh of teeth is 1090 C according to google.
-Peak flame temperature of gasoline is about 1050 C. (For diesel it's around 1700)
-When you try to identify unrecognizable bodies you look for teeth since similar to fingerprints every person has different oral cavity.

We know she died in the car crash but not immediately because they talked about her infidelity.("O world, in our dying moments please tell me. Why him?")

So crash happened, Akira and Ami got out but Sekai and Nozomu stuck inside the car. A fire spreads and both them dies. They can't identify bones so Akira has another trauma because he doesn't know which grave contains his lover/abuser's bones.(I think game always show Sekai and Nozomu's grave togerher, never focuses either of them seperatly.)

Do we have information about Sekai's corpse? Or the game ever gave us about about charred meat smell?
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Sekai's organs, at least one of them, is currently inside Kaori, allegedly at least, which is how Sekai possess Kaori.
 
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barglenarglezous said:
It is more likely that melting teeth is a reference to cremation. Japan has a %99.9 cremation rate, and it's been that high for over a decade. By virtue of their being an island nation and needing much of that limited land for agriculture, they don't have the real estate for expansive graveyards like the US does.

Cremated remains are often buried, and in Japan there are family graves/memorials where multiple members of the family might have their cremains interred. This is likely what Akira and Ami visit.

A few other points that make it unlike Sekai died in a fire bad enough to melt her teeth:
1) You have to still be alive to have your organs harvested, and it's heavily implied that Kaori recieved an organ transplant from Sekai (she calls herself a bag of spare parts and is briefly possessed by Sekai). If you're in a fire bad enough to melt your teeth, you are not going to survive that long enough to donate your organs.
2) Akira mentions holding her after the accident, which would be impossible if she were just a pile of ash (the teeth are the last thing to burn because of their high melting point relative to the rest of their body)

Also, the line "O world, in our dying moments please tell me. Why him?" is written by Akira. Akira is dying on the inside while Sekai is dying physically, and lamenting that it was his brother that dies by her side and not himself.

Finally -- symbolically, the casket used to cremate someone can be viewed as a vehicle carrying the deceased towards a final destination, and poets have this pesky tendency to be really big on symbolism, so interpreting a lot of what Akira says literally is a bit of a trap -- especially when he's in shoegaze word soup mode.
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Yeah Kaori organs and Akira holding Sekai disprove my theory.
 
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barglenarglezous said:
It is more likely that melting teeth is a reference to cremation. Japan has a %99.9 cremation rate, and it's been that high for over a decade. By virtue of their being an island nation and needing much of that limited land for agriculture, they don't have the real estate for expansive graveyards like the US does.

Cremated remains are often buried, and in Japan there are family graves/memorials where multiple members of the family might have their cremains interred. This is likely what Akira and Ami visit.

A few other points that make it unlike Sekai died in a fire bad enough to melt her teeth:
1) You have to still be alive to have your organs harvested, and it's heavily implied that Kaori recieved an organ transplant from Sekai (she calls herself a bag of spare parts and is briefly possessed by Sekai). If you're in a fire bad enough to melt your teeth, you are not going to survive that long enough to donate your organs.
2) Akira mentions holding her after the accident, which would be impossible if she were just a pile of ash (the teeth are the last thing to burn because of their high melting point relative to the rest of their body)
3) Some early happy scenes have an audio track of life-support noises. Who's on life support, and why would their being on life-support be in Akira's trauma space? The only people he cares that much about are Sekai, Ami, and Maya. Which of those three would have most likely been on life support? The one who dies (neither Ami nor Maya have indicated past medical trauma)

The most likely scenario is that Nozomu dies on the spot, Sekai is left in a near-death vegitative state, and Akira has to make the call to pull the plug and donate her organs as he's the next of kin. And Kaori is the life he saved with that decision -- which is why Selebus mentions that she's one of the most important characters in the game. She's the consequence of the worst choice he ever had to make in his life.

Also, the line "O world, in our dying moments please tell me. Why him?" is written by Akira. Akira is dying on the inside while Sekai is dying physically, and lamenting that it was his brother that dies by her side and not himself.

Finally -- symbolically, the casket used to cremate someone can be viewed as a vehicle carrying the deceased towards a final destination, and poets have this pesky tendency to be really big on symbolism, so interpreting a lot of what Akira says literally is a bit of a trap -- especially when he's in shoegaze word soup mode.

Edited to add point 3 and the following paragraph, as I remembered them after hitting Send.
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Life support sound is in "The Room With Clocks", it might be a bit less remarkable because of the rework.
It also has a baby toy sound which could point towards Kaoris saved life or a baby.
Guess thematic there was life and death.

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Sekai says that she was "torn to shreds", goes with the "plucking steel from someones body" by probably Akira.
 
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Ah, sorry.
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Apparently, I was too hasty in writing here.

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aramaug said:
Liquefying teeth were referenced twice in 0.41, so I don't think he's dropped it.
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Here's the Tsuneyo scene you referenced:
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I've been tracking references to liquid teeth on my second playthrough, here's what I've found so far:
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I tend to think it's an important symbol rather than just general icky imagery precisely because of what Tsuneyo says. I think it's an indication that Sensei (or whoever) has broken some unknown rule, but I'm not sure whether these rules are specific to Wires or not. In all three of the happy scenes it's connected to AmIOkay, specifically sexual desire for her at least in the first two, so there might be something there.
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I also take liquefying teeth as more than general icky and gore imagery since it just shows up too many times. There are people arguing it could be a reference for cremation of Sekai, but I can't say it's very reasonable since then we should at least get some info on burial of Sekai and Nozumu.

I, on the other hand, think it might present another lasting childhood impact left by Saki according to Clockless Watch, as Sekai once said "God will chop your arms off should you slept in Lord's day", which sounds more like what Saki would say since she, not Sekai, was the religious person. For we knew that both Saki and Yuu died of Diabetes and Yuu passed earlier than Saki. Then it's natural for her to tell his children again and again not to follow their father's steps that it's stigmatize as an unconscious premonition resurfacing everytime he gets anxious (throat is clogged and no voice comes out). It also applies to Tsuneyo since her father has connection to god as Yuu, so it's plausible for him to use same weird educational strategy as Arakawa family.

Apropos of nothing, what do you think of the Egg in Happy Event? We know that Akira ate an egg in The Room With Clock as a symbol Eucharist and sound of egg breaking seems prevalent throughout the story. And to me in Everlasting Mercy, egg might present an emblem of hymen? As in Akira broke the egg of Maya and reveled in his innocent as some perverse Communion that is Dionysia? Thus "The filling of egg restores what I lost of teeth" could be a metonymy of "Sekai (or Maya, they are identical, the one who tried to fix Akira) fills the role of my lost mother (first one who broke him)." Nothing else comes to my mind. I think we need to discuss on it further.
 
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Here's my review.
Good:
-Heroines design mostly on point
-Good potential
-Horror side adds a lil bit of creativity/mystery.

Bad:
-Feels like there's 10x more effort put into the "horror" scenes than the sex scenes.
-Puzzles that would take hundreds of hours of (mostly pointless)research inside the game if done without help.
-The good potential is not reached.
-Horror is mostly nonsensical, often pure waste of time screens, 20 fake end screens, random quotes from literature/famous people that have zero correlation with anything(kinda "fake depth" if you ask me)
-Sex scenes not that good
-Effort/time per sex scene is very high

This game is very long, even without reading everything, using max speed auto, this game takes 24+ hours to reach the current version's last scenes. Also, some heroines event chains are so long to finally get to bed them that at that point you don't even care anymore.
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I guess you could say with this game the journey is better than the end goal, but the journey is pretty tedious for me. The horror is not scary at all and sometimes it makes you uneasy a bit. The horror is like doki doki meets liminal space meets dialup horror, but overall it's mostly random shit being displayed on screen. Doki Doki is more scary, and liminal/dialup/analog horror is pretty hard to do convincingly.

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Conclusion: So yeah I give it 6/10, uncompleted and potential not reached and no hints that it will be reached. Also too long for what you get. The horror adds a bit of uniqueness but is more random and nonsensical than anything else. Best part is how the heroines look.

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I know I'm late to this, but I'm reading up on the last few gazillion pages after finishing the latest update - and I just have to say this:

Holy bursh, having Pareidolia review LiL and giving it a 6/10 because Akira is a pussy, the sex scenes aren't hardcore enough and there being too much talking in between them in the first place, was not on my 2024 bingo card.
 
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LessonsInDissonance said:
Do you seriously not remember by memory the 4th word of the 185th text box of the Main Event They're Just Lights which happened years ago?
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That's why "untitled" was the best of all the puzzles, since it had actually relevant questions to the plot (some of them at least). Not good by any means, but better. Plus, Yumi deserves to go see the turtles.
 
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That's why "untitled" was the best of all the puzzles, since it had actually relevant questions to the plot (some of them at least). Not good by any means, but better. Plus, Yumi deserves to go see the turtles.
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Tsuneyo and Io need to go to the amusement park.Uta needs to go back to her hometown and Yumi wants to see the turtles.

I swear if their endings or their "routes" doesnt include this happening i will mald
 
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