I'm a bit late to the Nozomu stuff but what I thought was that Saki named her child after Nozomu the god. I remember that Saki was mentioned to be religious in some event and with the exposition from Touka about HOPE being a god that was worshipped in Kumon-Mi's past it makes sense to me that Saki was a follower of HOPE but knew him by the name of Nozomu and then when her first child was born chose to name him after that god. Its a lot of speculation cause we know little about either Saki or Nozomu (the brother) but I do think its something to consider.
Edit: Funnily enough the moment I continued my replay of the game I found Yasu saying this in Frankincense & Myrrh.
This is in reference to the divine game of tug of war going on between black and white, meaning that Saki most definitely knew about the conflict between the gods. The fact that Yasu doesn't hate her seems to imply that they worshipped the same god? It's a bit of a stretch but Yasu hasn't been very open with accepting the other gods and so she'd probably hate someone who worshipped one of the other 2/3. It also sets up an interesting idea, in this event to me it seems like the rope that is repeatedly being mentioned is Akira, the fact that he's being used as the puppet in this divine game seems to back up the idea that he's the rope in this analogy. If that is the case then did Saki know that Akira was going to play this pivotal role, did she assume that Nozomu would play it instead? In the halloween battle between Yasu and Rin, Yasu reveals that Saki didn't like Akira for whatever reason, was it because he was going to end up playing the role of "rope" in the divine game of tug of war, did she want Nozomu to play that role instead? Or am I massively over reaching and these things don't tie into each other at all. No idea, just wanted to get my ideas out there.
What I mean to say is that it's easy to overeach in that event, because there's so much going on, from the person that is following Akira (Sekai/Shadow Maya/Saki/who knows), to this whole exchange:
Why is Akira the product of something wonderful, and to which extent it extends to him being called the son of makeshift gods? Is he HOPE/Nozomu's son (the god and/or the brother)? And also to which extent? By possession? By baptism? By blood? By being used as a puppet?
He learned to crawl in the light of someone who understood the importance of the light, and even now she whispers his name - but never in the game do we get the feeling Saki's reaching for Akira, or that she's following him in any way. We could go on and there are other fragments, but it's overall simply very confusing.
All of that being said, I like the theory about Saki giving her first son a god's name, I hadn't thought/heard about that before. Good job.
I'm a bit late to the Nozomu stuff but what I thought was that Saki named her child after Nozomu the god. I remember that Saki was mentioned to be religious in some event and with the exposition from Touka about HOPE being a god that was worshipped in Kumon-Mi's past it makes sense to me that Saki was a follower of HOPE but knew him by the name of Nozomu and then when her first child was born chose to name him after that god. Its a lot of speculation cause we know little about either Saki or Nozomu (the brother) but I do think its something to consider.
Edit: Funnily enough the moment I continued my replay of the game I found Yasu saying this in Frankincense & Myrrh.
This is in reference to the divine game of tug of war going on between black and white, meaning that Saki most definitely knew about the conflict between the gods. The fact that Yasu doesn't hate her seems to imply that they worshipped the same god? It's a bit of a stretch but Yasu hasn't been very open with accepting the other gods and so she'd probably hate someone who worshipped one of the other 2/3. It also sets up an interesting idea, in this event to me it seems like the rope that is repeatedly being mentioned is Akira, the fact that he's being used as the puppet in this divine game seems to back up the idea that he's the rope in this analogy. If that is the case then did Saki know that Akira was going to play this pivotal role, did she assume that Nozomu would play it instead? In the halloween battle between Yasu and Rin, Yasu reveals that Saki didn't like Akira for whatever reason, was it because he was going to end up playing the role of "rope" in the divine game of tug of war, did she want Nozomu to play that role instead? Or am I massively over reaching and these things don't tie into each other at all. No idea, just wanted to get my ideas out there.
it seems quite clear to me that this means that Saki was a follower of Nozomu. Yasu then goes on to mention how Akira was forced to crawl in the dark when the light began to dim. To me this means that Nozomu's power began to fade and so Akira was forced to turn to Wire god. To reach even further, this could represent the time Akira was visitting the old district a bunch, the old district is Wires' domain and so if Akira is spending more time there then it could explain the whole spending more time in the dark thing.
What I mean to say is that it's easy to overeach in that event, because there's so much going on, from the person that is following Akira (Sekai/Shadow Maya/Saki/who knows), to this whole exchange:
Why is Akira the product of something wonderful, and to which extent it extends to him being called the son of makeshift gods? Is he HOPE/Nozomu's son (the god and/or the brother)? And also to which extent? By possession? By baptism? By blood? By being used as a puppet?
He learned to crawl in the light of someone who understood the importance of the light, and even now she whispers his name - but never in the game do we get the feeling Saki's reaching for Akira, or that she's following him in any way. We could go on and there are other fragments, but it's overall simply very confusing.
All of that being said, I like the theory about Saki giving her first son a god's name, I hadn't thought/heard about that before. Good job.
It being it's actual name seems unlikely based off the phrasing. If we can even trust the Narrators in the first place since at least one, later, implies Pareidolia has some power over them:
And the Narrators specifically revealed little about the Third/Concerned god which seemed to choose the name Pareidolia, later.
Yasu never using the name Nozomu (or HOPE) in reference to her god, as far as I recall, could imply that it's not something common. Touka also didn't reveal either of these names in reference to Yasu's religion or god being a thing 200+ years ago.
Or I'm just being paranoid and overthinking things.
It being it's actual name seems unlikely based off the phrasing. If we can even trust the Narrators in the first place since at least one, later, implies Pareidolia has some power over them:
And the Narrators specifically revealed little about the Third/Concerned god which seemed to choose the name Pareidolia, later.
Yasu never using the name Nozomu (or HOPE) in reference to her god, as far as I recall, could imply that it's not something common. Touka also didn't reveal either of these names in reference to Yasu's religion or god being a thing 200+ years ago.
Or I'm just being paranoid and overthinking things.
Are you putting forward that every narrator is under Pareidolia's command since he's "the voice inside your head", and technically so are all narrators?
Cause it could also simply be the case that the specific narrator from "Miserably ever after" is working for him, and not the one that tells us Nozomu's story.
As for HOPE, I'm pretty sure that's his name since it's the church of new hope and HOPE is the key to decipher Yasu's god's language. As to why Yasu doesn't use this name... I don't know, she says he's their hope, but never refers to that as his name.
I could more easily jump into Nozomu not being a god's actual name, but rather a jab at Akira by the narrator.
Edit: one could extrapolate that by calling him their hope, she'd be calling him their nozomu since they're speaking in japanese... but that's a huge stretch, and I'm sure hope can (and would) be said in other forms than Nozomu.
I'm sure it's more he knows exactly how he wants to end the story, and the general plot of the routes, but hasn't decided on the details of each girls route
Are you putting forward that every narrator is under Pareidolia's command since he's "the voice inside your head", and technically so are all narrators?
Cause it could also simply be the case that the specific narrator from "Miserably ever after" is working for him, and not the one that tells us Nozomu's story.
As for HOPE, I'm pretty sure that's his name since it's the church of new hope and HOPE is the key to decipher Yasu's god's language. As to why Yasu doesn't use this name... I don't know, she says he's their hope, but never refers to that as his name.
I could more easily jump into Nozomu not being a god's actual name, but rather a jab at Akira by the narrator.
Edit: one could extrapolate that by calling him their hope, she'd be calling him their nozomu since they're speaking in japanese... but that's a huge stretch, and I'm sure hope can (and would) be said in other forms than Nozomu.
Definitely possible. Same could be said with the Shapeshifters and most other things that don't fit in with the other 2 C-gods. Even all these other gods didn't start showing up until Pareidolia gained more control, and considering even Jesus is one of these gods:
(Who also talked in Lower Case which has seemed to be Pareidolia's thing.)
Overall: If one Narrator can be silenced by Pareidolia, it seems unlikely that others couldn't as well.
As for the church stuff, there's plenty of New Hope churches in real life, but their gods tend to not be named HOPE or at least not name themselves that. The Key being "HOPE" should at least imply a correlation, though.
Still, although implied to be the same god, it doesn't necessarily mean it is the actual/original name of that god. Plenty of the same gods (in essense) in real life have different names depending on who's using them and why.
Nozomu and even HOPE could just be new names for something else. Something that has been considered Callous with Many Eyes.
Man, either these fan artists have become Selebus himself or it's a preview, I can't fucking tell anymore especially after that Chinami The Big vs Sister Chika picture.
Btw I'll back at some point, life has gotten unexpectedly busy for me.
Man, either these fan artists have become Selebus himself or it's a preview, I can't fucking tell anymore especially after that Chinami The Big vs Sister Chika picture.
Pretty much all of this game was written on the run lmao. He has key points, but he improvises how he gets to those. It's a normal way of writing and I think most writers do it this way, is just a fun way to do it.
Okay, so there is A LOT to unpack about this event, and I might do it on another post. But let's focus on this one fact for now: When Akira "blacks out" he engages into an auto-pilot that is based on memory, but not simply the memory of his trauma, it's rather the compulsive memory of already having lived that event.
For instance, in "this town has two halves", if you choose to leave Yumi alone, we get:
It's been a long time question of who was making Akira do this, and well, what if it wasn't anyone but the nature of the resets themselves? Actually, what if it was Akira that was making Akira do this? And by that I mean the so many times old Akiras have done this: You have already made your choice. It was himself that made that choice, and he chose it so many times he feels compelled to choose it again, since he's simply too weak to fight the compulsion of repetition.
It was a real question as to who was guiding Akira to Yumi in this, as Pareidolia is the one that tries to get him out of there. If you interpret it as it being his memories of being with Yumi guiding him there, then it makes more sense. Everything he says to her, both in this event and every other that are "supernatural overrides" might as well be stuff he has said to her previously in other cycles. None of them ever weren't the way he feels anyway, just cruder or out of place versions of it.
I've talked a lot about Yumi's beach event so I'll just reiterate with one screenshot that concludes this point on Yumi's side:
The entire event is about both of them recovering part of their feelings for one another from previous cycles, or at least aknowledging they existed. Well, isn't this sentence very damning? Yumi has missed her cue for this scene.
Okay so, why and how Akira can find Kaori so easily, and why/how can she know these things? It's because they're both acting out what has already happened. Kaori knows these things because either Sekaori is part of her, or, and that's where this theory comes into play, because her head's not entirely there. And that allows her to more easily tap into fragments of the script. That's also how Akira always finds her, because he's done it many times over and had these same conversations. And that's also why he knows he's not going to find her.
Anyway, I hope I have properly conveyed why I think it could be huge. We have had theories before that had Akira simply acting in a compulsion to his "inner instincts" and thus eliminating much of the supernatural side of things of him being controlled. And this is not what this theory is. This is Akira being controlled by the compulsion of previous resets, activated by either gods, triggers or overwhelming similarites in reliving events he's lived so many times.
I’ve been thinking about what to do since the next two updates will be split into two parts, and I think I’m gonna wait the extra month to tackle them both at once.
Temptation will try to get me to do it earlier but I’m committed lol. So yeah, if I’m more inactive than usual on here after the 1st, then that’s why.
Hopefully the full experience of Halloween and Reset 7 will be worth it.
