Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.53.0] [Selebus]

[Fire Lord Zuko]

So first, a little context:

I downloaded 0.23 of LiL on Sel's Subscribestar, because I know this is the last version before he reworked a lot of Chapter 1. Entire events were deleted or altered. Because of this, I thought I'd look at the deleted content since I'm replaying the game anyways.

Anyway, as I looked through the files to see what was different, I noticed this:

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The whole beginning of the game is completely different so far, so I'm curious to see how it holds up.

 

[barglenarglezous]

So first, a little context:

I downloaded 0.23 of LiL on Sel's Subscribestar, because I know this is the last version before he reworked a lot of Chapter 1. Entire events were deleted or altered. Because of this, I thought I'd look at the deleted content since I'm replaying the game anyways.

Anyway, as I looked through the files to see what was different, I noticed this:

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The whole beginning of the game is completely different so far, so I'm curious to see how it holds up.

Odd. I remember it always being Maya.

I still have my old install of 0.23, but don't have a pre-rework save to consult. I'll need to run through chapter 1 again to see if it's Maya or Yumi on mine.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

So first, a little context:

I downloaded 0.23 of LiL on Sel's Subscribestar, because I know this is the last version before he reworked a lot of Chapter 1. Entire events were deleted or altered. Because of this, I thought I'd look at the deleted content since I'm replaying the game anyways.

Anyway, as I looked through the files to see what was different, I noticed this:

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The whole beginning of the game is completely different so far, so I'm curious to see how it holds up.

With how much of an irrelevance Sana has been in Ch4 as the newest cover girl, I've more or less convinced myself that being on the cover bares little significance. But god Yumi's cute during that Christmas.

 

[aramaug]

curious that Moonflare's version of LiL is just Selebus' version of LiL (you guys just haven't accepted it yet).

Hey, don't lump me in with the poor fools who can't grasp the self-evident truth that Himawari's name is Ami. As I'm sure you remember, I've believed it for as long as I've been here. I just couldn't resist poking fun at your... enthusiasm for the theory.

For clarity, I'm 100% convinced that Himawari is not her real name. I think Ami is by far the most likely name, but there's still a chance that it's something we haven't thought of.

And on that subject, I noticed something when I was replaying Chapter 3.

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[lotsofluggage]

What's wrong with this developer?

 

[fdsasdf_p]

Speaking of finding something unexpected from replaying, can any of you guys check your Ami's event Important Things or more specifically, an image file named "amisroomonefive25"? Mine looks...glitched.

At first I thought I doodled too much and might have overwritten something by accident, but I was thoroughly vexed when I found out that image files with the same name straight out of fresh downloads of v0.41, v0.42, or v0.45 from subscriberstar all look like that (in fact the the one in v0.45 is even more glitched); for now the only source I have that gives the "correct image" is an old v0.28 copy of mine.

I am guessing the reason why I now have the glitched image is because of the renpy upgrade that forced me to download the entire copy instead of simply doing update patch.

Spoiler: v0.45 looks like this if anyone is interested

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[shmurfer]

I think some people overestimate both what one is capable of doing from a Renpy build and what Selebus "the programmer" is able to do.

I mention it because as someone who has dabbled in programming, I know I could make detecting it months ahead really subtly / schizo'ly and then the actual lockouts crippling enough that I'd force someone else to spend an hour or so making a crack for it like they did for the current DRM. And the only thing stopping such a scenario is an ego trip.

And that I'm planning a playthrough where I try to grind up the ridiculous stuff (Ayane / Himawari events mainly but I might go for the sensei quest 'sex scenes' legitimately, and I don't want to also have to police my save file for red path instead of just using the guide mod which seems like a one way change. (Shampoo is also a fun thing to consider)

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

Speaking of finding something unexpected from replaying, can any of you guys check your Ami's event Important Things or more specifically, an image file named "amisroomonefive25"? Mine looks...glitched.
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At first I thought I doodled too much and might have overwritten something by accident, but I was thoroughly vexed when I found out that image files with the same name straight out of fresh downloads of v0.41, v0.42, or v0.45 from subscriberstar all look like that (in fact the the one in v0.45 is even more glitched); for now the only source I have that gives the "correct image" is an old v0.28 copy of mine.
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I am guessing the reason why I now have the glitched image is because of the renpy upgrade that forced me to download the entire copy instead of simply doing update patch.

Spoiler: v0.45 looks like this if anyone is interested

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Mine's like that too, wtf...

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Thank you kindly for the correct image. Gonna replace that asap.

 

[LoveWhiteHairedGirl]

So first, a little context:

I downloaded 0.23 of LiL on Sel's Subscribestar, because I know this is the last version before he reworked a lot of Chapter 1. Entire events were deleted or altered. Because of this, I thought I'd look at the deleted content since I'm replaying the game anyways.

Anyway, as I looked through the files to see what was different, I noticed this:

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The whole beginning of the game is completely different so far, so I'm curious to see how it holds up.

What other differences we have? I mean, you said it is completely different. I know only the fact Ayane sucked Akira's dick under desk-chan.

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With how much of an irrelevance Sana has been in Ch4 as the newest cover girl, I've more or less convinced myself that being on the cover bares little significance. But god Yumi's cute during that Christmas.

We are barely at the half of Ch.4, so we might have a lot more of Sana's events where she will present herself or something. But hell, we still don't know the reason why certain girls the cover girls. Yet we can exclude some things:
1. It is definitely not the RAS thing, since we have Makoto, who is not a cover girl, yet we have her in RAS for so long already.
2. There is no 2nd floor girl for now.
3. (There should be third thing, but I literally forgot it while writing...)

Possible explanations:
1. They are characters that love Akira for real, not because of his dick or something.
2. It is a specific Chapter of this girl, where she reaches her peak.
3. Selebus is just trolling us, not having a special order of girls, just putting a random one here.
4. They are arranged in a certain order, signifying something.

Also, if we remember, before Ch.4 covers were just screenshots from really important events in Akira's life. I still remember Maya's old cover, and it was beautiful... So, something significant will happen with Sana, I believe in it.
But also, every old cover had some kind of glitch effect... What if... No, stop it. LoveStupidTheoriesGuy

 

[LoveWhiteHairedGirl]

What's wrong with this developer?

He is an asshole who loves money more than fans. Yet he is really into his work, you know.

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

What other differences we have? I mean, you said it is completely different. I know only the fact Ayane sucked Akira's dick under desk-chan.

Quite a number of things are different:

1. The textbox used to be freaking huge.

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2. Ami had a lewd bath scene that was cut in the game's prologue. She feels more timid than usual and it's pretty cute.

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3. The Ami dream sequence is completely different in the older version. Instead of the more unsettling 'Breed Your Niece' mini game Ami with the creepy eyes, this one is played more like a straight-up h scene. You can see an image of this segment still on the front page as one of the preview images.

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4. Sprites are used and used often. It isn't full on CG-style renders 100% of the time like it is now.

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5. Ayane didn't run away when she saw Sensei's dick in the bathroom during the prologue Slumber Party event originally.

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6. This joke by Rin that got a chuckle out of me during the class introduction and I am now including.

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7. Rika and Nao-chan's character profiles just... not existing yet.

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And that's just what I've seen so far. It's weirdly interesting to go back and see what it used to be.

 

[SlidingSubject]

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[shmurfer]

Speaking of finding something unexpected from replaying, can any of you guys check your Ami's event Important Things or more specifically, an image file named "amisroomonefive25"? Mine looks...glitched.
View attachment 4254849
At first I thought I doodled too much and might have overwritten something by accident, but I was thoroughly vexed when I found out that image files with the same name straight out of fresh downloads of v0.41, v0.42, or v0.45 from subscriberstar all look like that (in fact the the one in v0.45 is even more glitched); for now the only source I have that gives the "correct image" is an old v0.28 copy of mine.
View attachment 4254851
I am guessing the reason why I now have the glitched image is because of the renpy upgrade that forced me to download the entire copy instead of simply doing update patch.

Spoiler: v0.45 looks like this if anyone is interested

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If this is an actual bug I'd love to know how he managed it. I can tell you there aren't any new copies of that image in the patches from 0.38 to 0.45 and I don't want to dig out an old hard drive to go further back. This feels incredibly stupid to be accidental. If it is something specific, the only thing I can point out is it's one of the few events that are named amis[event] rather than ami[event]

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

I mention it because as someone who has dabbled in programming, I know I could make detecting it months ahead really subtly / schizo'ly and then the actual lockouts crippling enough that I'd force someone else to spend an hour or so making a crack for it like they did for the current DRM. And the only thing stopping such a scenario is an ego trip.

And that I'm planning a playthrough where I try to grind up the ridiculous stuff (Ayane / Himawari events mainly but I might go for the sensei quest 'sex scenes' legitimately, and I don't want to also have to police my save file for red path instead of just using the guide mod which seems like a one way change. (Shampoo is also a fun thing to consider)

I know selebus and I can tell you that people underestimate what this man-child with an ego is capable of doing just for the bitterness of it.
I'd say it's more than likely that nothing is gonna happen if you use DRM but it's not absolutely impossible if he ends up adding countermeasures to it, that's why I discourage its use if you can get by without it. The first opportunity was during the whole renpy update, but through my regular combings of the game's code I didn't see anything out of the ordinary.
Since I too am obliged to "play" the game but I'm not a fucking idiot I also cheated Sensei-quest, but instead of using DRM I change some values in the game's code and then make sure to revert any changes after I'm done so that everything is left undetected.
My job here at this point is simply to make sure nothing fishy ever goes on and that if it does, that I can just give a clean save file to everyone who needs it

 

[Apollo259]

Speaking of finding something unexpected from replaying, can any of you guys check your Ami's event Important Things or more specifically, an image file named "amisroomonefive25"? Mine looks...glitched.
View attachment 4254849
At first I thought I doodled too much and might have overwritten something by accident, but I was thoroughly vexed when I found out that image files with the same name straight out of fresh downloads of v0.41, v0.42, or v0.45 from subscriberstar all look like that (in fact the the one in v0.45 is even more glitched); for now the only source I have that gives the "correct image" is an old v0.28 copy of mine.
View attachment 4254851
I am guessing the reason why I now have the glitched image is because of the renpy upgrade that forced me to download the entire copy instead of simply doing update patch.

Spoiler: v0.45 looks like this if anyone is interested

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My first thought was it must have broken when Selebus converted all the images to ".webp". But I looked in one of my old copy's of the game (v35 patched up to v41) and it was already a ".webp" and was not corrupted. So that's not what did it. If anyone wants to find when it broke it will be something between V35 and v41. I would guess a more recent version because someone surely would have seen it earlier if it happened a year ago.

I'm not sure why its getting more broken over time though. I wonder if the file size changed at all between them. Could be some strange behaviour of a corrupted ".webp", or something to do with compressing/decompressing a corrupted ".webp".

 

[shmurfer]

It almost has to be intentional unless he's using a script to prep downloads and it's re-saving that one image like 25 times per update. The fact it's not in the patches just full game downloads and is progressively getting worse

(Shampoo is also a fun thing to consider)

lmao nevermind. Going through the 0.45 happy event and I noticed that if you still had the shampoo, instead of getting the maya 2 profile unlock she just steals the shampoo back. Kinda bad omen for my grind everything hard run. Don't see any special variable saved for having it removed.

 

[barglenarglezous]

7. Rika and Nao-chan's character profiles just... not existing yet.

This was actually the pattern for the game's entire run. Character profiles didn't exist until the character was introduced in-game. Back in chapter 1, when Kirin was still in Wakana's class, her profile was in the side girl page. The side girl page when I started playing was just Sara, Haruka, Kaori, Karin, Kirin, and Maki, and the main girl page only had the first 10 girls, Molly, and Tsuneyo. There wasn't even a placeholder panel for girls who weren't in game yet. Just empty space.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

We are barely at the half of Ch.4, so we might have a lot more of Sana's events where she will present herself or something. But hell, we still don't know the reason why certain girls the cover girls. Yet we can exclude some things:
1. It is definitely not the RAS thing, since we have Makoto, who is not a cover girl, yet we have her in RAS for so long already.
2. There is no 2nd floor girl for now.
3. (There should be third thing, but I literally forgot it while writing...)

Possible explanations:
1. They are characters that love Akira for real, not because of his dick or something.
2. It is a specific Chapter of this girl, where she reaches her peak.
3. Selebus is just trolling us, not having a special order of girls, just putting a random one here.
4. They are arranged in a certain order, signifying something.

Also, if we remember, before Ch.4 covers were just screenshots from really important events in Akira's life. I still remember Maya's old cover, and it was beautiful... So, something significant will happen with Sana, I believe in it.
But also, every old cover had some kind of glitch effect... What if... No, stop it. LoveStupidTheoriesGuy

My guess is that at some point Selly might indeed want to create a theming with cover girls, which was a more natural assumption to make when the girls up there were Ami/Maya/Ayane, girls that beam with importance well before entering their respective chapters. After Ch4, however, he might have scratched it (accompanied with a menu change) and/or I have to put this guess of mine on the shelf because there is no ruling based on "current character stats or progression" will qualify Sana as the most suitable candidate.
- Rooftop access is not it, like you said.
- Who Sensei really loves is not it as well.
- Who really loves Sensei is also probably not it if Noriko isn't the strongest candidate.
- Sexual progression is definitely not it, needless to say.

There are of course dumb craps like "hey it's roommate theme!" or "OH these are the exact same 4 girls that went to karaoke together by the end of Ch3!", but both feel too random and lack logical explanation to be a determining factor.

And I am mostly too grouchy to bank my hope on Sana's future development (i.e., waiting for Selly's endorsement) that has yet to come in Ch4. First, we weren't just two months into Ch4; we are already done with one reset in Ch4 and Sana's quarterly reports are essentially blank. Second, I asked myself if I could still confidently say "This cover girl's moments will for sure come later and justify everything" if the cover girl gets swapped with Kirin. If not, where do I draw the line and why? It's thoughts like these that push me into thinking "maybe there is no trend or reasoning in cover girl selection" instead of "Sana will be relevant at some point based on a history record that I can't elaborate".

ONE theme that I might deem satisfactory is "how this girl shapes the respective chapter". Sana's role in Ch4 is that she could potentially be painted as the root cause of the Sensei Sad Arc; not being fucked properly in the infirmary by the end of Ch3 leads to Sensei receiving divine punishment and subsequently settles the overall mournful tone of Ch4, even if this isn't her fault at all. Alas, this is a take and not character stats so I am less inclined to put all the eggs into the same basket, even if the basket is my own headcannon.

If it is something specific, the only thing I can point out is it's one of the few events that are named amis[event] rather than ami[event]

That might just be the apostrophe s; Ami's room.

 

[TheRealWimzy]

Does this game actually have animations?
I'm like right after reset 3, haven't seen a single animated scene yet.
Is the 'animated' tag there just for the elevator-look scenes effects?
Anybody know?

 

[LoveWhiteHairedGirl]

Does this game actually have animations?
I'm like right after reset 3, haven't seen a single animated scene yet.
Is the 'animated' tag there just for the elevator-look scenes effects?
Anybody know?

Well, yeah. In the dorm scenes, invite scenes.