Bingoogus
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I can't wait to see it, it's inevitable and it will be glorious...
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As someone spearheading that discussion it was actually the other way around. After a long season of no reset, the season itself not working like all the other resets we've witnessed so far, a long drawn out sensei depression, Chika going fucking crazy after just being freshly 'betrayed' by Yumi, hints of a reset coming at halloween, no one to take Maya's spot to control the reset, Sel hinting at something controversial happeng in that update which was planned since chapter 1 and Chinami's death being something hinted at from chapter 1, there were a lot of big dangerous ways the reset could have happened and her death / wounding was starting to become a major catalyst for what triggers this reset.
But then we got a picture of Chinami hugging Sensei, I believe a preview with Chinami, Yumi and Chika in the same shot, and then a sweaty Chinami in bed. Those were 3 different scenarios to match her 3 events. There wasn't any room left for her to get hurt / sick enough to be dead a few events later in the next update.
We get the actual update and Miku gets penetrated with a big ol dick, and she bleeds and cries and the sex stops. Considering a few updates before that we had a CSA victim force Akira to rape her, and doesn't enjoy it so badly that Akira breaks down twice from how much her trauma doesn't fit into his trauma, Miku not preparing for sex was kinda tepid.
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Another quick note on the topic of '"Does Ami know more than she alludes to since the beginning?", here's an excerpt from the Chapter 1 Maya event Rewind/Repeat/Refuse.
Foe context: Akira enters Ami's and Maya's dorm room, they sit together and Ami invites him to join but Maya obviously is against it. Ultimately Ami forces them to spend time together by leaving to go take a shower so Akira and Maya talk about why she avoids him and that Akira will keep pursuing to be friends with her.
This is basically how this conversation ends:
Now I think this would be one of the examples that would support Moonflare's theory quite nicely. Assuming Ami is all-knowing to some extent, she might have planned to force those two together so that Akira gets annoyed and stops wanting to spend time with Maya and focus on Ami more.
Except, at the end of the day, as well all know, this does not work. It actually backfires. Maya's resolve seems to crumble, she even seems to realize that this Akira is different than the majority she had to deal with in past cycles. It becomes really obvious here:
In true Prime Maya fashion, she makes it sounds like it's pathetic and dumb of him to do that, yet I am certain that deep inside, she is stoked to find out that this iteration of Akira is not blindly pursuing the first girl that shows him affection (like Ami or Karin from other cycles) but that he is actively trying to befriend the objectively most uninterested and least convenient option out of all of them - her.
The player does not know this at this time, of course. But Ami would know, right? She mentions that Maya is acting weirdly and that Akira is trying to get to know her but that Maya somehow is not interested. Wouldn't an all-knowing Ami be on Maya's side instead of Akira's? What would be her goal in all of this, when her own behavior favors the two of them getting closer together?
I will die on this hill, I believe we are all ultimately victims of confirmation bias and will interpret past interactions to what fits our own views. To me it is not clear whatsoever that Ami has any form of prior knowledge of her own (by that I exclude any God and Sekai involvement). She really does act like a horny teenage girl that is really into her uncle and wants what's best for her friends. At least at the beginning of the game.
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Bonus Yumi scene, because we all love her.
Foe context: Akira enters Ami's and Maya's dorm room, they sit together and Ami invites him to join but Maya obviously is against it. Ultimately Ami forces them to spend time together by leaving to go take a shower so Akira and Maya talk about why she avoids him and that Akira will keep pursuing to be friends with her.
This is basically how this conversation ends:
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Except, at the end of the day, as well all know, this does not work. It actually backfires. Maya's resolve seems to crumble, she even seems to realize that this Akira is different than the majority she had to deal with in past cycles. It becomes really obvious here:
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The player does not know this at this time, of course. But Ami would know, right? She mentions that Maya is acting weirdly and that Akira is trying to get to know her but that Maya somehow is not interested. Wouldn't an all-knowing Ami be on Maya's side instead of Akira's? What would be her goal in all of this, when her own behavior favors the two of them getting closer together?
I will die on this hill, I believe we are all ultimately victims of confirmation bias and will interpret past interactions to what fits our own views. To me it is not clear whatsoever that Ami has any form of prior knowledge of her own (by that I exclude any God and Sekai involvement). She really does act like a horny teenage girl that is really into her uncle and wants what's best for her friends. At least at the beginning of the game.
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Bonus Yumi scene, because we all love her.
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Oh! I have a solution! There's this app similar to BetterDiscord called Vencord, I'm using it and one of the plugins there is MessageLogger, no matter what, if a message gets deleted, you'll be able to see it, so long as it isn't too old to get auto-deleted to save up space and you have discord open. There's two versions of Vencord, Browser extension and installer for application discord, you'll have to go to settings afterwards and then plugin and search for MessageLogger.
Hope this helps (and gets a me more leeks
)Also something off topic, either Disney is stupid or smart releasing Mufasa same day as Sonic 3, because people would drive down for sonic but afterwards could watch Mufasa, or they tried to get a bigger audience than Sonic 3.
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Since we have to wait another month for the new version, I decided to watch an old anime (damn, a 2012 anime can be considered old). To be honest, I don't usually watch anime, but I finished watching "Love, Chuunibyou & Other Delusions" in two days. I watched both seasons, all the specials (except for the Christmas one) and the first movie. Now, I have to watch the second movie and read the light novel.
Damn, Rikka is the cutest and most silly girl I've ever seen, lmao. I always liked chuunibyou characters, but if I had watched it years ago, I would have cringed a lot, but now I accept my cringy self and just enjoy it.
Damn, Rikka is the cutest and most silly girl I've ever seen, lmao. I always liked chuunibyou characters, but if I had watched it years ago, I would have cringed a lot, but now I accept my cringy self and just enjoy it.
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Again with the devil's advocate, Ami knowing stuff and Ami managing to pull things off aren't exactly the same thing. We're talking about the girl that spent thousands of years getting cucked by everyone else with the help of her mother, because Akira wasn't a sad boy after Sekai marrying him.
I only watched it once but when I did, I did it in the same fashion - all at once. It is a great romance/coming of age anime!
I am very angry at this picture. I never got over Kirin's blackmail/sexual assault arc and I don't see her sacrificing herself to let Akira know that Ami's a psychopath any time soon. Well, at least he tends to be aggressive with her and put her down during sex.
Also, I wonder if Maya will recognize the scarf. It would be interesting, but also a very long shot in the dark if by taking the scarf back, Maya Prime managed to download herself back into New Maya's avatar. Finally, I wonder who Chika saw, I guess it would have to be Kirin, since seeing Niki is probably going to be the culmination of her insane arc. Selebus has to farm this some more.
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This is similar what I mentioned in my most original post, but what I failed to elaborate is that "I believe early Ami and recent Ami are knowledge-wise not the same person". Therefore, I do not need to force myself to see things as Ami faking it when past interactions were not situations where Ami was clearly faking it. Meanwhile, your idea is that "early Ami knowledge-wise has always been the exact same person as recent Ami the whole time". In order for that to work, you have to see things as Ami always faking it (not just when she's with Maya; it has to be every single moment) because you have to.
I.e., you're supporting your claim with a subjective lens, and you'll have to offer something that's other than "because recent Ami knows so the early Ami must've known as well" and can do a clear demonstration on how much early Ami knew in order to prove your case. And I will go a step ahead and say that the spare key incident and the "they both see things that no one else can see" you mentioned will not be valid unless you can prove that what those are insinuating is exactly the same as what you claim. As in, you need to elaborate on how those connect to early Ami knew stuff and more importantly, how those connect ONLY to that and not some unused side plots or pretentious red herrings on Selly's end.
How my brain deals with this dilemma is exactly like you proposed, however: I assumed that Ami gained/regained knowledge at a certain point (or more violently, she got swapped either physically or mentally like Sensei iterations' situation) and facilitated the transformation of early jolly Ami to recent evil Ami. My headcanon is that I assume it happened when Ami got crucified, but in reality I am not 100% sure when/how/why. Getting triggered by reset talks or great disturbances in the game sounds appealingly plausible as well, but again the point is that: until that happens in the story, we don't need to see early Ami the same person as recent Ami, both knowledge-wise and sinister-wise (unless you manage to prove that it happened extremely early on that is).
That's my hill move over!
I honestly quite like the idea of Ami being the ultimate antagonist this whole time, but these past interactions are far from qualified as any form of justification. If an argument is something similar to "Ami faked it" or "Ami planned it", then you create this argument not because it's obvious from these scenes that Ami masterminded everything, but because it's a subjective but necessary bias required for your hypothesis to work, and you can't use the goal you're trying to prove as the validation of your proof (if that makes sense).
In other words, one will need additional but very direct materials to prove the same concept from a different angle to cement the idea "early Ami already knew shit and/or planned shit just like recent Ami did". If the newest aggressive Ami came out and confessed about something the early jolly Ami did in Ch1 actually being an elaborate plot of hers, I'd yield. If the early jolly Ami every once in a while had those "silent evil heh" frames the newest aggressive Ami so commonly showed, I'd yield. These would help avoid pitfalls like neglecting the easier options on the table and going for the more arguable options not because they're more possible, but because they're required for the sake of the theory.
Now I wonder if one day, after LiL ends, Selebus will find time to make supplementary material expanding on events from the game, kinda like the WoW novels.
Also, the latter wouldn't necessarily be evidence of mastermind Ami, just, y'know, Ami being possessive and acting on it.
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Now, Kiss:
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Sincerely hope their history isn't just swept under the rug.
question to you all, how much do you all think this game has traumatized me? from 1 being the lowest to 5 being like my brain just can't cry anymore and just wants sweet ------?
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Yes that is the correct answer I am past chapter 3 and my brain is doing gymnastics trying to figure out why the fuck are my eyes swelling up again oh also 350 hours is what it took me to get where I am, I want to die
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For you? About 8 bananas out of a sandwich. For me? Not even a little... This game isn't traumatizing at all cause it's just fiction, it's interesting but none of it is real... honestly, i kinda lose a bit of my humanity every time i see someone crying in this thread for a completely stupid reason, and to be clear, they're all stupid reasons; Maya died? Whaa. Someone was mean to someone else? Whaa. Nodoka/Niki/Kirin is a poopy pants? Whaa. Closest this game has come to traumatizing was stomachache, but even that was simply an intense experience, i didn't walk away with any scars, just a new insight into a subject i have no personal experience with.
I think I remember Selebus saying once that he would be open to writing gaiden chapters / content for the girls, except Sensei wouldn't be present. This was an interesting comment I find myself contemplating from time to time. This could mean -
1) Selebus is a DUMB DUMB YURI HEAD who, once given the opportunity, will eradicate all penises from his writing
2) Sensei is the non-real figure rather than Ami/Ayane/Maya and won't exist in the reality which follows breaking out of LiL's fiction
2.5) This would follow from Sensei being the one who committed suicide at the start and necessitated his students to imagine a world with him alive (much like it is likely he is doing that with Maya right now)
3) Sensei is a real figure who would be present in the future except since the true route is abandoning a reliance on fiction (possibly almost the entire cast of LiL, possibly just the second floor of the dormitory) he won't be there and fiction will have to continue for fiction's sake
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Nothing good happens when you share a weiner with Ayane. Chika has rabies and now Kirin might get turned into somebody's front porch after Chika is done with her.
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Dude has the empathy of a rock.
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Bingoogus has entered his villain arc.
I, personally, events that closely resemble my life aside, have dealt with many unexpected and conflicting feelings while playing, which is something considering my age.
Also many of the character arcs are compelling. Not all and not all the time certainly, but there are moments.