Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.53.0] [Selebus]

[fdsasdf_p]

My god it took me forever to understand something so simple. Akira needs to take something that does not belong to him, because Sekai took something from him that didn't belong to her.

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aramaug might have some answers for this, since I remember him talking about this event a while back. But I welcome others' perspectives as well.

This is a pretty interesting way to perceive Sekai’s behavior, and I bet there has to be some level of truth in here with this as it helps explain why and how ghost Sekai knows what the gods want from Akira: not because this is somehow a common knowledge to those now reside in a different plane, but it's because Sekai is a former victim of the same divine power.

My thoughts on your questions can generalized into a single assumption: the highest principle of a god's homework is to "learn to feel through someone" rather than simply boiling down to "having sex with minors". As in, though both Akira's and Sekai's homework all involving "taking something that does not belong to you" sound very spot on and fitting to the core idea of the game, it is perhaps that what Sekai was tasked to do wasn't exactly the same as what Akira was tasked to do despite the fact that BOTH of them performed statutory rape. Akira's homework looked like this is might be due to her past relations with Sekai, and following the same idea, how Sekai's homework might also be designed based on a something/someone in her own life prior to meeting Akira; Sekai falling in love with Akira and scarring him for life was the result of her homework and her eventually very twisted love, but not the method to finish her homework.
(My additional question here is that this train of thought can supposedly be backtracked to Yuu, the presumed source of that bloodline and all the weird shit. What was his homework back then if any?)

And all of this might be something apart from just maintaining believers. Having believers is, according to Pareidolia and the content during reset1 and reset2 opening, presumed to be how gods remain in power and alive; how they practice that power and livelihood might be a completely different story (i.e., in a short and vile sentence: if you believe in HOPE, he will live; but he will ask you rape kids as long as he lives because the chaotic power you help bring into being will have to act on something).

Applying all these to HOPE:
- The "taking something that does not belong to you" is a specific task for Akira instead of HOPE's sole working principle, even if Sekai ended up indeed taking something that didn't belong to her.
- It has to be Akira and not some other randoms HOPE can cast some effects on to carry out his will because, at the current point of time, Akira might be presumably the only available special person after Sekai's death
- Transference might be the same as "taking something that does not belong to you" because Akira's been fucking everything since he woke up and apparently HOPE is still not happy with him; it might have to be some selected females like Sana by the end of Ch3 being handed over on a silver plate, so that the warmth can flow back to him (or however Yasu described about the proper way to transfer love back to HOPE). Or, transference and "taking something that does not belong to you" are in fact different things.
(skipping Wires because imo the core belief of the second god has not been well demonstrated yet)

why maya still says this when u refuse to have sex with Ami

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is this a bug or Am I missing something?

A few frames prior to that dialogue was this glitchy scene, so it wasn't an oversight at least. As for the nature of this contradiction, you can either believe that somehow good uncle route got briefly course corrected to the bad uncle route, or Selly was lazy or unwilling to to make an alternative for those who didn't fuck Ami.

 

[hopeisdead6969]

Mistress of Munks...?

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[shmurfer]

Mistress of Munks...?

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[shmurfer]

Sana? Wtf was that?
"You'll never be off the hook, Sensei. Not until my mom cuts the line. And even then, you'll have to swim away with it dangling off your lip, hanging there until the day you die." wtf...?

You'd have only seen that dialogue if you've been sleeping with Sara. Sana really doesn't want you around Sara for reasons she isn't willing to admit yet, maybe even to herself. (The last chat you had with her was the condoms in Sara's room)

Either way she's going to be possessive until she's convinced there's nothing going on between you two. Considering what this game is...fun times ahead!

Carrot are evil! How dare they make us see all the horrible things in the world!?

Huh. This might be something I need to remember myself as a dropped thread in modern updates.

Apparently this lottery code can flag you as a cheater if you didn't play this happy event. Actually... what do being flagged as a cheater even do?

Not sure where you're reading that, but Sel has at this point already put work into the reset puzzles, punishing people who follow a guide for the answers and skipping through his events. I could see him pulling the same trick and locking you out of progressing the game if you tried going to the next reset without seeing this happy event, which is manually triggered.

The rest is all about care packages commentary.

I hope you read discussions about them and protected yourself. If you've loaded them into the game I can't guarantee how safe you'll be. Maybe make a backup of your saves outside of the game folder just in case.

 

[LoveWhiteHairedGirl]

lso, why Sakakibara and not Sakibara?

Because Sana and Sara are Sakakibaras. Not Sakibaras.

That was a rather tame happy event in the jumpscare factor.

Not spoilering much, but from this point the happy events stop trying to make you scared but rather telling something very interesting. Hell, they never tried to scare you, but making you feel discomfort, yes. Aside for the very first one, which is trying to be scary and basically a filter: "are you going to keep playing this game or not?"

...well that aged poorly. They were still waiting right outside.

One of most hilarious scenes in the game.

 

[hopeisdead6969]

True lies.

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[hopeisdead6969]

Also, more fodder for the Yumi is actually tsundere in the beginning theory.

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[Moonflare]

This played for me after the event where Sensei first meets up with Makoto outside of school hours on Saturday, at the park. After the scene, it cuts to Yumi from behind, observing them in secret, but there's no real payoff for it.

The payoff is at "this town has two halves". Yumi will mention Makoto and ask Akira if he's fucking her, which he will then interpret as her being jealous, which spirals into what happened.

*There are also instances of her being jealous of Futaba, but that's beside the point.

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[hopeisdead6969]

The payoff is at "this town has two halves". Yumi will mention Makoto and ask Akira if he's fucking her, which he will then interpret as her being jealous, which spirals into what happened.

WHOA! SPOILERS, BRO! I've only played through the game twice so far!

But yeah, I mean, I guess I'm just taking it from the perspective of someone pretending they are an idiot (which I'm not) that might have missed a shit ton of stuff (which I of course didn't) and could find interesting on a subsequent subsequent playthrough.

Considering I didn't even take the game seriously until "this town has two halves" on my initial run, and my second playthrough was far to inebriated to be remembered, I think its safe to say that this playthrough is quite different for me, and reading your (and all the lore folk's) explanations has made it a much more enriching experience. I just hope to give some points of interest to other (totally not idiot) people like myself that might find it interesting.

 

[LoveWhiteHairedGirl]

I believe Yumi supposed to take Ayane's place.

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[LessonsInDissonance]

I believe Yumi supposed to take Ayane's place.

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As much as I love Yumi, I am glad that Selebus decided to go for a calmer approach with the story.

Your tinfoil theory isn't that tinfoily, but you got it the other way around.
Based on what we can see in the game, Yumi was the special girl in the past based on her subconscious memories, but now it's Ayane, it's her who replaced Yumi.

 

[DeSkel15]

Still waiting to see how things go between Ayane and Yumi, tbh.

They have an almost confrontational relationship at times:

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The True End: Ayane vs Yumi.
Meanwhile, me:

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[VoidExile]

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I don't know what this is doing to my fear to spiders. I would have to see it moving around to figure it out...

You'd have only seen that dialogue if you've been sleeping with Sara. Sana really doesn't want you around Sara for reasons she isn't willing to admit yet, maybe even to herself. (The last chat you had with her was the condoms in Sara's room)

Correct and, I've already gathered that much.

Not sure where you're reading that, but Sel has at this point already put work into the reset puzzles, punishing people who follow a guide for the answers and skipping through his events. I could see him pulling the same trick and locking you out of progressing the game if you tried going to the next reset without seeing this happy event, which is manually triggered.

The puzzle guide txt on the first page.
So basically being marked as a cheater doesn't do anything at the moment?

I hope you read discussions about them and protected yourself. If you've loaded them into the game I can't guarantee how safe you'll be. Maybe make a backup of your saves outside of the game folder just in case.

That's the thing. I have to go out of my way to read god knows how much text before I know exactly how protected I have to be. The disable drm thing doesn't properly explain much, I don't know if it's been updated, I don't know what files to put in etc. Now what I do know however is that if it ONLY apply to the game folder the care packages are in at the moment, I should be 100% safe, both because it should already be saving in user data somewhere but also because the care packages are on a separate folder standalone from the one that doesn't have the care packages installed. Also I have a copy of the save folder in my pc's trash can that's half a day of gameplay old. I'm debating going the extra mile by putting it on a usb stick. But honestly I wouldn't have to do anything if the information surrounding the care packages here was properly updated for dummies. I dunno, I'm just kinda pissed having walked in several circles with far too many unknowns. I never did put the disable drm thing on the folder hosting the care packages btw. That folder also has urm installed.

Because Sana and Sara are Sakakibaras. Not Sakibaras.

Uhuh...?

One of most hilarious scenes in the game.

Oh I don't know about most hilarious. I would say Karin fainting after tsuneyo asking what sex is was the best so far. Followed by Rin being told to not look down, does it anyway and sees his boner. Good times. This one was actually pretty tame in comparison, but humor doesn't affect everyone equally.

 

[shmurfer]

So basically being marked as a cheater doesn't do anything at the moment?

No, there's different cheater marks and different punishments. There's a generic cheater flag for using any of the stat modifying cheats and it punishes you at the start of chapter 3 or something by wiping all of your affection scores, setting a punished flag and preventing you from using the stat modifying cheats.

If you went to the reset that has the upside down bedroom and answered all the questions without seeing the happy event that had some of the answers in it, you would have reached the point where the two angels are talking to you, and then happy ami comes to insult you and close your game, hopefully you had a older save to fix it.

I'm assuming the next reset has a similar check and it would urge you to see the happy event that you just saw. Because I don't want to back and quote it, I believe youdidit appeared in previous happy events but didn't have a speaking role yet

That's the thing. I have to go out of my way to read god knows how much text before I know exactly how protected I have to be. The disable drm thing doesn't properly explain much, I don't know if it's been updated, I don't know what files to put in etc. Now what I do know however is that if it ONLY apply to the game folder the care packages are in at the moment, I should be 100% safe, both because it should already be saving in user data somewhere but also because the care packages are on a separate folder standalone from the one that doesn't have the care packages installed. Also I have a copy of the save folder in my pc's trash can that's half a day of gameplay old. I'm debating going the extra mile by putting it on a usb stick. But honestly I wouldn't have to do anything if the information surrounding the care packages here was properly updated for dummies. I dunno, I'm just kinda pissed having walked in several circles with far too many unknowns. I never did put the disable drm thing on the folder hosting the care packages btw. That folder also has urm installed.

It hasn't been updated nor had other people explain it properly cause few people were smart enough to figure out what happened. The drm is hidden within a image file of the dorms, and gui.rpy has a call to the file presumably to check it. The patched gui.rpy just deletes the call. I'm not sure if gui.rpy is updated often, I warn people using it to repatch every update but it gui.rpy updated in any meaningful way surely something would break from a file that's several years out of date.

I don't know if it's a specific moment that calls the drm, some other people have mentioned it'd happen when the game queries to load care packages but I feel you would have already been bitten by that.

I wouldn't call your saves safe just cause you had a separate install. renpy makes a backup of saves based on project name in appdata, and propogates later save changes to the other location. If the drm got you on your care package install, and then you load your main game without purging the corrupt saves in theory they'd overwrite the good copy of your saves.

separate USB disk is hella overkill, there's only so much fuck selebus and whoever he outsourced the DRM to have to find your saves. I'd say a backup of your saves folder outside of your LIL folder is secure enough. (though I just read the scripts for the care packages to avoid the issue entirely, though I guess I don't get to listen to memories.mp3 with the stray cat commentary like that)

Hell you said you have a save 'backup' that's only half a day old. You could probably just load that save at worst case and just leave unseen text skip off, then skip what text you have seen until something new comes up. Would only take a couple minutes like that.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

Also, more fodder for the Yumi is actually tsundere in the beginning theory.

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Adding something additional:
- Her being a tsun might have been certified by Maya ever since Ch1.

Whenever Sensei thinks Yumi is a tusn or when we think Yumi is a tusn, it carries a huge subjective wish with it, hoping that this meanie actually likes you deep down as we digest Yumi's every reaction in an intentionally biased way. The weight is very different when the same thing is stated by Maya, the game-certified, almost thoroughly objective observer of this strange universe. If Maya wasn't just joking along with it, that implies Yumi being a tsundere for Sensei must have been true and must have been observed by Maya at least in some past cycles. That, or at least once there was a Yumi so lovey-dovey that it permanently burnt into Maya's retina and subsequently made Maya classify Yumi as a tsundere whenever Maya saw Yumi being mean to Sensei.

- Another indirect piece is that, we've seen Yumi's comeback at Nodoka. Yumi will resort to violence when the trigger is right. So why didn't she do the same to Sensei when he forced that kiss? Why didn't she seek revenge afterwards or rather, why didn't she just push him off the bridge right at the spot? Why did she still have the will to sit with him on the grass and tell him to never ever do that shit again, instead of just going postal and rightfully yanking his dick off? What reason other than Sensei is already an important figure to Yumi that early in the game can make her response sensible? What behind that reason might not have to be romantic, but the fact that she berates someone important to her is already a textbook tsun behavior.

Yumi: WHAT THE FUCK DOES BERATE MEAN?!
Edit: I currently don't count Yumi having a hidden kink of being forced as one of the acceptable reasons; it feels too cheap and convenient of an out of the jail free card for something even Sensei regretted.

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[VoidExile]

No, there's different cheater marks and different punishments. There's a generic cheater flag for using any of the stat modifying cheats and it punishes you at the start of chapter 3 or something by wiping all of your affection scores, setting a punished flag and preventing you from using the stat modifying cheats.

If you went to the reset that has the upside down bedroom and answered all the questions without seeing the happy event that had some of the answers in it, you would have reached the point where the two angels are talking to you, and then happy ami comes to insult you and close your game, hopefully you had a older save to fix it.

I'm assuming the next reset has a similar check and it would urge you to see the happy event that you just saw. Because I don't want to back and quote it, I believe youdidit appeared in previous happy events but didn't have a speaking role yet

Why have stat editing cheats usable in the game if you are just gonna remove them later on? Does it also apply to urm and other methods? What if you committed to playing after having modified Ayane's lust for the beach event for the secret scene with that mystery girl?

Why allow players to miss happy events and then punishing them for looking up the information elsewhere? Are the events in which you get punished for not having seen the event but still answering the question right suppose to be unavoidable and if you answer incorrectly, can you still move on beyond that point? Non of this affects me, I'm just curious.

No, there's different cheater marks and different punishments. There's a generic cheater flag for using any of the stat modifying cheats and it punishes you at the start of chapter 3 or something by wiping all of your affection scores, setting a punished flag and preventing you from using the stat modifying cheats.

If you went to the reset that has the upside down bedroom and answered all the questions without seeing the happy event that had some of the answers in it, you would have reached the point where the two angels are talking to you, and then happy ami comes to insult you and close your game, hopefully you had a older save to fix it.

I'm assuming the next reset has a similar check and it would urge you to see the happy event that you just saw. Because I don't want to back and quote it, I believe youdidit appeared in previous happy events but didn't have a speaking role yet



It hasn't been updated nor had other people explain it properly cause few people were smart enough to figure out what happened. The drm is hidden within a image file of the dorms, and gui.rpy has a call to the file presumably to check it. The patched gui.rpy just deletes the call. I'm not sure if gui.rpy is updated often, I warn people using it to repatch every update but it gui.rpy updated in any meaningful way surely something would break from a file that's several years out of date.

I don't know if it's a specific moment that calls the drm, some other people have mentioned it'd happen when the game queries to load care packages but I feel you would have already been bitten by that.

I wouldn't call your saves safe just cause you had a separate install. renpy makes a backup of saves based on project name in appdata, and propogates later save changes to the other location. If the drm got you on your care package install, and then you load your main game without purging the corrupt saves in theory they'd overwrite the good copy of your saves.

separate USB disk is hella overkill, there's only so much fuck selebus and whoever he outsourced the DRM to have to find your saves. I'd say a backup of your saves folder outside of your LIL folder is secure enough. (though I just read the scripts for the care packages to avoid the issue entirely, though I guess I don't get to listen to memories.mp3 with the stray cat commentary like that)

Hell you said you have a save 'backup' that's only half a day old. You could probably just load that save at worst case and just leave unseen text skip off, then skip what text you have seen until something new comes up. Would only take a couple minutes like that.

A save folder currently in the trash can that's a day old (I dunno, I just think it would be dumb of anyone to try to check the trash can for files, so I put it there for security reasons?). Then there is the version of the game with URM and the care packages that I don't actively play on. Then there is the main one without either that I actively play on. Then there is the appdata one. I imagine the the drm thing would check two locations, the folder that triggered the purge for the save files (so in this case the one with URM and care packages installed) and the appdata default location. So in the case that the saves do get purged, I should in theory just have to deleted the URM and care packages folder and the save folder in appdata and then load up the one in the main game folder which should create a new appdata with the save files. I imagine they should be the same, right? Only that the one in appdata takes priority. But with no save files in appdata, it should just fetch the ones from the main game folder, right? So there should be virtually no way for me to lose all my saves and the persistent file which updates regularly with whatever dialogue I have seen, unless I go about it in a stupid way. I don't even think I need a standalone save location if this were the case.
Also I don't know how to check the script or anything like that. Don't really bother learning. I do know I can check if the gui has been updated by taking the existing file and the downloadable file and putting them into a text comparison file. Anyone can do that pretty sure. But I wouldn't know where or what to look for in this case.

 

[Bingoogus]

Personally, I don't like this theory LOL. It reduces her tsundere character to a mere byproduct of the time fuckery when I really wish she is just a dumbass tsundere.

You dislike it? Shit man, i've been operating under this explanation for so long now that the idea of questioning it kinda baffles me... i mean, it's fair to do so, but i think i'm too rusted on to budge, how would a Yumi who is already somewhat tsundere compute and function with all that chaotic time fuckery shoved into her head... even more tsundere i would think... it's not really a case of either/or, the time fuckery is just a force multiplier like it is for all the girls...

 

[shmurfer]

Why have

Sel is a pretentious dickhead answers all of these I have questions and that attitude lead to him both banned and getting his game promotion banned from here. (e.g How dare you peasants skip my happy events, I'm going to hide required information to complete the reset inside of them)

So there should be virtually no way for me to lose all my saves and the persistent file which updates regularly with whatever dialogue I have seen, unless I go about it in a stupid way. I don't even think I need a standalone save location if this were the case.

Yeah you should be able to cobble your saves back together with all of that. I don't think Sel has much file control outside of the LiL folder and the appdata folder.

Your biggest worry is him getting annoyed and putting a new piece of DRM in the game next update while running care packages.

 

[gazgiz]

Why have stat editing cheats usable in the game if you are just gonna remove them later on? Does it also apply to urm and other methods? What if you committed to playing after having modified Ayane's lust for the beach event for the secret scene with that mystery girl?

Sel, is at his core a Brechtian. Him being a massive tool may be a character he plays to enhance the Brechtian experience, or he could be drawn to creating a Brechtian story because he is a massive tool.

What I mean by Brechtian, is a media form that expressly wishes the audience to never lose site of the medium (in this case an H-Game) while at the same time also confounding the audiences expectations of the medium. The basic idea of an H-Game, no matter the quality of the story or depth of the characters, is that we are here to goon. Probably to a bunch of fetishes we don't really want to partake in irl.

If you take a game like College Daze that has a similar set of fetishes and a genuinely fun story (if you actually care to take the time), they know that you're here to goon. Enjoy your rape and mind control and incest if that's your thing! Don't like that don't worry about it! Wanna just goon and see any content you want, here is a list of cheats!

Now, over here, it's giving you a hot H-Scene but then you also have to deal with the very real impact of your fetish? Oh is the ramifications of your fetish hurting *your* feelings? Maybe you don't wanna subject the girl I've made you care about to that? Locked out of content. You just came here to goon when I've written that many words? Ok fine. Here are some cheats. Enjoy going back to the start.

You may think that this is a shitty way of making art (I personally love it) but considering this game has 2480 pages of discussion and most of us are chomping at the bit for more, we all certainly do respond to it.

 

[Bingoogus]

Sel, is at his core a Brechtian. Him being a massive tool may be a character he plays to enhance the Brechtian experience, or he could be drawn to creating a Brechtian story because he is a massive tool.

What I mean by Brechtian, is a media form that expressly wishes the audience to never lose site of the medium (in this case an H-Game) while at the same time also confounding the audiences expectations of the medium. The basic idea of an H-Game, no matter the quality of the story or depth of the characters, is that we are here to goon. Probably to a bunch of fetishes we don't really want to partake in irl.

If you take a game like College Daze that has a similar set of fetishes and a genuinely fun story (if you actually care to take the time), they know that you're here to goon. Enjoy your rape and mind control and incest if that's your thing! Don't like that don't worry about it! Wanna just goon and see any content you want, here is a list of cheats!

Now, over here, it's giving you a hot H-Scene but then you also have to deal with the very real impact of your fetish? Oh is the ramifications of your fetish hurting *your* feelings? Maybe you don't wanna subject the girl I've made you care about to that? Locked out of content. You just came here to goon when I've written that many words? Ok fine. Here are some cheats. Enjoy going back to the start.

You may think that this is a shitty way of making art (I personally love it) but considering this game has 2480 pages of discussion and most of us are chomping at the bit for more, we all certainly do respond to it.

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