Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.53.0] [Selebus]

[Squalicorax]

Thinking about the whole Ami/Maya weirdness that was talked about yesterday, I just got to the Letter T and remembered our original Happy Maya's name was Amiokay. That always stood out to me but I never knew what to make of. Still don't, actually, but it certainly stands out even more with those ideas in mind.

Still not totally on board with the idea Maya just is an Ami or is actively emulating her, simply because I like Maya and I think her fucked up backstory with Akira is interesting and it would be a bummer if she actually just appeared after the loops started and all that's retroactive false memories stuff.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

Have we come to a conclusion about the hair ornament Imani uses yet? She's one of my favorite characters, but the fact that it's the same type as the one Sekai uses is a bit too strange to be coincidental. (Or I'm just extremely paranoid.)

Don’t think there is a solid conclusion or community consensus on this. For me though, the fact that another innocent soul Touka also wears a similar hairpin from time to time is enough to convince me that it doesn’t really mean anything as far as I am concerned.

 

[Squalicorax]

For me though, the fact that another innocent soul Touka also wears a similar hairpin from time to time is enough to convince me that it doesn’t really mean anything as far as I am concerned.

I would be remiss not to bring up my somewhat crack theory about Sekai being tied to the Tsukiokas in some way again. You have the spooky sakura tree, Sekai is the main recurring association with Sakuras. You have the Tsukiokas with records of the Yasu religion. A bit of a bigger leap from there but I think Living Sekai somehow had some kind of ties to the older supernatural stuff in Kumon Mi with the whole wishing well and Xoanon stuff.

Not saying Touka is actively a member of a weird cult, but I think the weirdness of the Tsukioka's might not just be rich people shit but tied to older traditions and the butterfly thing might be a family thing that comes from those older indiginous Kumon-Mi traditions.

As for Imani? I have no clue. She likes bugs. Bugs are weirdly tied to happy event stuff, especially early on, I think Sekai also likes bugs. I think bugs might mean something deeper than their use for grossout moments but who knows man, kinda grasping at straw there.

 

[Squalicorax]

Wait, adding onto that bit with the Sekai and Tsukioka tree connection, I went back to read Mother's Milk to brush up on the wishing well stuff, and when Nao poses with Sekai, this is the tree in the background right?

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[alteros]

Spoiler: 0.49 Nodokathon skip

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Finally caught back up, this was absolutely worth it. Bonus points for not making Haruka and Sara miserable. I think I'm almost entirely red path except for Sara, Maki, and Ami at this point but those I think I'll leave because I don't see anything wrong with the first two and Ami route adds a bunch.

Also picking Ayane for the Be Nice to Sensei contest is extremely sweet, I loved it.

 

[fasoaga]

Spoiler: 0.49 Nodokathon skip

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Finally caught back up, this was absolutely worth it. Bonus points for not making Haruka and Sara miserable. I think I'm almost entirely red path except for Sara, Maki, and Ami at this point but those I think I'll leave because I don't see anything wrong with the first two and Ami route adds a bunch.

Also picking Ayane for the Be Nice to Sensei contest is extremely sweet, I loved it.

Why do i feel like it wasn't written by Ayane but Himawari.

 

[shmurfer]

Why do i feel like it wasn't written by Ayane but Himawari.

I hope not, It would have huge implications for a character who's infamous for only making green path appearances.

 

[chikipiki]

Since Times New Roman actually happened in alternate world. What do u guys think of Paper Town? Did Sensei really go through and murder the rest of them to reset the world or something? The event clearly happened in some level of realism cause you keep the shampoo if u pick it up and can lose it on next reset. ( Though I guess Maya was murdered in Paper Town but was alive in the rooftop )

 

[TheGoodPastor]

Since Times New Roman actually happened in alternate world. What do u guys think of Paper Town? Did Sensei really go through and murder the rest of them to reset the world or something? The event clearly happened in some level of realism cause you keep the shampoo if u pick it up and can lose it on next reset. ( Though I guess Maya was murdered in Paper Town but was alive in the rooftop )

I wouldn't call that proof of realism, if the fridge-shampoo was a hallucination to begin with then Sensei could simply be hallucinating he still has it because he took it lol

I don't think he went through and murdered the rest of them. None of them are aged up like Sana was in the house to match the time-skip, Ami is there despite being dead and he shoots Ayane multiple times without her reacting - plus he wakes up to find he's still in the house before waking up properly on the roof for the actual reset. I think the Paper Town segment is in his head and purely symbolic.

 

[Hungnoxu]

Wow, Sel really knows how to start Chapter 3 after all the fun in Chapter 2, huh? Damn... this is gonna be a wild ride for me

 

[hopeisdead6969]

Wow, what an underwhelming update. Not a huge surprise, as I feel a lot of Chapter 4 has been that way. Some have pointed out its lack of proper pacing and lack of hard hitting events. The event where Rika takes his phone was one of the only times I've had a "Oh shit" moment in quite a while with LiL, and its a shame, but not the end of the world.

If you want my take on what's going on with Sel as a writer, click the spoiler below.

For TL;DR: Sel is pushing through an area of his story where very little planning was done and is very hit and miss with updates and scenes due to this. I hope he gets an editor (LUL) or at least goes back and edits Chapter 4 in the future, kinda like how Chapter 1 was.

Spoiler: Writer Analysis

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[Squalicorax]

I wouldn't call that proof of realism, if the fridge-shampoo was a hallucination to begin with then Sensei could simply be hallucinating he still has it because he took it lol

I don't think he went through and murdered the rest of them. None of them are aged up like Sana was in the house to match the time-skip, Ami is there despite being dead and he shoots Ayane multiple times without her reacting - plus he wakes up to find he's still in the house before waking up properly on the roof for the actual reset. I think the Paper Town segment is in his head and purely symbolic.

I think most of Paper City is purely symbolic, but I think the framing device is of note, and what made me think there was weird world shenanigans in the first place. Not the going around shooting people part, but this part:

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Basically, I think that while the event is largely symbolic, I think the part about Akira being missing is interesting, and I'm actually not confident it's connected directly to Times New Roman. There's obviously the Ami bit you've mentioned, but the whole framing device around the class writing a card for Akira seems like a different event unrelated to the Ami death timeline. The class doesn't seem to understand why he's missing, Ami's the one having them write the card, the murder scene is at the dorms, the whole class, including sana, are young, etc. Ayane also mentions she's "chased him across Paper City for years on end" and "endured apocalypse after apocalypse." which I think is the single biggest killer for there being any connection to Times New Roman since the loops have continued for this version of Ayane.

 

[Yog'Sothoth]

Before I commit to playing what looks like another huge-ass game, can someone confirm me a few things? Mainly just how is the "horror" tag in this game, that is, how far does it go? Also, do we have the option of a harem route or we have to choose between a couple girls?

 

[LoveWhiteHairedGirl]

Before I commit to playing what looks like another huge-ass game, can someone confirm me a few things? Mainly just how is the "horror" tag in this game, that is, how far does it go? Also, do we have the option of a harem route or we have to choose between a couple girls?

Not that big, though, at the start, it would be a bit terrifying for people who didn't expect "paranormal" stuff in this VN (hi, it was me). But eventually, you'll get used to it. Also, the developer will stop trying to make it horrific. But it can be uncomfortable sometimes, yes.
There are no real routes in the game. It's a straightforward game. The only choices are whether to see or miss certain events.

 

[shmurfer]

Since Times New Roman actually happened in alternate world. What do u guys think of Paper Town? Did Sensei really go through and murder the rest of them to reset the world or something? The event clearly happened in some level of realism cause you keep the shampoo if u pick it up and can lose it on next reset. ( Though I guess Maya was murdered in Paper Town but was alive in the rooftop )

At risk of putting braincells into a sensei reset trip. Kaori and Nao-chan still existed as not paper people.

Before I commit to playing what looks like another huge-ass game, can someone confirm me a few things? Mainly just how is the "horror" tag in this game, that is, how far does it go? Also, do we have the option of a harem route or we have to choose between a couple girls?

Out of a few missable events you have to see every event the game throws at you. You can't pick a single girl. There's a few facades at the start of the game and most of the horror comes from that. The game is designed to filter people the dev doesn't want to play, even if they're probably going a bit too far. Give it a go, if you like it you'll be ruined for other VN devs not being nearly as good at writing.


Get the guide mod, pretty much non negotiable. AutoVN if you will quit over the grinding.

 

[TheGoodPastor]

Before I commit to playing what looks like another huge-ass game, can someone confirm me a few things? Mainly just how is the "horror" tag in this game, that is, how far does it go? Also, do we have the option of a harem route or we have to choose between a couple girls?

There's some scenes some people would definitely find disturbing in it but it's psychological horror more than anything, it's not gory or filled with monsters and jumpscares or anything lol a couple of the most disturbing ones occur very early in so if it's something that would ward you off you'll be able to figure it out before you've wasted too much time.

 

[Moonflare]

This is a story about a dude that kills himself and yet "reincarnates" in the body of a highschool teacher. This strange reality he finds himself is in a time-loop of every few months, and every girl is interested in him more or less. All the benefits and no repercussions basically.

The only minor setback to it all are some bizarre dreams/hallucinations that happen to him from time to time. Mostly involving some deranged imagery that blends taboo sexuality and religion.

Thus, the horror comes from two sources: the lost memories of himself/the new body he's in (personal mindfuck), and the random crap that tries to traumatize everyone (general mindfuck).

Other than that, the game is linear, you have to engage with everyone. It will present you with choices sometimes, but by choosing not to follow the "complete" road, you'll only miss content, not really be presented with a diverging path that is as complete. This is also a story about the mc, which is most certainly not the player, but his own person (as it becomes increasingly clear).

 

[flacc2pit]

This is a story about a dude that kills himself and yet "reincarnates" in the body of a highschool teacher. This strange reality he finds himself is in a time-loop of every few months, and every girl is interested in him more or less. All the benefits and no repercussions basically.

Been about 2 years now (wow) since I played chapter 1, is him killing himself really said at the very beginning of the game or is that one of the many headcanons/theories regarding the timeline of this story post-Kyoto/Chapter 3 and 4 revelations?

 

[Moonflare]

Been about 2 years now (wow) since I played chapter 1, is him killing himself really said at the very beginning of the game or is that one of the many headcanons/theories regarding the timeline of this story post-Kyoto/Chapter 3 and 4 revelations?

Selebus has said so when comparing LiL to some other game. But in-game no, no real confirmation as of yet.

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Edit: Also, unrelated but somewhat interesting:

Spoiler: Nodoka, Selebus and a lizard

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[Squalicorax]

Been about 2 years now (wow) since I played chapter 1, is him killing himself really said at the very beginning of the game or is that one of the many headcanons/theories regarding the timeline of this story post-Kyoto/Chapter 3 and 4 revelations?

It's heavily implied by the introduction to the game, and becomes all but outright confirmed in later events.
Here's a screenshot I have handy from a major early event just because I was talking about it a couple days ago:

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I think there's stuff more explicit than that as well but I'm drawing a blank.