JelF547
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Who says she isn't? She need to find a way to the roof as well
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Puzzle guide on first page should help.
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Since this thread had it's talks about ch4 being subpar to previous chapters, i'd like to throw in my own two cents.
Hopefully short two (/e i knew i'd fail).
Before a certain event, i already felt that the story was stalling. Yet, Sel picked on up that feeling and revealed Miku's past/her issues, and i felt: "ok, progress now."
Don't rember the order of events, so i might be of..., but
When Sel shoved Ami into focus, how she could manipulate Akira through trigger words (first time itsingsinitssleep.mp3), it seemed apparent that Ami was some kind of/the main antagonist.
Could still be true, yet Sel threw things around and dragged Ami out of the immediate focus by changing her attitude.
Now we're kinda back to probably antagonist Ami.
So, "certain event" and why I feel that the story/ch4 became bland.
"The Time Travel Episode."
You touch time travel, you'll probably fail, so don't touch time travel.
Sel did, and things became a mess.
One could argue that this is not time travel but different realities, i could settle with that.
Problem is, Pareidolia mentioned he hid something for Akira, not where but when.
Might be splitting hairs, but the premise is already tainted.
Why i put "The Time Travel Episode." into quotation marks.
Because as late as that event/chain, Lil started to feel like your random (LA) series.
It's pretty much that.
A: How do we keep our series going?
B: Get a episode script from the general database.
A: Might screw the continuety up.
B: Just retcon some past parts into ambiguity.
No real red thread, just glimpses.
I really do wonder if Sel is pulling from some live action episode script database, or if this was within his scholar education.
Whats next? Body swap? Please involve this.
Oh, and he totally picked up on the hentai trope stuff. Meat toilet something something event .52/53? Though, i take that as a funny nod. I guess Molly's Nodokathon 1 really was the tentacle episode.
Someone wrote, iirc, that with .52? we'll get to know if Akira really did fuck Molly during Lavenders Green part?, like in Sekai's version, or if it was just "hardcore petting" like we got to see at first.
Yeah, no.
Sel already created ambiguity for that within Nodokathon 2 on the green route.
Don't think Akira spared Molly of impalement in that just because Sana was on top.
So, leaving a post on a Sel positive note? (Not that i'm hellbound on bashing him where it's not due.)
Can't tell you the exact event. Memories are a bit blurried.
"A life of pizes"
Don't know if this was the sole or first event where Mangled Ami and ChaCha Maya (Maya2?) show up together, it's at least one of those events.
What i remember is Mangled Ami abusing and insulting ChaCha Maya on a leash in one of those events.
The point is, i do think that Sel was forshadowing their dynamic so long ago, and it might be worth going back to those events if there is more.
I don't think it's a coincidence that ChaCha Maya showed up in .51 now that Maya's and Ami's dynamic is put on focus.
If someone i know has problems with this wall of text, i'd put it into spoilers.
Hopefully short two (/e i knew i'd fail).
Before a certain event, i already felt that the story was stalling. Yet, Sel picked on up that feeling and revealed Miku's past/her issues, and i felt: "ok, progress now."
Don't rember the order of events, so i might be of..., but
When Sel shoved Ami into focus, how she could manipulate Akira through trigger words (first time itsingsinitssleep.mp3), it seemed apparent that Ami was some kind of/the main antagonist.
Could still be true, yet Sel threw things around and dragged Ami out of the immediate focus by changing her attitude.
Now we're kinda back to probably antagonist Ami.
So, "certain event" and why I feel that the story/ch4 became bland.
"The Time Travel Episode."
You touch time travel, you'll probably fail, so don't touch time travel.
Sel did, and things became a mess.
One could argue that this is not time travel but different realities, i could settle with that.
Problem is, Pareidolia mentioned he hid something for Akira, not where but when.
Might be splitting hairs, but the premise is already tainted.
Why i put "The Time Travel Episode." into quotation marks.
Because as late as that event/chain, Lil started to feel like your random (LA) series.
It's pretty much that.
A: How do we keep our series going?
B: Get a episode script from the general database.
A: Might screw the continuety up.
B: Just retcon some past parts into ambiguity.
No real red thread, just glimpses.
I really do wonder if Sel is pulling from some live action episode script database, or if this was within his scholar education.
Whats next? Body swap? Please involve this.
Oh, and he totally picked up on the hentai trope stuff. Meat toilet something something event .52/53? Though, i take that as a funny nod. I guess Molly's Nodokathon 1 really was the tentacle episode.
Someone wrote, iirc, that with .52? we'll get to know if Akira really did fuck Molly during Lavenders Green part?, like in Sekai's version, or if it was just "hardcore petting" like we got to see at first.
Yeah, no.
Sel already created ambiguity for that within Nodokathon 2 on the green route.
Don't think Akira spared Molly of impalement in that just because Sana was on top.
So, leaving a post on a Sel positive note? (Not that i'm hellbound on bashing him where it's not due.)
Can't tell you the exact event. Memories are a bit blurried.
"A life of pizes"
Don't know if this was the sole or first event where Mangled Ami and ChaCha Maya (Maya2?) show up together, it's at least one of those events.
What i remember is Mangled Ami abusing and insulting ChaCha Maya on a leash in one of those events.
The point is, i do think that Sel was forshadowing their dynamic so long ago, and it might be worth going back to those events if there is more.
I don't think it's a coincidence that ChaCha Maya showed up in .51 now that Maya's and Ami's dynamic is put on focus.
If someone i know has problems with this wall of text, i'd put it into spoilers.
2 fcking AM in the morning finishing "Artificial Love" and its the best event I've ever read in this game.
This event surprisingly showed me a different side of Niki, as well as the thoughts and feelings she has been enduring and keeping to herself all this time. Niki literally said everything I hate about Akira lol.
Seriously, this event broke my heart. I hope things get better for her in the future. I used to care about whether or not shes currently the best girl and the most likely to be the one Akira love the most, but now, Idc, pls Sel, give this girl happiness she deserves. Shes literally an angel, u cant prove me otherwise. I cant stand seeing her cry anymore.
I’ve realized that I see things differently from most people on this forum when it comes to many topics. "Niki/The event was underwhelming", "Niki not being angry is weird", etc. Maybe it’s because I’m Asian? Asians often view things differently compared to people in the West — cultural differences already play a big part in that. Through conversations, I understood her sadness, helplessness in this matter. When Norkiko walked out as if nothing had happened, I found it kinda disturbing and realized how hard it was being normal in this world. Espicially when everyone is accepting the fact that Akira having sex with his students is a normal thing now.
This event surprisingly showed me a different side of Niki, as well as the thoughts and feelings she has been enduring and keeping to herself all this time. Niki literally said everything I hate about Akira lol.
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Seriously, this event broke my heart. I hope things get better for her in the future. I used to care about whether or not shes currently the best girl and the most likely to be the one Akira love the most, but now, Idc, pls Sel, give this girl happiness she deserves. Shes literally an angel, u cant prove me otherwise. I cant stand seeing her cry anymore.
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I’ve realized that I see things differently from most people on this forum when it comes to many topics. "Niki/The event was underwhelming", "Niki not being angry is weird", etc. Maybe it’s because I’m Asian? Asians often view things differently compared to people in the West — cultural differences already play a big part in that. Through conversations, I understood her sadness, helplessness in this matter. When Norkiko walked out as if nothing had happened, I found it kinda disturbing and realized how hard it was being normal in this world. Espicially when everyone is accepting the fact that Akira having sex with his students is a normal thing now.
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Niki is, by far, the most «adult» and responsible character in that game. The second is Rika, bytheway. And yes, that scene was great.
But, with Sel, I'm afraid that she will not stay «responsible». That would block the scenario and the sister threesome... so whether her memory will be reset, and thus won't remember what she saw (unlikely...), or she gonna accept what Sensei do and did.
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Life of Prizes was the actual reset event I think so it'd be in 'Utinam Ne Illum Numquam Conspexissem' right after it, the last event of chapter 2. So yeah that does seem like he's had this in mind for a while lol
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I dunno, I feel pretty much the same as you I think, it was a hard read for me.
Personally I just think the difference is people here are very horny with the game and I'm not at all. Quite a few people just seemed happy Noriko got a sex scene and that she'll have more to come but I couldn't care less about that, and I love Niki so the whole event was just kind of miserable for me lol I hope we do find out there's some magic going on at the beach because as is with Noriko's reaction (or lack of) to the whole thing I just kind of can't stand her now.
And the really miserable thing is it's probably the best we'll see in terms of a reaction to Akira's actions, Sel's probably not gonna want Niki to move on or get revenge or anything so inevitably we'll probably just see her come to accept things somehow sooner or later and come back into the fold hornier than ever.
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I did what was said but the issue is that I die instantly after like one attack because apparently I have no health.
I do the first attack and it does no damage so the boss kills.me instantly and it's game over.
I felt it was a very defining moment for the reader's opinion of Nikki. Up until then, she was a bit of a parody. The girl who never stopped pining for you, who will always be by your side. Even if the fact that it was a parody has been thrown in your face before.
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I think a simple and too average summary of said cultural differences would be that western players in general, despite any affection or care they may have for the characters, approach games in a callous way, and our devs also tend to reflect that on the writing and atmosphere, which is why most games of this kind need to have some immediate gratification to it, or at least end with it. Meanwhile, asian players, in a way, could be considered to be concerned with the stories and worlds present in the media, and their devs also cater to that. It's why JRPGs are a whole different category than regular RPGs (and why Clair Obscur is a western JRPG, but that's another story), the mentalities are too foreign. Of course, this is just to be taken as an oversimplication of the entire thing.
Maybe I'm giving Sel too much credit, but, again, I feel Chapter 4 is actually a parody of LiL itself (at least since the beach event) by design, and that, one way or another, the next beach event is going to solve all this.
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That's the eternal issue that I have with stories where a character acts in a horrible manner, and the author doesn't follow up with actual realistic consequences.
If you won't follow up, then you should step back from horrible acts. But what especially irks me when Selebus does this is that LiL has an excuse for the characters to literally turn murder hobo because they can be fixed by the following reset, and yet Selebus only does this ONCE with Makoto and never again.
In my opinion, that should have been happening every chapter with multiple and an increasingly number of people. My take is that he doesn't do it because Akira is a bad protagonist. He probably wouldn't be able to take it.
Were I to write a similar story, I'd have an ACTIVE protagonist that goes hard on the "the world will fix them for me" and starts to lose himself more and more in what he can do to people, until eventually someone DOESN'T get reset. That's it, they're dead for real. And then you start to create the second act of the story - but the protagonist should mostly be active imo.
givemeabeer
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Or, at least, some consequences from the protagonist actions... the only consequences Sensei get so far, was the death of Maya (and recovering his memory, but since some of them get back without us knowing they are (the abuse from his brother), we can't be sure of how they affect him), so, not much consequences...
And I do not agree about the active parts, even if I understand why its necessary in this story. The protagonist can be a «red string», a vessel who don't act but allow the reader to see a world, a point of view. A good novel, know by the name «La Vingt-cinquième Heure» by Virgil Gheorghiu, was like this, but I don't think it was translate into other language.
Anyway, in our case, Sensei got a definition, a story, and he can be active, but he's not. And that's frustrating.
That's why I keep calling him «Sensei» and not «Akira». I refuse to see him as a character, just as a «red string». It's less frustrating that way.
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People were saying it's another chance to find out, because there hasn't been onscreen molly dicking outside of 1 very weird dreamlike sequence. He's shown a lot of explicit Sana dicking even if you can't dick her in her invites. It could be Sel being a dickhead to theorists, or they might be right.
Yeah it's after the life of prizes reset puzzle, but before the actual reset. I'll point out it also implies Ami created Maya for the purpose of helping Ami make him love her more, and now she has to wait even longer.
I wouldn't put too much stock in Maya2's appearance meaning much in 0.51, before that her last appearance was behind a door to steal your shampoo if you had it, and then doing it again could give you a profile outfit once you didn't have a shampoo.
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That'd just be an edgy Groundhog Day. As in, I'm sure someone with more talent than any of us here can make it work (or at least make it marketable), but otherwise it'd just feel like an edgefest. EDIT: And yes, this post is because I loved that movie and I don't see ANYONE making it better.
See, here's the thing. Despite my earlier mentions of Niki as a parody, that's her character, and she's been surprisingly consistent in her parody. Because she's a bit crazy too, as long as it wasn't some in-your-face thing like what ended up happening, she probably would've forgiven or excused. Anything short of her being in closet like that one Noriko scene with Ami wouldn't make her leave him. And that's what her scene shows, the conflict between her conscience and her wants. She's obsessed with Sensei, and until that event, nothing would've changed that. Also, the image you posted also shows Sensei's usual behaviour trying to destroy anything good in his life.
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Possibly, but the last couple of lines is supposed to me talking to Niki. "Because it'd be hard for me to see you as anything but an idiot, and I don't want you to ruin my image of you."
He IS being destructive. He knows she's at a low point in all senses, and decides to trample on her even more.
I'm willing to bet that conversation, in another world, is the start of the Niki route, and I'll wait 4 years to see if I'm right.
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I don't think the majority of the underwhelming feeling from others necessarily come from "Niki responding to Akira's despicable stunt incorrectly"; me at least. The denial, despair, and regret; all of them make sense and are spot on. It's a heart wrenching event well done. Regardless, the feeling of underwhelming persists despite all that, and this is because, with how the shit storm is through and concluded, most of us has one simple question: "Now what?"
With previous examples like Maki the Oblivious and Sara the Accepting, we have not been shown a sign that an adult knowing the truth will drastically change how the story progresses; it feels like the direction isn't nudged even just a tiny bit. I'd be perhaps both pleasantly and unpleasantly surprised if the next Niki event is her last and she will afterwards exit the game forever, but what are the odds of that happening? What are the odds of this summing up to another NothingBurger instead? With Akira the Shitbag continuing to be incapable or unwilling to try and be less shit, the same woman-scarring ordeal is almost expected to keep happening, but again with how Ch4 unfolds, we really are not convinced that this is going to mean something substantial. And if it is not going to mean something and Akira will most likely keep literally fucking around, what the fuck do I do with the pain I felt for Niki?
Edit: Niki won't leave as I feel like I am witnessing someone not being able to leave their DV abuser. Understandable and sorrowful to know, but goddamn irritating to watch it develop as a spectator.
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The part about the "proof" is actually pretty interesting. When I read Sana's event, I just thought the whole thing with Niki leaving to take a shower and then Sara having sex with Akira feels like a pretty standard trope in H-games — one character steps out for something, two others do “it,” and when the first comes back, they’re completely clueless. I remember Akira having similar situations with someone else where the others didn’t notice, so I didnt think much until u talked about this.
It makes me think that either the gods affect which events will happen, how ppl act in this world… or maybe Niki’s actually an idiot. Either way, I really liked that part of your take, and if this actually plays out in 0.50.0, it’s going to be pretty interesting to see.
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We keep on suffering. Because I've been hating on how insufferable Akira is and wating for consequences but as we can see, nothing happens. With how everyone seems to accept that teenagers having sex with Akira has become normal now, it might be best if Niki just disappeared so that she wouldn’t have to suffer anymore because of him.
Next update, sensei in horny jail , jail bottom bitch edition fixes ALL of these complaints