Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.53.0] [Selebus]

[kitsunedawn]

He has on a number of occasions stated hard of hearing and deaf individuals don't deserve to play this game.

Last time I was on the discord, he specifically said people are *not* allowed to help deaf individuals progress and chastised another member for offering.

There is an interesting caveat to all of this, however. If what you say is correct, then such behavior can actually be reported to Patreon as mis-behavior. Since 2018, Patreon has gone to great lengths to force developers to include accessible options for disabled patreons in their options; placing a site wide ultimatum that all offerings on the site, must be disabled friendly at the very least. This comes out of a lawsuit which Patreon settled, where it had been found that the site wasn't enforcing their own accessibility rules. Patreon lost the case, agreeing to settle out of court, with part of the agreed upon change being strict adherence to their own accessibility rules for both developers and content presented on the site. Part of those rules hold developers accountable for off-site behaviors, such as the developer here (if true) stating disabled people don't deserve to play the game.

Patreon's usual response, if evidence (screen shots of statements, and so on) is provided; is to freeze the patreon payments of all developers of a project, until such time that they submit a disability friendly update, or version of the game. They also begin to regularly spot check the behavior of such developers, with a note being that further action can result in the person's entire patreon being closed and funds returned to the people that paid them.

So, if what you're saying is true, and can be proven; then the developer is playing with fire and risking someone getting pissed enough to report them for their ableist behavior.

 

[Riolol]

There is an interesting caveat to all of this, however. If what you say is correct, then such behavior can actually be reported to Patreon as mis-behavior. Since 2018, Patreon has gone to great lengths to force developers to include accessible options for disabled patreons in their options; placing a site wide ultimatum that all offerings on the site, must be disabled friendly at the very least. This comes out of a lawsuit which Patreon settled, where it had been found that the site wasn't enforcing their own accessibility rules. Patreon lost the case, agreeing to settle out of court, with part of the agreed upon change being strict adherence to their own accessibility rules for both developers and content presented on the site. Part of those rules hold developers accountable for off-site behaviors, such as the developer here (if true) stating disabled people don't deserve to play the game.

Patreon's usual response, if evidence (screen shots of statements, and so on) is provided; is to freeze the patreon payments of all developers of a project, until such time that they submit a disability friendly update, or version of the game. They also begin to regularly spot check the behavior of such developers, with a note being that further action can result in the person's entire patreon being closed and funds returned to the people that paid them.

So, if what you're saying is true, and can be proven; then the developer is playing with fire and risking someone getting pissed enough to report them for their ableist behavior.

He's already banned from Patreon bc lolis

 

[jasonmoritz]

There is an interesting caveat to all of this, however. If what you say is correct, then such behavior can actually be reported to Patreon as mis-behavior. Since 2018, Patreon has gone to great lengths to force developers to include accessible options for disabled patreons in their options; placing a site wide ultimatum that all offerings on the site, must be disabled friendly at the very least. This comes out of a lawsuit which Patreon settled, where it had been found that the site wasn't enforcing their own accessibility rules. Patreon lost the case, agreeing to settle out of court, with part of the agreed upon change being strict adherence to their own accessibility rules for both developers and content presented on the site. Part of those rules hold developers accountable for off-site behaviors, such as the developer here (if true) stating disabled people don't deserve to play the game.

Patreon's usual response, if evidence (screen shots of statements, and so on) is provided; is to freeze the patreon payments of all developers of a project, until such time that they submit a disability friendly update, or version of the game. They also begin to regularly spot check the behavior of such developers, with a note being that further action can result in the person's entire patreon being closed and funds returned to the people that paid them.

So, if what you're saying is true, and can be proven; then the developer is playing with fire and risking someone getting pissed enough to report them for their ableist behavior.

Selebus has been out of Patreon for a while now, though.

 

[sam1234567]

anyone know how to finish the last happy scene im kinda stuck on it

 

[k1n5l4y3r]

anyone know how to finish the last happy scene im kinda stuck on it

you trigger it by inputing the lottery code you get at the happy scene "good boy" on the lottery on "A life of Prizes"

 

[MSPA Judge]

He has on a number of occasions stated hard of hearing and deaf individuals don't deserve to play this game.

Last time I was on the discord, he specifically said people are *not* allowed to help deaf individuals progress and chastised another member for offering.

I see, sad to hear.

 

[Essecks]

People on a piracy website acting ethically superior is... certainly something.

 

[Riolol]

People on a piracy website acting ethically superior is... certainly something.

Hey now, you ever heard of peg legs and eye patches? Pirates were all about equal opportunities.

 

[AgumenticR]

I see, sad to hear.

Not sure if that was a dark joke or just an unfortunate coincidental wording.

 

[Perniciousducks]

I see, sad to hear.

just open up the code and search for dialogue for the scene you’re in. It’s all plain text and easy to follow. You can see what to do. I don’t need it for the sound bits, I use it to translate the hex text, but it could work just the same. Notepad++ is free and will search the game directory pretty quickly for anything you’re trying to find.

 

[akselx]

He has on a number of occasions stated hard of hearing and deaf individuals don't deserve to play this game.

Last time I was on the discord, he specifically said people are *not* allowed to help deaf individuals progress and chastised another member for offering.

Eh, doesn't sound truthful to me. Exteregation, maybe. Especially part were "deaf individuals don't deserve to play this game." That's a cartoon villain level of petty. Guy's a pretty big lefty, the type to, at least, publicly support any manner of marginalized folks.

 

[barglenarglezous]

Eh, doesn't sound truthful to me. Exteregation, maybe. Especially part were "deaf individuals don't deserve to play this game." That's a cartoon villain level of petty. Guy's a pretty big lefty, the type to, at least, publicly support any manner of marginalized folks.

Yeah, while it was ableist, it wasn't as bad as some have put it.

There was a progression.
1) "Too fucking bad"/"Not my problem"
2) "That sucks, but I'm not going to redesign around it"
3) "If they say they're deaf, they can ask for what the audio cue says, but no additional help"

 

[akselx]

Yeah, while it was ableist, it wasn't as bad as some have put it.

There was a progression.
1) "Too fucking bad"/"Not my problem"
2) "That sucks, but I'm not going to redesign around it"
3) "If they say they're deaf, they can ask for what the audio cue says, but no additional help"

That's more believable. I think I even saw him saying something along the 2nd point here somewhere.

 

[worthlesspeon]

Eh, doesn't sound truthful to me. Exteregation, maybe. Especially part were "deaf individuals don't deserve to play this game." That's a cartoon villain level of petty. Guy's a pretty big lefty, the type to, at least, publicly support any manner of marginalized folks.

Believe it or not, people can be hypocrites. I left the discord a while ago (must be at least a year at this point?) because of how toxic he and his fanbase can be.

Whatever, it doesn't matter. I'm not giving him money anymore. I'll just look up the answers prn. Thankfully he's god awful at programming so it's not a big deal to get around it.

There is an interesting caveat to all of this, however. If what you say is correct, then such behavior can actually be reported to Patreon as mis-behavior. Since 2018, Patreon has gone to great lengths to force developers to include accessible options for disabled patreons in their options; placing a site wide ultimatum that all offerings on the site, must be disabled friendly at the very least. This comes out of a lawsuit which Patreon settled, where it had been found that the site wasn't enforcing their own accessibility rules. Patreon lost the case, agreeing to settle out of court, with part of the agreed upon change being strict adherence to their own accessibility rules for both developers and content presented on the site. Part of those rules hold developers accountable for off-site behaviors, such as the developer here (if true) stating disabled people don't deserve to play the game.

Patreon's usual response, if evidence (screen shots of statements, and so on) is provided; is to freeze the patreon payments of all developers of a project, until such time that they submit a disability friendly update, or version of the game. They also begin to regularly spot check the behavior of such developers, with a note being that further action can result in the person's entire patreon being closed and funds returned to the people that paid them.

So, if what you're saying is true, and can be proven; then the developer is playing with fire and risking someone getting pissed enough to report them for their ableist behavior.

He was banned from patreon for a while now. I think because it's against their rules to distribute patches or "uncensored" versions of patreon content through other platforms

 

[iebb03]

Really like this new clubs idea as a way to have interactions between characters that normally wouldn't.

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[BlackDays]

I think that Sana being in the light music club (that name correct?), could be in thought about a person who did a video for the last Homie discord event, or was it new years eve? In that video Sana was playing drums iirc.

While it could also be possible, that Sel stated that if Sana was ever playing an instrument she'd play drums, so thats where the inspiration for her part in the video came from.

 

[Castelier]

I accidentally forgot to save the game. Anybody has save till day 100 or 200 that comparable with this version?

 

[bobvilla123]

can easily be edited using saveeditonline.com if you (like I) refuse to do even the tiniest amount of grinding.

Look I love a well paced story, I also dont hate putting a little effort in, but I'm not going to spend 6 hours grinding for a 16 second scene. saveeditonline.com can not be praised enough. I appreciate the effort devs put in to balance and pace, but sometimes they forget that I've got something to do at 8pm and its not giving gifts over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

 

[Ankoku]

Look I love a well paced story, I also dont hate putting a little effort in, but I'm not going to spend 6 hours grinding for a 16 second scene. saveeditonline.com can not be praised enough. I appreciate the effort devs put in to balance and pace, but sometimes they forget that I've got something to do at 8pm and its not giving gifts over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

You also gotta keep in mind most of the games posted on this site are by novice devs with little experience who are still experimenting and learning.

This isn't Selebus' first game, but he was still a relatively inexperienced dev when he started making this.

Reducing grind through cheats/save editing can make unbearable games really good or make some good games really boring. It depends heavily on the game's design and personal preference of the person playing.

That being said, I also wanna point out that the post your quoting is from almost 2 years and around 30 large updates to the game ago. It's not too relevant to the way the game currently is. I also wanna point out that, despite that post saying I didn't think it was worth cheating at the time, I'm now the one maintaining the cheat code post linked from the first post.

 

[barglenarglezous]

I accidentally forgot to save the game. Anybody has save till day 100 or 200 that comparable with this version?

Did you check to see if you can load your autosave? The autosaves are locted under the A on the save/load screen. The topmost leftmost file is always the most recent one.

Because of the way stat progress is done, day 100 could mean literally anything, so the file you download may be further along or not as far along as you're hoping (and if it's past where you were, you may miss content)