PrimeGuy

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I agree. Before Sensei became Sensei, Makoto simply looked up to her teacher. But once Sensei stopped teaching and started reciprocating her affections, something kinda broke in her.

And with Yumi.. I mean, we were starting to get to a place where she tolerated Sensei's presence, rather than telling him f- off. Now because of Nodoko, we're back at square 1.
Or Nodoka forced her to face the truth about her feelings for Sensei and it will inevitably be part of the reason she eventually does wind up in his arms.
 

k1n5l4y3r

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I love the Nodoka events this update, she definitely found something in the "outside", and the Yumi punishment showed a part of her personality that is completely new.
 
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theMuffinMan

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Everything with Makoto is just brutal. With events like Nodoka's, the story kind of couches it with how horrible the girl is being, but it seems like every Makoto event is about driving home just how absent and callous Sensei has been.
Yeah, I had some Bluejay PTSD during Makoto's event chain
 
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NULLWIZARD

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Are you sure cause? I know some scenes trigger when sufficient stats are reached and some trigger flags like the bad homie one for Chika and Rin. I'm happy to be wrong but i've seen others give this warning a few times over the last year.
I wrote this cheat mod https://f95zone.to/threads/lessons-in-love-v0-25-0-part-2-selebus.48158/post-8455558 and played through the game with all girls' affection set to 50 from near the start and didn't miss anything (had to purposefully avoid the Chika event so I wouldn't get bad homie but that problem can arise even if you aren't cheating)
 

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I wrote this cheat mod https://f95zone.to/threads/lessons-in-love-v0-25-0-part-2-selebus.48158/post-8455558 and played through the game with all girls' affection set to 50 from near the start and didn't miss anything (had to purposefully avoid the Chika event so I wouldn't get bad homie but that problem can arise even if you aren't cheating)
Hrmm.. sounds good. According to the wiki, it looks like most events require the previous event completed, so missing out seems to be less of a thing. I'm glad Selebus did the Chap 1 revamp. Allowed me to play again without being a Bad Homie.

I still want Rin.. and Otoha.. separately and in a threesome. ;-)

Note for future players: Don't let Yumi know about Sensei and Chika's relationship.
 
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barglenarglezous

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Hrmm.. sounds good. According to the wiki, it looks like most events require the previous event completed, so missing out seems to be less of a thing. I'm glad Selebus did the Chap 1 revamp. Allowed me to play again without being a Bad Homie.
The revamp also added a bunch of previous-event requirements to help keep things in the right order. So it's even safer to do this now than it was a few months ago.
 
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barglenarglezous

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can some1 tell me how to get makoto event? i cant trigger it... whispers of the world
Events in this update have a set order.

Focus on Yasu. Once youv'e reached a certain point on her events, nearly all of the remaining events will self-trigger starting on Thursday.
 

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So I'm playing through the reworked content for the first time and I just got passed the "Swim Trip" Happy scene, and I'm curious whether that event actually happened or if it was like a hallucination or dream or something? The way Maya was talking to Sensei made it seem like she was actually there and they were both witnessing the world (and Ami and Ayane) breaking in some way. Usually with the happy scenes it seems pretty clear that Sensei is in a sort of dream state that is unobservable by anyone else, but this one almost seemed like it was really happening
 

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So I'm playing through the reworked content for the first time and I just got passed the "Swim Trip" Happy scene, and I'm curious whether that event actually happened or if it was like a hallucination or dream or something? The way Maya was talking to Sensei made it seem like she was actually there and they were both witnessing the world (and Ami and Ayane) breaking in some way. Usually with the happy scenes it seems pretty clear that Sensei is in a sort of dream state that is unobservable by anyone else, but this one almost seemed like it was really happening
The creator isn't overly clear in regards to what's going on with those 'happy' scenes, but the way they play out, I suspect they're some of the magic of the world (and what created it) leaking out. Especially that 'beach' scene. Given how Maya seems to have some control over the world herself, I think she can see what happens in that world when things break.
 
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As a serious fan of the game who has given a bunch of money to it (even bought merch), it pains me to say this, but....

I recommend that players do *not* start over with a new save. In fact, I recommend that if you talk up the game to new players, you have them play chapter 1 on a 23p2-or-earlier build and then toggle over to the current releases. The rework is just..... bad. The bones of the story is still fine, the prose is the usual high Selebus quality, but jesus christ it shits all over the basic rules of storytelling. There is no easing people in, no generating interest, no teasing, no build up. Just punishing players that Selebus thinks of as Unworthy (mainly, someone who might consider jerking off). The dude has been listening to too many of his sycophants on his discord, and it shows.

I don't think his attitude is going to hurt the quality of the new Ch3 content since that is already off the rails into dark-land, but it makes it so I can't imagine him getting many new $5 pledges. The first 30 minutes of gameplay were sexy and fun, and now they come across as pretentious "look at me I am so dark" bullshit. (You simply can't start a story talking like an edgelord, you have to earn the reader's respect first.) I think the bulk of first-time players will say "lol, some angsty teenager who believed his creative writing teacher when she called him talented" and close the game and never come back. It's a slog, it's badly paced, it's not entertaining enough to justify the beating, and it's just a huge turn-off.

I'm going back to my old pre-rework saves and just pick up where we left off. I'm sorry Selebus wasted so much time making his early-game into a lesser product.

Predictions:

- When Sel reads this, he will skim it and dismiss it as being written by someone unworthy of playing his game.
- His patron counts are going to start dwindling once the last Patreon people find their way over to SS, because the new interest will be so low as to be unable to even replace normal attrition
- He will blame Patreon for the above
- He will still make enough to live on-- lack of new blood will be partially offset by existing fans bumping their tiers-- so the game will continue but the player community will get more insular.

This all makes me sad.
 

barglenarglezous

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Some theories of mine regarding recent events:
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That scene doesn't actually disqualify Noriko as a possibility, though. The playdate Ami talks about is far enough back in her life to be a fuzzy memory -- so we're probably talking pre-school or very early schooling. The Young Noriko scene looks like late middle school or so at best, and might only be a year or two prior to the time loop starting. If Noriko's dying her hair, she could easily have started doing it in the time between the play date and that scene.
 

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As a serious fan of the game who has given a bunch of money to it (even bought merch), it pains me to say this, but....

I recommend that players do *not* start over with a new save. In fact, I recommend that if you talk up the game to new players, you have them play chapter 1 on a 23p2-or-earlier build and then toggle over to the current releases. The rework is just..... bad. The bones of the story is still fine, the prose is the usual high Selebus quality, but jesus christ it shits all over the basic rules of storytelling. There is no easing people in, no generating interest, no teasing, no build up. Just punishing players that Selebus thinks of as Unworthy (mainly, someone who might consider jerking off). The dude has been listening to too many of his sycophants on his discord, and it shows.

I don't think his attitude is going to hurt the quality of the new Ch3 content since that is already off the rails into dark-land, but it makes it so I can't imagine him getting many new $5 pledges. The first 30 minutes of gameplay were sexy and fun, and now they come across as pretentious "look at me I am so dark" bullshit. (You simply can't start a story talking like an edgelord, you have to earn the reader's respect first.) I think the bulk of first-time players will say "lol, some angsty teenager who believed his creative writing teacher when she called him talented" and close the game and never come back. It's a slog, it's badly paced, it's not entertaining enough to justify the beating, and it's just a huge turn-off.

I'm going back to my old pre-rework saves and just pick up where we left off. I'm sorry Selebus wasted so much time making his early-game into a lesser product.

Predictions:

- When Sel reads this, he will skim it and dismiss it as being written by someone unworthy of playing his game.
- His patron counts are going to start dwindling once the last Patreon people find their way over to SS, because the new interest will be so low as to be unable to even replace normal attrition
- He will blame Patreon for the above
- He will still make enough to live on-- lack of new blood will be partially offset by existing fans bumping their tiers-- so the game will continue but the player community will get more insular.

This all makes me sad.
Reading this makes a lot of my thoughts on this game a lot more sense. I'm pretty sure I didn't get too far into it in the grand scheme of things, I got to the end of the big beach trip in chapter 1, but getting there was a drag. I don't see the point in making you grind out affection or lust points in a game like this. The only reason i made it as far as i did was the guide mod tbh. Thank fuck someone put in the work to code that, it's such an improvement. Speaking of "game like this", I'm not entirely sure what the target demographic here is. Is the goal to bait and switch people that are looking for a porn game into protagonist angst "I'm such a bad person I gotta monologue about it to myself every other event" simulator?

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the individual parts that make up this game. I vastly prefer angst-sensei over the typical self-insert protag who is 100% oblivious that every single action the player can make him take is creepy as hell. I like a lot of the characters, and at this point the game even made me care about some of them. There's some neat character dynamics and the writing doesn't shy away from talking about some of the not-great things in human nature. The CG is way above average for an anime-aesthetic kinda game, just generally polished. I don't even mind the tryhard grossout-adjacent Doki Doki knockoff parts that much, and there's some genuinely unnerving stuff in the more angst-y parts of the game that made me uncomfortable pursuing some of the girls for a bit. But when you just blend all of that up together you get a mish-mash of an experience that doesn't know what exactly it wants to be.

Hearing that the first chapter got remade *into* this is, very weird to hear. I am curious how it was before the remake but I don't have the patience to essentially re-read what i assume are the same general story beats of a story I already spent hours reading. I really just wish the game would take one or two of the directions it's trying to pull into and run with those instead of trying to be 7 different things.

For the time being I guess I'll just take it out of my porn folder and put it somewhere else. It's pretty clear to me that this game doesn't want me to engage with it in that way, even if the genuinely good porn CGs may try to convince me otherwise. Kind of a shame on that front, but I'll just pick it back up when I'm in the mood for something "dark", for the sake of not using the word angst for the 10th time in a row.
 
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