Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.53.0] [Selebus]

[jamyong]

I suspect that when I sit down to fully annotate the game, it's gonna be a lot more than 5 pages.

oh forsure. I have to stop myself from copying down too many quotes. I started it really to just write down the truly excellent examples of prose and I'm always left to consider whether or not each line I read is really worthy of being with the rest. I tend to skip a lot of good stuff and always end up regretting it an hour later when I notice that the line is still spinning around in my head.
but that just means I have to replay the game again sometime and get the ones I originally passed up, which is a welcomed task

 

[Sirfappington123]

I need some serious reminders or "fact" check on which god is which and what they do now ever since Sekai joins the divine being party

My understanding is:

1. Nozomu = horny ball of light = god with many eyes = first god = indifferent = (?) husband of Sekai

2. God of wire = second god = god with no eyes = callous = any description about tree, wire, or computer = the entity responsible for visual alterations on characters = HOPE = current employer of Moyo and long Maya = PRAISE BE = Head of Angels (Sekai included?) = I assume to be the cause of all the creepy shit and the time-looping, resetting Kumomi

3. Cannot remember which event introduced the third, concerned god (only remember in Trinity Pt III where USER3 seized control saying I am very concerned)

Welcome for corrections, my mind is too boggled

The third god is Pareidolia right? The god that didn't come across as evil or insane

 

[barglenarglezous]

The third god is Pareidolia right? The god that didn't come across as evil or insane

Yes, and I will still struggle to remember that name when Selebus finally finishes this game in 6-7 years.

 

[Cool'Thulhu]

1)He is 15, hurts his leg, gets close to Sekai.

Pretty sure he was WAY younger than that when they started, like "kid Maya" kind of young, cuz
1 given the tone of childish memories he has of her
2 the clearly VERY childish happy events (where Sensei is clueless about what sex is)
3 the parallel with Sensei x Maya, which start when she was much younger than she is now
(plus, Sensei's guilt for doing the same thing that was done to him at that age was probably one of the main reasons to all the shit that's happening)
4 age of consent is 13 in Japan (crazy, right? ) and she's labeled as a pedophile so i guess Sensei was younger

BTW why sensei doesn't have the same alliteration as his brother like all the families, Karin/Kirin, Sara/Sara, even Ami/Akira...
or better, why his brother don't have any alliteration at all (Nozomu Arawaka)? Maybe it doesn't mean anything but it's discordant

 

[actualrealname]

or better, why his brother don't have any alliteration at all (Nozomu Arawaka)? Maybe it doesn't mean anything but it's discordant

Assuming it's not just a writing thing to make the names of the characters we see more memorable (it probably is tbh, it's a pretty common thing), Nozomu doesn't really have a "normal" role. Considering the alliterative names being on every single character we interact with, I think it's pretty reasonable to assume those aren't their actual names (assuming they all exist outside the weird loop reality).

If they're assigned names it wouldn't be that off for his to be different than the rest, given the context.

 

[barglenarglezous]

BTW why sensei doesn't have the same alliteration as his brother like all the families, Karin/Kirin, Sara/Sara, even Ami/Akira...
or better, why his brother don't have any alliteration at all (Nozomu Arawaka)? Maybe it doesn't mean anything but it's discordant

This was one of my arguments that "Nozomu" and "Sekai" weren't the actual names of Ami's parents. Every other name in the game is alliterative. Hell, even the married women's names are alliterative. Except for those two.

 

[SadCoomer]

BTW why sensei doesn't have the same alliteration as his brother like all the families, Karin/Kirin, Sara/Sara, even Ami/Akira...
or better, why his brother don't have any alliteration at all (Nozomu Arawaka)? Maybe it doesn't mean anything but it's discordant

The rule seems to apply only inside the world of the time loop.

Outside of it, we have Saki mother of Akira and (presumably) Nozomu, and Sekai and Nozomu parents of Ami. No consistence whatsoever

Edit: no need to verify if Nozomu is the actual father of Ami, since we know it should also apply to adoptive parents (Rika/Rin) and bridal surnames (Maki Miyamura, Sara Sakakibara, Tsubasa Tsukioka), so it's not a matter of biological links

 

[moodle]

There's also Kiyoko/Kyoko Nagasawa, whose name is written in hiragana on the wall in Something Everyone Knows and Ignores, and who appears to be one of the girls in the upside-down house based on the twitter account.

 

[k1n5l4y3r]

Nagasawa? our favorite genius in glasses is also Nagasawa, maybe the Kyoko in the video is related to her?

 

[Deleted member 2223621]

I can't recall if this is even possible... but i think I'm going to try to do a no sex run of this game. see how far i can get. skip button will be my friend, should stop skipping on new info... i hate the fake 'puzzles' so much any repeat play through leaves me with dread

 

[barglenarglezous]

I can't recall if this is even possible... but i think I'm going to try to do a no sex run of this game. see how far i can get. skip button will be my friend, should stop skipping on new info... i hate the fake 'puzzles' so much any repeat play through leaves me with dread

A no-sex run isn't possible. There are a few optional characters, but you can't progress without fooling around with the main girls (Ami excepted)

 

[Deleted member 2223621]

A no-sex run isn't possible. There are a few optional characters, but you can't progress without fooling around with the main girls (Ami excepted)

thanks, might as well stop then.

 

[Deleted member 2223621]

since we were left on another to be continued page, does that mean next update is supposed to be kinetic as well?



also been replaying this a bit an i got to ask if anyone else started singing Bonnie Tylers- Total Eclipse of the Heart

Spoiler: Every now and then I get a little bit lonely and youre never comin round

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cause the music video for that is fucking wild.
It almost feels like its a weird inspiration for elements of this game after watching it
takes place in a church has a male dude with glowing eyes, birds, angles, ninjas, fencing, olmypic gymnasts, the leather clad dancers from grease, american football players, food fighting in formal wear, what looks like demon possession, randomly ends in front of what looks like a boys school with the female teacher getting ready to have a melt down over a young teenage boy.
honestly the music video makes me think of an inverted LiL

moving on since this is Yumi adjacent

Spoiler: It's ALL about Yumi

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Edit:
also anyone else notice yumi called Sana a Psycho

Spoiler: Sana is Cr4zy

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and what happened to yumi getting her 10K in a week if 2 months passed without getting it. it was a fast forward right

anyone else feel like super awkward making two posts in the same thread back to back even if it i like an hour or more after that last one... I do

 

[barglenarglezous]

since we were left on another to be continued page, does that mean next update is supposed to be kinetic as well?

Looking at what's in it, it will feel like the first update of Chapter 3 did -- linear for a few events, then opens up into the faux sandbox we're used to.

also been replaying this a bit an i got to ask if anyone else started singing Bonnie Tylers- Total Eclipse of the Heart
cause the music video for that is fucking wild.
It almost feels like its a weird inspiration for elements of this game after watching it
takes place in a church has a male dude with glowing eyes, birds, angles, ninjas, fencing, olmypic gymnasts, the leather clad dancers from grease, american football players, food fighting in formal wear, what looks like demon possession, randomly ends in front of what looks like a boys school with the female teacher getting ready to have a melt down over a young teenage boy.
honestly the music video makes me think of an inverted LiL

Same songwriter did all of Meat Loaf's hits, and a lot of his videos have that energy, too. Just about everything Jim Steinman ever wrote could be boiled down to horny teenagers fucking in the backseat, and I fucking love it.

basically stopped teaching class and made it self study which is what yumi excels at (taught herself how to read with no help while a child), never reports her absence or delinquency, found a long lost relative (the only member of her family she supposedly got along with) thought to be dead and reintroduced them, was one of the main motivating factors for her mom to get a job by providing even the smallest bit of encouragement. this is just off the top of my head in the indirect things sensei has done to make Yumi's life not only better but pretty damn convenient for her. I wonder if she thinks about this and if sensei did it all for her. what other things has he done to make her life better indirectly that I missed.

I can't remember if Yumi's even talked to Kaori yet, even though she now knows she's alive, and I'm not sure how "good" that has been for Yumi, considering the girl she knew as a child isn't in there anymore. The one highlight of her childhood is still, for all intents and purposes, dead. Her body's still walking around, but the person living inside it is completely alien to her.

Sensei can't really take credit for Yuki having a job (Sara hired her independently, and Sensei only found out after the fact that Yuki's new job and Sara's new employee were actually the same event), and Yuki was already getting her shit together before he met her, but he can definitely take credit for (accidentally) putting them in the same space often enough that Yumi got to realize she was turning into the person she was most afraid of turning into, and that has led to Yumi actually being willing to talk to her womb donor again. That's definitely a net positive for her.

But none of that is really intentional on Sensei's part. They're happy accidents. He didn't know Kaori was Yumi's cousin until Yumi told him, he didn't know Yuki was her mother until she told him, and when they all bumped into each other at the convenience store, he had no idea Yumi was there. And Yumi's smart enough to realize this.

and what happened to yumi getting her 10K in a week if 2 months passed without getting it. it was a fast forward right

Everyone fast-forwarded, so there was never an opportunity for Tsukasa to pay. Bear in mind -- Yumi was literally in front of Sensei for the entire time skip, she didn't vanish and reappear. Everyone has stock memories of everything in between the two parties being mundane and normal, except for Yumi delivering an apology she never gave. That time, functionally, never actually existed.

 

[Deleted member 2223621]

Looking at what's in it, it will feel like the first update of Chapter 3 did -- linear for a few events, then opens up into the faux sandbox we're used to.

nice

I can't remember if Yumi's even talked to Kaori yet, even though she now knows she's alive, and I'm not sure how "good" that has been for Yumi, considering the girl she knew as a child isn't in there anymore. The one highlight of her childhood is still, for all intents and purposes, dead. Her body's still walking around, but the person living inside it is completely alien to her.

Sensei can't really take credit for Yuki having a job (Sara hired her independently, and Sensei only found out after the fact that Yuki's new job and Sara's new employee were actually the same event), and Yuki was already getting her shit together before he met her, but he can definitely take credit for (accidentally) putting them in the same space often enough that Yumi got to realize she was turning into the person she was most afraid of turning into, and that has led to Yumi actually being willing to talk to her womb donor again. That's definitely a net positive for her.

But none of that is really intentional on Sensei's part. They're happy accidents. He didn't know Kaori was Yumi's cousin until Yumi told him, he didn't know Yuki was her mother until she told him, and when they all bumped into each other at the convenience store, he had no idea Yumi was there. And Yumi's smart enough to realize this.

"None of that was really intentional on sensei's part" yeah man thats what indirect kinda means, the thing is most of the time people cant tell if you intended it or not when judging people by their actions so i was wondering if she might or someone else like chika assume it was on purpose and then point it out to yumi.

yumi has sort of talked to kaori when she was in the dive bar with her mom after getting expelled and has talked to sensei about her, those interactions were overall positive and showed sensei in a good light to her. lot of other small bits and pieces with that one though. also if I thought my favorite relative died but didnt and only had amnesia and has been wandering the streets alone but making it just fine with their own job and life. I'd be pretty happy and scared to meet them in case it didn't go well.

but sensei can take credit for motivating Yuki to TRY to get a job, she was pretty content to not even bother till that. he was the one that encouraged and pretty much made her believe she could even rebuild a relationship with yumi and get one in the first place by talking about yumi trying to get a job in one of their ramen house visits.

as for not knowing who yuki was, sensei only really 'helped' her out with encouragement about the job after he found out from Yumi. as for kaori, yeah he knew kaori before yumi ever mentioned it to him, but even she realizes they probably never would have crossed paths again if not for him

Everyone fast-forwarded, so there was never an opportunity for Tsukasa to pay. Bear in mind -- Yumi was literally in front of Sensei for the entire time skip, she didn't vanish and reappear. Everyone has stock memories of everything in between the two parties being mundane and normal, except for Yumi delivering an apology she never gave. That time, functionally, never actually existed.

that was more of an attempt to generate discussion on if anything that happened in the time skip actually even happened or not, if they were just uprooted and deposited immediately on the beach and then did mental justifications for it or if the characters sensei, ayane, and maya lost the memory of the 2 months. as tsukasa made an agreement to pay in one week and Yumi very clearly wasnt going to walk out on that. so the gods had like two options she would either remember getting the money but never actually received it or make her remember to never go and collect on the correct day so she would attempt '2 months later' which is very very strong evidence of memory alteration and not a single time skip occurred.

because if was a time skip... a real skip in time, where the world really continued existing and they were just transmigrated mentally into the future (ayane, maya, sensei, and yumi) things could actually happen like yumi getting the money without us seeing it or witnessing it because they still existed to interact with the world and did based on others memories. so for there to be a perceived time skip, someone else controlled all 4? bodies during that 2 month period at the same time and then only gave yumi memories of what they did which included not doing the only thing that required a physical measurable interaction in the world which is completely out of Yumi's best interests, desires, and character. yumi could potentially see herself coming back to class and saying sorry but missing an appointment for 10k.. nah

this also leaves a very interesting development for tsukasa though...
does she even need to pay yumi since she failed to collect on the debt of purchase at the agreed upon 'perceived' date.

 

[k1n5l4y3r]

I wonder what happened in the detentions that Yumi had with past Sensei for her to be so hurt over them, it can't be sexual, she wouldn't take that lying down, can't be essays or other schoolwork or she probably wouldn't feel hurt over it.

One thing this Sensei has done is that iirc he never talked bad about her, never said she is evil or a bad person, probably called her a bitch some time or other, and never tried to sweep what she did under the rug, that is quite mature for him.

Also, since her beating, I think Nodoka has become more perverse, more provocative, this event she's been overtly insistent in her pervesions with her friends, I think she did die and comeback like someone sugested a while back, and felt different from Makoto, while Makoto felt despair she felt exhilarated, that is why she was laughing while beign carried to the infirmary.

 

[Deleted member 2223621]

I wonder what happened in the detentions that Yumi had with past Sensei for her to be so hurt over them, it can't be sexual, she wouldn't take that lying down, can't be essays or other schoolwork or she probably wouldn't feel hurt over it.

One thing this Sensei has done is that iirc he never talked bad about her, never said she is evil or a bad person, probably called her a bitch some time or other, and never tried to sweep what she did under the rug, that is quite mature for him.

Also, since her beating, I think Nodoka has become more perverse, more provocative, this event she's been overtly insistent in her pervesions with her friends, I think she did die and comeback like someone sugested a while back, and felt different from Makoto, while Makoto felt despair she felt exhilarated, that is why she was laughing while beign carried to the infirmary.

interesting thoughts on nodoka, I figured she was laughing because her 'evil' plan for revenge on yumi came to fruition, the bathroom thing wasn't even the plan, the plan was to get her kicked out of school by provoking her in such a way she would have to retaliate. cant wait to see how she reacts that she is back in school again.

as for yumi's detentions...
she says what he did to piss her off in one of the events a long time ago and I think you see it in the "alteration" scene when its jumping around to different images of yumi at the end of the previous update.

he made her stand in a corner with her shirt open while he stared at her

pretty sure it was the bandaged breasts scene

right before the switch to this image

Spoiler: yumi's betrayal

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sensei says "you were an idiot for ever thinking you could trust me after all i've done to you and the most disheartening part of all of that is I can't even remember some of it"

the jacket is the old school uniform yes? before it was changed.... its also sensei's office

 

[SadCoomer]

Also, since her beating, I think Nodoka has become more perverse, more provocative, this event she's been overtly insistent in her pervesions with her friends, I think she did die and comeback like someone sugested a while back, and felt different from Makoto, while Makoto felt despair she felt exhilarated, that is why she was laughing while beign carried to the infirmary.

Maybe she simply liked the beating and now wants more of it

 

[Wardtnaci]

interesting thoughts on nodoka, I figured she was laughing because her 'evil' plan for revenge on yumi came to fruition, the bathroom thing wasn't even the plan, the plan was to get her kicked out of school by provoking her in such a way she would have to retaliate. cant wait to see how she reacts that she is back in school again.

as for yumi's detentions...
she says what he did to piss her off in one of the events a long time ago and I think you see it in the "alteration" scene when its jumping around to different images of yumi at the end of the previous update.

he made her stand in a corner with her shirt open while he stared at her

pretty sure it was the bandaged breasts scene

right before the switch to this image

Spoiler: yumi's betrayal

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sensei says "you were an idiot for ever thinking you could trust me after all i've done to you and the most disheartening part of all of that is I can't even remember some of it"

the jacket is the old school uniform yes? before it was changed

i'll go back and go through and find which Yumi event it was and add it here

Not sure if there will be any more head butting between Nodoka and Yumi, pretty sure Yumi isn't going to allow herself to be provoked again by Nodoka. But never say never.

It was mentioned in 1 scene of last update that Yumi decided to do a public apology for attacking Nodoka. Because of that Yumi's suspension was reversed and she was allowed to rejoin the class which also has made Sensei hang out with Yumi more than normal during the 2 months that were time skipped as a result(hinted their relationship was getting closer than it ever has before).

Pretty sure the image with Yumi's shirt happens sometime during the 2 month time skip, not during the time Yumi was getting detention before the start of the game. Probably some quasi intimate moment between the 2 of them.

Yumi has the old uniform because she didn't order a new style like others because she thought it would cost money and didn't know it would be free.

As for trying to make sense of why she is confused why he saying all that at the beach is because from Yumi's POV; Sensei said all he said starting from the end of Dorm Wars was at the beach, 2 months after Dorm wars and them getting closer in their relationship at the of the time skip. Where as Sensei's POV; we saw play out @ end of Redeemer. Which probably means that all those places that Sensei and Yumi jump to during the time skip are meet up points during 2 month lost to the time skip. Yumi not being to recall much of what she did during those 2 month except for knowing she had Futaba for Sec. Santa was a result of being with Sensei while the time skip was happening.

 

[GinAnalgin]

I just redid the scene and it worked for me, it's case sensitive, so you can't use boobies123 you have to use Boobies123

so wrote.
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