Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.54.0] [Selebus]

[vexx_]

Unless your going to use the care packages than no I believe

What are the care packages for?

 

[barglenarglezous]

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C'mon F95 Stop putting words in my mouth and quote the right user who said it! Because I want to give it a Laugh reaction instead of the Facepalm!!!!

Nah, this isn't F95, it's all me. I had you quoted, scrapped the reply, then replied to something else, but didn't fix the quote text.

I. Do. This. A. Lot.

Not intentionally, i'm just inattentive.

 

[barglenarglezous]

Aw, the memories:

Pretty sure I was responsible for one of those, too.

 

[DeSkel15]

Pretty sure I was responsible for one of those, too.

Yep, lol. The first was you, the second wasn't though. I guess I was just irresistible at the time.

My thought process:

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[Ern The Skáld]

Honestly, I feel rather bored/tired of happy/weird events by now, I still like the actual plot and all, but everytime characters go crazy or the world start to break I'm like "I hope this ends fast".

To me, chapter 3 has been the worst so far, I'm still in the beginning of it so maybe it changes later, but so far I feel like the writting has been in a low note for a while

I honestly think that the only "tedious" event was Amy. After playing through this game a couple of times, I think that Happy events are as much important as all the others

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Since Chapter two they become more cohesive and comprehensible. And they give us an actual backstory of Akira and Ami/Maya/Sekai. Albeit told in a very trippy way, mostly caused by Akira's broken mind state. His blackouts are also this - just triggers, that send his consciousness in a defense mode, so he can't really do anything, besides act like his body is used to. Sure, there are some exceptions with GOD god fuckery, like Lavender Green, but still. It's still unclear if there are actually any gods involved or is it just his delusions. For me, the mind of an utterly broken man is a very interesting topic to read.

 

[Angiboat]

Are people here that really like Nodoka? Because the truth is that it is very difficult for me to empathize with her, because although she has some reason for what she does, her actions are too disproportionate and unjustified, rather they seem like an excuse to give free rein to her perversion.

She's in the "I don't care much for her" category for now.
Maybe when we get to see her not just being calculating mastermind that occasionally slips up slightly I will care about her more, which might happen in the near future, doesn't help that any scene with her is always when she's accompanied by other people so it's never really intimate/connection time and the only alone times you get is just barrages of innuendos or her going on schizo rants.

 

[5A 61 68 79 6E 68 79 6B]

This is old, but, man, you can't be serious.

Are people here that really like Nodoka? Because the truth is that it is very difficult for me to empathize with her, because although she has some reason for what she does, her actions are too disproportionate and unjustified, rather they seem like an excuse to give free rein to her perversion.

Well, let's say I like Nodoka. Why is it necessary to empathize because of sympathy? So there are not enough truly antagonists in the novel. I take what he give.
If only it were more clearly shown and not through a set of some metaphors and nonsense.

Kramer in "Saw" is a bad people, but very good and intersting character

I would also say a few words about how I see the future of Io, but I will not open this can of worms

 

[DSasha]

It's from like 4 months ago, but yeah, I was and still am "serious", lmao.

Oh, now I realize that was rude from me, sorry man, not intended.

 

[DSasha]

Ahhh this is so exhausting, I wrote a bunch of words answering a lot of you guys, but the thought of having to come back later to keep the discussion is to much for me already, so I'll just say that I disagree with deskel and that I was talking about Nodoka as a person and not as a character.


Mmm no wonder why Io is one of my favourite characters, and Wakana, I want to fucking die.

 

[5A 61 68 79 6E 68 79 6B]

Well, It's not necessary, And I fully agree with you, but the thing is I was really asking for Nodoka as a person and not as a character because of the old comment I cited.

Have we seen Nodoka the human? So far we see an occult creature with psychopathy.
But she takes care of her mom.

And anyway, are there many good people here? Everyone can have such a bouquet of disgust to collect. And this is what I'm talking about now about those that we know about.

Unless, of course, you are hypocritical and make corrections for the leakiness of the novel

it's noticeable about you and Io. By the way, is Io a good human?

 

[ccxvidonaferens]

and Wakana, I want to fucking die.

Just a thought. All the times Wakana says she wants to fucking die are we sure it's not been a massive typo/sensei mishearing and she's actually saying she 'wants to die fucking'.

 

[DSasha]

it's noticeable about you and Io.

I didn't think it was

 

[JelF547]

Nodoka is quite a reccuring topic, isn't she? Hope you guys are just trolling.

Actualy, what exactly are you discussing? For me it is both obvious that she is bad in terms of moral (Somewhere around Sensei and Haruka) and that she is cute and well-written.

Have we seen Nodoka the human? So far we see an occult creature with psychopathy.

Sidenote: human creatures with psychopathy are more or less same. She is a good representation of them

 

[5A 61 68 79 6E 68 79 6B]

Sidenote: human creatures with psychopathy are more or less same. She is a good representation of them

While she is a function, not a full-fledged character who can be called a human.

Actualy, what exactly are you discussing? For me it is both obvious that she is bad in terms of moral (Somewhere around Sensei and Haruka) and that she is cute and well-written.

Is Ami okay with morals? I'll even ask in a different way, what does it mean to be bad with morality?

 

[Angiboat]

Ahhh this is so exhausting, I wrote a bunch of words answering a lot of you guys, but the thought of having to come back later to keep the discussion is to much for me already

Alright.

 

[JelF547]

While she is a function, not a full-fledged character who can be called a human.

Heh, I am sure game will explain you that you are wrong some time. Just because it is what Sel does.

Is Ami okay with morals? I'll even ask in a different way, what does it mean to be bad with morality?

I don't like Ami if you ask. Nodoka intentionaly does bad things and ignores feelings of her acquaintances. I am not going to argue on definition of good or bad, neither I intent to measure her by rank in some badness rating. If you wish to say Ami is worse than she, okay, it chagnes nothing

 

[5A 61 68 79 6E 68 79 6B]

Heh, I am sure game will explain you that you are wrong some time. Just because it is what Sel does.

What a pity that his words don't always have letters. Because communicating thoughts is clearly not the best side Seleboba, lmao

As well as his double standards

I am not going to argue on definition of good or bad, neither I intent to measure her by rank in some badness rating

Well, I agree here, we can go too deep with this

 

[DeSkel15]

Honestly, I don't think Nodoka is a psychopath or a sociopath (or any other term that really just comes down to meaning "thinking different is bad")

I think Nodoka suffers from Alexithymia, aka Emotional Blindness. As intelligent and apparently boundless as she is when it comes to knowledge, she seems unable to actually understand emotions.

This is shown a few times:

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Nevertheless, I think if people look past their own perception of her, they might realize a few things:

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Nodoka is actually trying to help others most of the time. She's not perfect, but she's really not nearly as bad as most seem to think.

Overall: Nodoka isn't some kind of Sociopathic Satan. She's just complex. She still has feelings:

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And she seems like one of the few people that might actually be able to save everyone in the end.

However, it seems like her main flaw is that she sucks at getting others to understand what she needs them to:

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So, we'll just have to wait and see if she's able to find a way, then things might become clearer.

 

[Bingoogus]

Honestly, I don't think Nodoka is a psychopath or a sociopath (or any other term that really just comes down to meaning "thinking different is bad")

I think Nodoka suffers from Alexithymia, aka Emotional Blindness. As intelligent and apparently boundless as she is when she comes to knowledge, she seems unable to actually understand emotions.

This is shown a few times:

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Nevertheless, I think if people look past their own perception of her, they might realize a few things:

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Nodoka is actually trying to help others most of the time. She's not perfect, but she's really not nearly as bad as most seem to think.

Overall: Nodoka isn't some kind of Sociopathic Satan. She's just complex. She still has feelings:

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And she seems like one of the few people that might actually be able to save everyone in the end.

However, it seems like her main flaw is that she sucks at getting others to understand what she needs them to:

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So, we'll just have to wait and see if she's able to find a way, then things might become clearer.

You have a real knack for laying things out man. I said a short while ago how i like Nodoka for her place in the story, not who she is as a person but you've given me a lot to think about now...

 

[5A 61 68 79 6E 68 79 6B]

Oh, if you understood Russian, I could insert a lot of things now, but since we may have a lot of misunderstandings, I will say only one thing — Psychopathy is not bad, it's the same syndrome where they don't really take into attention the emotions of others and fully understand them. It's not good and not bad, it's just the same disease. And as for the fact that Nodoka doesn't understand, there are exactly two points:
First, why did she say it was worth it when she was beaten?
The second is why did she understand Futaba's feelings from Yumi at all, and when she came and said that she had done garbage with this story in a book, she did not understand? Moreover, she herself did not invite her to the presentation, knowing that she would not like it and she would feel uncomfortable

And I'll tell you why, because the Texas creator himself does not know what his Nodoka is, she's like that, that's it. Logic is also not about Selebus... Sorry