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TBone9

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Maya wish this, Akira wish that, when does the true heroine Desk-chan get a wish? Bound to watch her lover Akira fornicate with other girls, whilst not being able to consummate their love, only for Noriko to swoop in and steal her innocence. Truly a a tragic tale.
Even worse, she may have had to live with the anguish of him doing it with some of them right on top of her.
 

Detective Dc345

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Old district? Are they christmalloweening there or is this going to be a christmas where they don't just stay in one spot?

Or maybe it's a Nodoka TSS?
Its probably going to similar to previous Christmas Events, where it takes place in multiple places. The Tsukiokas are on Chinami duty at Epstien Tsukioka Manor and then everybody else is at the hotel in the Urban District. And of course Nodoka travels to the old district.
 
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DeSkel15

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While I find this funny, I think you're missing a few things.

The gods don't think Maya is wrong, the company is simply trying to understand how this took place, since it shouldn't be possible for a wish to have a wish of her own. They torture Maya because they ran out of ideas thousands of years ago. At this point, any sort of idea to get a different reaction from her is fair game.

Himawari's reasoning for pointing at Maya and Ami is far different. Our Akira is not the Akira of Maya's wish world. He's an outsider, maybe the Akira that Maya made the wish for.

And Himawari, for obvious reasons, wants him to escape (because he's not from there in the first place). Ami wants him to stay (for whatever reason - since it's unclear if she even distinguishes between Akiras), and Maya Prime wants him to stay because he's (possibly) the actual Akira that also should never have been there, but is the one she wishes to be.

In this sense, both of them are adversaries to the goal of getting Himawari's Akira out of there, yes. The gods/company could care less.
Well, there is (at least) one problem with Himawari's goals that doesn't seem to make much sense.

Apparently, Akira and Ayane will be sent back to where they are meant to be, if the world gets cleansed:
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So, if Himawari isn't the reason the world is falling apart, then simply doing nothing should get her what she wants. However, she clearly feels the need to interfere.

This suggests that her actual goal is different. Presumably, she just wants to create a world where Ayane and Akira create her and live happily ever after. (Nothing and no one else matters)

To accomplish something even remotely like this, she seems to believe that Maya cannot exist:
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Because with Maya around, it would be extremely unlikely for Akira to end up with Ayane. (Frankly, I don't see why he'd end up with Ayane if Maya doesn't exist either, but Himawari is optimistic...)

There's also how Maya may exist where Akira is meant to be:
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Which isn't something that Himawari wants to be true for obvious reasons.

But to get rid of Maya would probably require stopping Ami, who is more or less safeguarding Maya's wish and this world. So, while they want nothing to do with Himawari or gods, Himawari needs to get rid of them to get what she wants.

There's also seemingly another and potentially way bigger problem...

Where Akira, and possibly whoever else, is meant to be, may no longer even exist. Terminal 22, which Nao-chan claims is Akira's home:
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Is apparently just straight up gone, according to Yasu's implications:
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This might explain why Himawari is unable to find out where Akira (and Ayane) belong. It could be because it's simply gone.

In that case then Himawari's plans are screwed and if this world, presumably Terminal 23, collapses or gets cleansed then everyone within it may be screwed. Or at least homeless, assuming they don't end up in a world like The Pareidolia Mall or in Himawari's wish-world, etc.
 
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JLP603

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so real world akira -> niki child hood friend-> sekai dies -> self hate downward spiral -> real akira has ayane and himawari in 2035.
ami creates wish world which captures wishes of other people -> sensei is born -> somehow maya is willed into existence??? ->maya creates a wish??? (to be with her creator?) ->createspresent wishing well world which happens to have the wishes of akira maya makoto etc????
am i right?
 

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so real world akira -> niki child hood friend-> sekai dies -> self hate downward spiral -> real akira has ayane and himawari in 2035.
ami creates wish world which captures wishes of other people -> sensei is born -> somehow maya is willed into existence??? ->maya creates a wish??? (to be with her creator?) ->createspresent wishing well world which happens to have the wishes of akira maya makoto etc????
am i right?
I don't think Ayane's epilogue was supposed to suggest that the "real world" Akira will end up like in this wish world. It's essentially Himawari's wish, so it's yet another parallel universe or wish world, however you want to phrase it, in which everything goes according to what's in Himawari's best interest. At least that's what she claims.

We don't really know the real order of actions from the past, who the real world Akira is, we can only speculate.
At this point, we cannot be sure of anyone else not also being a wish of someone existing in this world.

Moonflare and DeSkel already provided good theories, but they are just that, theories.
Personally I'm not convinced yet that everything is as it seems to be, the game is full of unreliable narrators, gods have been proven to misinform and misguide just for the fun of it or to escalate situations. Is everything that Himawari is saying actually true?
What exactly have been Prime Maya's and Ami's true intentions?
What exactly made Akira wish for Maya?
And why did Maya wish for this world to exist and how did she do it in the first place?

I already theorized that Niki, at least as we know her in this world, is not real either, especially since Himawari hinted at that already. And it may as well turn out that the same applies to others.
There is a suspicious amount of fatherless characters in the story, it would not be totally crazy to think that maybe the "real" or "past" Akira was involved and this world is based on his or someone's wish to have him get the chance to see his alleged daughters grow up and help them out with their traumas and make them love him (guess he should have been careful about phrasing here) or something like that. Many stories are based on this sort of dilemma.

At the end of the day we don't know what's hiding in Sel's sick mind, but I'm curious to get some answers to the many questions there still are.
 
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