Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.54.0] [Selebus]

[alex2011]

They definitely don't check manually, it was already on my Mega for at least a week, it only got reported after sharing it here.

To be fair, if these are the requests given to $30 legacy+ patrons for this game, then the report is correct for a ton of them and MEGA blanket bans it all from what I can tell.

That's where you are wrong. Try talking to some professional content creators at some point. Most don't *like* it, but accept it as an eventuality and acknowledge that to some degree it's a sign of success.

That's not acceptance, that's surrender, they realized nothing they do will have a permanent effect, so they stop trying. Acceptance would be like if Sel actively allowed these things on the thread without resistance, which clearly he has not.

It's not that F95 doesn't care about anime kids. It's that for most of the game's lifespan, Selebus made sure we knew that all characters were over the age of 18, but now that it's convenient for them to be kids he's saying they're kids, and F95 isn't letting him play that game.

I'm pretty sure they were never actually 18+ aside from blatant adults considering the main cast is entirely composed of a teacher and his students in a school that is never specified as a higher education institution. He just didn't come out and directly state their ages until the care packages.

The 'all characters featured are 18 or older' thing is usually just a cover statement anyway. For that reason, I am going to have to disagree on this.

Bullshit. The main game only have NSFW content with pubescent characters. The ** have NSFW content with pre-pubescent characters.

"nudity or sexualization or sexual/erotic activity involving prepubescent character(s) is prohibited" according to rule 7 with the caveat that "2D and 'unrealistic' depictions are generally looked upon more favorably". What is realistic or not is subjective but overall, i repeat, F95 doesn't give a fuck about anime-style lolis getting railed. Just filter the games by the loli tag and see for yourself.

For now, but Tsukasa and Chinami are pretty much confirmed for the future. To be fair on the CPs, none of the loli forms are directly confirmed a specified age, so they could potentially be seen as borderline pubescent.

 

[ccxvidonaferens]

it was not adhered to by the free side of the player base for the vast majority of versions, it was leaked consistently, sometimes within hours of a patron release

Correct me if I'm wrong but all the free side of the player base can do is request that someone leak the subscriber version early. It actually takes a subscriber whose willing to leak it for the leak to happen.

As such the way I see it the real problem at heart for him if he really examines it is not the free side of the player base. It's that he can not trust that not one of his subscribers will leak it. Maybe for money (unlikely) or maybe just for shits and giggles.

 

[alex2011]

Correct me if I'm wrong but all the free side of the player base can do is request that someone leak the subscriber version early. It actually takes a subscriber whose willing to leak it for the leak to happen.

As such the way I see it the real problem at heart for him if he really examines it is not the free side of the player base. It's that he can not trust that none of his subscribers will leak it. Maybe for money (unlikely) or maybe just for shits and giggles.

It does, the subscriber then becoming a supplier. This is why I would suggest to him to figure out a solution to track who has a specific copy, sort of like product serial numbers. He could then ban whoever did it, using them as an example to make the rest fall in line.

It would be tedious given he would have to set up a tracking list and give the patrons their version individually to avoid the usual communal links that could be used by literally anyone with access and would potentially lead to copies with the same tracking information, but it is doable as I have seen other creators do this on games featured here.

 

[Deleted member 2223621]

My new Mega account got flagged for some reason too, I didn't have anything uploaded on that one.

someone might be flagging you based on IP, rise above, VPN yourself

 

[DarkDaemonX]

Oh god, the people who are against the pirating are here, on a pirating forum, giving Sel ideas.

 

[DarkDaemonX]

someone might be flagging you based on IP, rise above, VPN yourself

So it isn't Mega who blacklisted my IP? because it took hours after posting about it for my 2nd account to be flagged.

 

[ocworld]

Oh god, the people who are against the pirating are here, on a pirating forum, gibing Sel ideas.

What wrong being anitpiracy in piracy forum itself as idea?If we push aside sel persona

 

[akselx]

What wrong being anitpiracy in piracy forum itself as idea?If we push aside sel persona

It's kind of antithetical to this place, but it's whatever. Nothing wrong with discussing it. For over 9000th time.

 

[ocworld]

If I were Sel, I would consider doing what you together to punish people for being cunts and fucking over devs with instant leaks.

On first glance good idea,on second leaks can happen on such penalties as death i fail to see how it supposed punish even a single leaker

 

[akselx]

If I were Sel, I would consider doing what you suggest with tracking, and at the same time implementing a progressively rising cost increase for any and all new subscribers. Each time the game gets leaked within two days, the price goes up. No leaks for at least two days, the price stays stable. I mean, some people here are such cunts that at some point I'd probably do it out of spite. Sucks for trying to grow the game, but you're going to make the life of someone trying to join simply to leak miserable.

Again, there are pages all over this site where people come together to punish people for being cunts and fucking over devs with instant leaks. There are mandatory wait periods before leaks all over the fucking place. The idea that there's no reasonable middle ground is a fucking joke to anyone who's been here for a while. (yeah, yeah, I know this account is new, but I'm not).

I think that's the first time I ever disliked the response on this site. Holly shit, u truly, unironically advocate for punishing unrelated people out of spite. I resent this.

 

[Deleted member 2223621]

So it isn't Mega who blacklisted my IP? because it took hours after posting about it for my 2nd account to be flagged.

i mean it could be either way but I know how his simps in discord behave, considering what happened recently.... fair bet on which it was
it probably takes hours to respond to a complaint, while if mega black listed your IP i doubt you would even get it up and running.

 

[barglenarglezous]

If I were Sel, I would consider doing what you suggest with tracking, and at the same time implementing a progressively rising cost increase for any and all new subscribers. Each time the game gets leaked within two days, the price goes up. No leaks for at least two days, the price stays stable. I mean, some people here are such cunts that at some point I'd probably do it out of spite. Sucks for trying to grow the game, but you're going to make the life of someone trying to join simply to leak miserable.

Again, there are pages all over this site where people come together to punish people for being cunts and fucking over devs with instant leaks. There are mandatory wait periods before leaks all over the fucking place. The idea that there's no reasonable middle ground is a fucking joke to anyone who's been here for a while. (yeah, yeah, I know this account is new, but I'm not).

Two releases/month + care package = bottom tier costs $23 within six months.

This is a great idea if you absolutely want your project to go bankrupt.

 

[Axismundi]

Each time the game gets leaked within two days, the price goes up. No leaks for at least two days, the price stays stable. I mean, some people here are such cunts that at some point I'd probably do it out of spite. Sucks for trying to grow the game, but you're going to make the life of someone trying to join simply to leak miserable.

An interesting idea, but besides hurting growth, all it would take is a pirate to make some extra accounts at the smallest price point if this is ever announced and leak them till they run out of accounts. This would skyrocket the price and basically stop all growth with little to no change in price to the pirate.

 

[Deleted member 2223621]

Two releases/month + care package = bottom tier costs $23 within six months.

This is a great idea if you absolutely want your project to go bankrupt.

shhhhhhh we want him to lose money remember, we are the evil pirates, we have to encourage their bad ideas, not discourage them

 

[ocworld]

It's kind of antithetical to this place, but it's whatever. Nothing wrong with discussing it. For over 9000th time.

How is antithetical when you need interference from mods to stop such discussion. (not in this thread)It only for community within itself to decide.There are still no leaks for some games

 

[Black Raven]

For now, but Tsukasa and Chinami are pretty much confirmed for the future.

I know, i know. Still it would be insane to preemptively censor a game because of planned content.

To be fair on the CPs, none of the loli forms are directly confirmed a specified age, so they could potentially be seen as borderline pubescent.

Their ages are unspecified but the dialogue (minus the loli Kirin who didn't get new lines) and their looks make it very hard to call them any shade of pubescent. I suppose with enough bad faith everything is possible though.

 

[Silentce]

His stance was, and still is, that while piracy is inevitable, instant piracy is a pretty shitty thing to do.

Piracy is a neutral arbiter. It does not discriminate or provide special treatment. All games are pirated equally and shared by the whims of those who upload them for whatever reason they decide. Although you may consider it shitty for a game to be pirated and shared with no consideration for the developer, is it not equally shitty for other developers if one game is allotted special treatment over others to protect said developers own ego? Selebus is not special, there are hundreds of developers making games just like him and there will be hundreds more in the future. Life, much like piracy in my mind is neither caring nor kind, it is an abstract concept and will go on regardless of what you wish. Try as you may to fight against it you will fail in the end. Your only choice is to adapt and move forward.

Just my overly dramatic post for kicks while I have my lunch.

 

[BlackDays]

So it isn't Mega who blacklisted my IP? because it took hours after posting about it for my 2nd account to be flagged.

Just trying to explain it technical wise here.
Behind is a database. I guess Mega accounts should be in the millions. Even with the most sophisticated engine and hardware, those numbers add up.
And thats just scripted things. If Mega has some people behind, to actually look into some kind of reports genereated by those things, then there's even more delay.
So in the end you're pretty sure IP banned. It just takes time for the whole system to take effect.
But thats just me guessing on what i know.

If I were Sel, I would consider doing what you suggest with tracking, and at the same time implementing a progressively rising cost increase for any and all new subscribers. Each time the game gets leaked within two days, the price goes up. No leaks for at least two days, the price stays stable. I mean, some people here are such cunts that at some point I'd probably do it out of spite. Sucks for trying to grow the game, but you're going to make the life of someone trying to join simply to leak miserable.

Again, there are pages all over this site where people come together to punish people for being cunts and fucking over devs with instant leaks. There are mandatory wait periods before leaks all over the fucking place. The idea that there's no reasonable middle ground is a fucking joke to anyone who's been here for a while. (yeah, yeah, I know this account is new, but I'm not).

Sel could do that, but give it a try and think of it's implications. He'd be punishing the people who do "support" him. It's kinda shooting youself in the foot.
Maybe alot of people just don't get the dynamics of such things. Espacially with social media platforms.

 

[DarkDaemonX]

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Custom Renders (including gravure renders) once again, you're not keeping me down, unless F95 mods are against it, in that case I'll remove the post, but only then, but in that case they'll remove it themselves anyways.

 

[alex2011]

If I were Sel, I would consider doing what you suggest with tracking, and at the same time implementing a progressively rising cost increase for any and all new subscribers. Each time the game gets leaked within two days, the price goes up. No leaks for at least two days, the price stays stable. I mean, some people here are such cunts that at some point I'd probably do it out of spite. Sucks for trying to grow the game, but you're going to make the life of someone trying to join simply to leak miserable.

Again, there are pages all over this site where people come together to punish people for being cunts and fucking over devs with instant leaks. There are mandatory wait periods before leaks all over the fucking place. The idea that there's no reasonable middle ground is a fucking joke to anyone who's been here for a while. (yeah, yeah, I know this account is new, but I'm not).

Honestly, at the point where LiL is at, I would take keeping the game going over growing its subscriber base. It can be extremely demoralizing to have work leaked like this and that can then slow or even stop the game development entirely, subscribers are no good to a developer that puts the work in if they are demoralized out of working on their product.

That said, I do disagree on the basis that this would punish those who have nothing to do with leaks.

I also had a bit of an idea just now about a way the tracking could be done, email copies with a code to be put in on the main menu of patron versions to unlock the gameplay that would be unique to the emailed copy in the sense that only one patron would ever have that specific code. While all of the codes would work, they would be tied to specific people. Only the free versions would have a universally released code, making it easy to know who the supplier is for any given release and ban them.

I know, i know. Still it would be insane to preemptively censor a game because of planned content.



Their ages are unspecified but the dialogue (minus the loli Kirin who didn't get new lines) and their looks make it very hard to call them any shade of pubescent. I suppose with enough bad faith everything is possible though.

It would be, yes.