Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.54.0] [Selebus]

[DarkDaemonX]

I believe I've read it said here that Sel isn't into anal, so I always assumed that pegging was out too. I could be wrong, but I always figured it was one of those things teased for a laugh that will never happen especially with how Sensei is so adamantly against it.

Yet anal is mentioned so many times, and he actually fucked Sara's ass as well (unknowingly, but still), so why mention it in your game so much if you're not into it, is Selebus a masochist and likes thinking about stuff he doesn't like?

 

[DarkDaemonX]

Still has "heavy themes", and the MC is still trash, but he's actually trying to be better, now, maybe. We'll see how long that lasts. Still rather fucked up though. Albeit, I suppose it depends on your perspective, just how fucked up.

Ami is more fucked up than Akira now, she's literally a tiny mention of the loops away from killing everyone.

 

[throwawaysponge]

So, Random Theory Time: Niki is intended to be Sensei's "True Love".

Now, as far as has been revealed, pre resets, Sensei has only ever been with 3 people:

• Sekai, who seemed to be notably jealous of Niki, and probably still is:
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• Maya, who has been and still is jealous of Niki without ever actually meeting her:
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• And Niki, who is unaware of Sekai having a relationship with Sensei, before her, and Maya having one, after her, to the point she wondered if Sensei was currently a virgin recently:
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Well, after recent events have been revealed about Sensei's character, it seems appropriate to say, that the more Sensei cares about a person, the less he actually tries to fuck them. This is especially notable with Imani vs Rika:

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Albeit, this could even apply to the likes of Ami, Noriko, Rin, and Sana through out the game.

Keeping that in mind, It's been established that Sensei never pushed Niki to have sex. It's likely the main reason Niki was almost a 30 year old virgin, until she recently convinced Sensei to fuck her:

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Unlike Imani or the rest of the girls, Sensei actually dated Niki, so, him of all people, not really trying to fuck her was most likely just his way of caring about her. There wasn't even really a friendship in the way like with Imani, since they dated for 5 years:

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Now, compare it to his relationship with Sekai and Maya, which seemed to revolve around sex:

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and there's definitely something special about Niki. Even the possibility that Sekai forbade Sensei to fuck her, seems unlikely considering Sekai's character:

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And, all these years later, the one memory Sensei seems to have regained is the night he and Niki first kissed:

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On top of this, Niki is the one who helped Sensei remember his first name:

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Which even Sensei considers "a big deal".

I think Sensei even saying he's in love with Niki means a whole lot more than him saying he loves anyone else. Probably even Maya. Especially considering how open he has already been about his love for Niki:

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Overall: based off who Sensei is as a person, and the context surrounding his and Niki's relationship, it seems like she might be intended to be his actual "True Love".

At least, as far as someone like him could love. It also helps that their love seems to be the most healthy one.. and that's saying something.

I still have so much shit to read through but I'm inserting myself here as a Niki propaganda enjoyer once again (Please also insert Wakana and her not yet fleshed out gf (I GUESS) into this equation) to say: Fuckin based.

 

[DeSkel15]

Ami is more fucked up than Akira now, she's literally a tiny mention of the loops away from killing everyone.

I doubt it. Especially after the recent beach update:

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I'd be more worried about Maya or Sensei, tbh.

 

[storycoolbro]

DRM care package v2:

Patched gui.rpy (install this in your LiL/game folder to disable the DRM)
Hidden-code-free summerdorm2monsecond.png (just to eradicate the DRM for completeness)

Original .30 script.rpy (in case yours gets schwacked)
1-1-LT1.save - Complete 0.29 Good Uncle save (needs Guide Mod in original post to work, even the older version will work)

I'm sure someone can provide a Bad Uncle save if needed.

On a semi-related note, the fishing game seen in some early porn shop events with posters - Hero's Harem Guild - supposedly updates today after 2.5 years on hiatus

Crazy how we've gotten to a point where a guy who's delayed updates that long has done markedly less damage to his own community than in this one, one of the most regularly updated games in the biz.

where do I put/what do I do with the .png

 

[alex2011]

You know, one thing that has been bothering me for a while now. We've seen Rin in her bikini with uncovered arms, we've seen Rin cutting herself, but we never see the marks on her arms in those bikini scenes. That level of cutting is not going away overnight if it ever does, especially with how long she's been at it.

I struggle to see Otoha x Rin lasting that much longer, especially based off how Otoha is starting to treat her:

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However, whether or not Sensei will be a "Good Homie" and let Rin know Otoha cheated, or he'll be a "Bad Homie" and hope that keeping it from Rin will somehow lead to both Rin and Otoha sucking his cock down the road, is up in the air.

I can see him rationalizing that what Rin doesn't know, won't hurt her, then acting like he didn't know, when it does hurt her anyway. Which will also probably hurt her on top of it, because I doubt Otoha won't just throw Sensei under the bus, once it comes out, like she did with his name to Nodoka.

Considering the "fuck Otoha" scene, I don't think it will, thankfully. What Sensei will probably learn the hard way is, with a girl like Rin, what she doesn't know actually WILL hurt her. She'll find out eventually and it may end up being even worse because she's been thinking like she has plus she may even find out Sensei knew and decided not to tell her. This has potential to blow up massively as we're looking at several points that could hurt her that can also converge into one big hit to her mental and emotional state.

I wouldn't count out Rin being a victim of the gods, on top of her mind. Rin is one of the few people Sensei truly seems to care about:

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And I'd assume that, that, alone makes her a target.

Not to mention she's also a virgin and could easily be the thing HOPE wants Sensei to take. Especially considering she's also in a relationship meaning she technically belongs to someone else.

Oh no, certainly not, she's both swinging toward other girls at the moment and in a relationship on top of not having experience in game, or we can assume ever, and that makes her a prime candidate for what HOPE wants out of Sensei assuming some form of non-consensual or dubiously consensual sex is what he wants Sensei to do. However, she has the power, she has the tools, and she has shown tendencies that could put her in more immediate danger than the gods would put her in seeing as the conditions for consequences have yet to be met. She could do any of that before they even have a chance to use her, the next in game day from where we left off even. That's how unpredictable people with that kind of thing going on can be.

 

[crustlord12]

Lmao at your avatar crustlord12

I was told to change my avatar, and so I changed it. Bet it took you all a moment to recognize me, huh?

 

[NaughtyX]

Hi, when is the next update ?

 

[bashaLL0XX]

The value of sharing event is not trigerring even though I fulfilled all the requirements according to multiple walkthroughs. Any ideas why?

 

[DeSkel15]

You know, one thing that has been bothering me for a while now. We've seen Rin in her bikini with uncovered arms, we've seen Rin cutting herself, but we never see the marks on her arms in those bikini scenes. That level of cutting is not going away overnight if it ever does, especially with how long she's been at it.


Considering the "fuck Otoha" scene, I don't think it will, thankfully. What Sensei will probably learn the hard way is, with a girl like Rin, what she doesn't know actually WILL hurt her. She'll find out eventually and it may end up being even worse because she's been thinking like she has plus she may even find out Sensei knew and decided not to tell her. This has potential to blow up massively as we're looking at several points that could hurt her that can also converge into one big hit to her mental and emotional state.


Oh no, certainly not, she's both swinging toward other girls at the moment and in a relationship on top of not having experience in game, or we can assume ever, and that makes her a prime candidate for what HOPE wants out of Sensei assuming some form of non-consensual or dubiously consensual sex is what he wants Sensei to do. However, she has the power, she has the tools, and she has shown tendencies that could put her in more immediate danger than the gods would put her in seeing as the conditions for consequences have yet to be met. She could do any of that before they even have a chance to use her, the next in game day from where we left off even. That's how unpredictable people with that kind of thing going on can be.

Rin seems to use make up to hide the wounds:

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And I don't think I've ever seen her swim, plus her body has likely adapted to this, and heals quick, so that's likely why we don't see the wounds when she's in a Bikini.

Rin seems very experienced with this sort of thing, though, and has been doing it for years:

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So, I wouldn't worry too much about her depression causing her to kill herself. Rin seems to wound herself to feel alive. It's not really a suicidal thing. As Rin puts it:

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Feeling betrayed by Otoha, and Sensei if he knew, but said nothing, on the other hand? Yeah, that might cause her to kill herself.

Depression itself wouldn't be the cause though. It'd be an impulsive broken heart. I can see her jumping to conclusions such as Chika knew, Futaba knew, Rika knew, Molly knew, etc and there's no one she can trust, and nothing left to live for. Likely enhanced by her depression where you can only really see the worst in things. In other words:

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Honestly, it's a little refreshing yet saddening to see a realistic take on this sort of thing.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

A question for folks' opinions about Io, Miku’s personal illegal pharmacist: would you do the same in her shoes? Not how you’d do it better or more strategically, but would you do exactly the same as what Io did despite now knowing the consequence on Miku’s end in the recent update? (no right or wrong answer)

I honestly would still do it without hesitation. Especially with the knowledge of knowing how Miku’s conditions were noted but never treated for however long it has been through a player perspective, Io’s less than optimal approach is at least an approach.

I remembered being extra pissed at Sensei when he lectured Io. What he said is correct, but nobody needs your moral correctness when a physical someone requires an actual solution (almost ASAP sometimes). Since no one exerted a pint of effort to make the best solution take shape, the best solution thus remains a intangible dream while spectators of the situation continue to talk shit about how this isn’t right and what could’ve been better.

It’s the “Somebody do something! But not me!” responsibility-avoiding ideology that sets me off so much. If you can't timely and willingly provide your best method when needed, don't come and complain afterwards as no one can see the future and guarantee that leaving the issue unattended (or telling someone that won't budge twice a day to go to therapy; yea unattended in my eye) wouldn't lead to a even greater consequence.

 

[alex2011]

I was told to change my avatar, and so I changed it. Bet it took you all a moment to recognize me, huh?

I mean, I was laughing for a solid minute, changing your avatar to a screenshot of your info without an avatar image was well played, did not expect that.

Rin seems to use make up to hide the wounds:

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And I don't think I've ever seen her swim, plus her body has likely adapted to this, and heals quick, so that's likely why we don't see the wounds when she's in a Bikini.

Rin seems very experienced with this sort of thing, though, and has been doing it for years:

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So, I wouldn't worry too much about her depression causing her to kill herself. Rin seems to wound herself to feel alive. It's not really a suicidal thing. As Rin puts it:

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Feeling betrayed by Otoha, and Sensei if he knew, but said nothing, on the other hand? Yeah, that might cause her to kill herself.

Depression itself wouldn't be the cause though. It'd be an impulsive broken heart. I can see her jumping to conclusions such as Chika knew, Futaba knew, Rika knew, Molly knew, etc and there's no one she can trust, and nothing left to live for. Likely enhanced by her depression where you can only really see the worst in things. In other words:

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Honestly, it's a little refreshing yet saddening to see a realistic take on this sort of thing.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that little detail, she did imply pretty heavily that that's how she hides the marks based on her knowledge that it works. Also a good way to avoid the issue behind the scenes as that would take a body overlay or photoshop to add, which is getting a bit more complicated than really necessary. You've got a point on the swimming, we've never seen it, we've only ever seen her appear on the sand during beach events.

I'm not exactly worried by the cutting itself in the suicide sense at this point, it's more that it shows she is capable of extreme acts against herself. That plus a push like multiple people betraying her at once, at least in her eyes, would be a very dangerous combination. This won't be the first time she's been close to something that could push her like that if it does happen, though.

A question for folks' opinions about Io, Miku’s personal illegal pharmacist: would you do the same in her shoes? Not how you’d do it better or more strategically, but would you do exactly the same as what Io did despite now knowing the consequence on Miku’s end in the recent update? (no right or wrong answer)

I honestly would still do it without hesitation. Especially with the knowledge of knowing how Miku’s conditions were noted but never treated for however long it has been through a player perspective, Io’s less than optimal approach is at least an approach.

I remembered being extra pissed at Sensei when he lectured Io. What he said is correct, but nobody needs your moral correctness when a physical someone requires an actual solution (almost ASAP sometimes). Since no one exerted a pint of effort to make the best solution take shape, the best solution thus remains a intangible dream while spectators of the situation continue to talk shit about how this isn’t right and what could’ve been better.

It’s the “Somebody do something! But not me!” responsibility-avoiding ideology that sets me off so much. If you can't timely and willingly provide your best method when needed, don't come and complain afterwards as no one can see the future and guarantee that leaving the issue unattended (or telling someone that won't budge twice a day to go to therapy; yea unattended in my eye) wouldn't lead to a even greater consequence.

No, first of all that's illegal on the federal level here, second that's extremely dangerous. You never know how their body will react to it, you don't know what the proper dosage is, only their doctor would know and that is what I would be more inclined to go for, getting them a proper source that can help them in the most effective way with the proper instructions on any medications prescribed.

 

[DeSkel15]

A question for folks' opinions about Io, Miku’s personal illegal pharmacist: would you do the same in her shoes? Not how you’d do it better or more strategically, but would you do exactly the same as what Io did despite now knowing the consequence on Miku’s end in the recent update? (no right or wrong answer)

I honestly would still do it without hesitation. Especially with the knowledge of knowing how Miku’s conditions were noted but never treated for however long it has been through a player perspective, Io’s less than optimal approach is at least an approach.

I remembered being extra pissed at Sensei when he lectured Io. What he said is correct, but nobody needs your moral correctness when a physical someone requires an actual solution (almost ASAP sometimes). Since no one exerted a pint of effort to make the best solution take shape, the best solution thus remains a intangible dream while spectators of the situation continue to talk shit about how this isn’t right and what should’ve been better.

It’s the “Somebody do something! But not me!” responsibility-avoiding ideology that sets me off so much. If you can't timely and willingly provide your best method when needed, don't come and complain afterwards as no one can see the future and guarantee that leaving her unattended wouldn't lead to a even greater consequence.

I wouldn't. Although I am currently "Anti-pills", and admittingly I have tried giving my pills in the past to my family because I thought it might help them. Albeit, I wasn't exactly myself.

Nowadays though, I seem to share Rin's outlook:

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And refuse to take any, let alone give them to others. Even the likes of aspirin is undesirable to me.

I also have no clue about that shit, and wouldn't want Miku's death on my conscience.

 

[DeSkel15]

So, does anyone think the "shotacon" is someone else besides Otoha?:

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Because I'm leaning heavily towards Otoha:

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Her "little brother" stuff seems to come up far too often for it not to be her imo.

 

[Kitty Hawk]

So, does anyone think the "shotacon" is someone else besides Otoha?:

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Because I'm leaning heavily towards Otoha:

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Her "little brother" stuff seems to come up far too often for it not to be her imo.

I like your theory, but what is the point of it in the first place?
Like, Sensei will seduce Otoha by roleplaying as her little bro? I don't think that is how that works.
Maybe Maya could screw up her reset prayer and make Sensei younger and herself older. I'd like to see something like that.

 

[blackredfish]

Maybe an unpopular opinion but I wish Maya doesn't make it through the next reset. Some time ago I was dreading this so much... but now knowing the existence of the Wishing Well where everything is stored and that she's proven to be completely unreliable and kind of unnecessary to the way Kumon mi works, I am actually VERY ready for it to happen.

I'd argue that then we would see a more "real" Maya than the "fucked up after a million resets" version. In addition this new (old) Maya with her former personality before the resets could be a catalyst for Akira to having flashback of their time together and so we learn a bit more.

Curious on how Sensei would react, iirc (can't check, on the phone) in the past he said he would miss her but still have sex with the new Maya. Now, he's grown up a little and cares more about her, as well as being warned on what would happen... but he's what he is. I'll give him credit for now being able to turn down sex on occasions (Molly, Imani), maybe that's actual training for the real challenge: having to reject Maya's advances.

I wonder if that could be HOPE's punishment, if Maya is the one he wants Akira to take, this version of her will be another way to coerce him into it.

 

[DeSkel15]

I like your theory, but what is the point of it in the first place?
Like, Sensei will seduce Otoha by roleplaying as her little bro? I don't think that is how that works.
Maybe Maya could screw up her reset prayer and make Sensei younger and herself older. I'd like to see something like that.

Actually, it's related to a potential future Sekai Otoha Connection Theory.

In retrospect, she coincidentally ended up in both Niki's and Sensei's lives, she is Artistic, a Cheater, and possibly a Shotacon just like Sekai, and just like she does for Sekai, Nodoka seems to have an unexplained affinity for Otoha:

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Not to mention, all the seeing Sensei as a little brother stuff while he was technically Sekai's little brother in law.

Strange enough however, unlike Nodoka:

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or Noriko:

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Who have their similarities to Sekai blatantly pointed out, the game seems to ignore Otoha's similarities to her, so far.

Otoha was also presumably the first to find out about her school being swallowed, which I've thought may have been related to Sekai this whole time as well.

Overall: There's something suspicious about Otoha.

Edit: Then again, I could just be reading into things too much.

 

[barglenarglezous]

She's not a bad person but it's pretty evident she's a sub par mother, i've met plenty like her, some part of 'mom-mode' just never activates in their heads so they tend to not think of being proactive about certain things, it needs to be pointed out to them by others and it seems no one has, certainly not her daughter or her adoptive daughter, so it hasn't exactly occurred to her. Consider it a blessing if your mom was/is 5 steps ahead of you in making sure your needs were covered.

She seems to subscribe to the "never force your child to do something they don't want to do" school of thought, and Miku has indicated before that she hates the idea of going to a shrink, so she probably refused and Maki didn't make an issue of it.

After her husband died, I give her a pass on not thinking to get Makoto to therapy. Headspace is all funky during stuff like that, and at a certain point you're in "do the best you can" mode.

 

[Angiboat]

Maybe an unpopular opinion but I wish Maya doesn't make it through the next reset. Some time ago I was dreading this so much... but now knowing the existence of the Wishing Well where everything is stored and that she's proven to be completely unreliable and kind of unnecessary to the way Kumon mi works, I am actually VERY ready for it to happen.

I think it's too late now, to make it really good it should've happened either after the second or third reset.
If it happens now it's gonna be kind of whatever, right? We already got some level of "closure" on Maya's relationship with Sensei and now we got a clearer picture, if it had happened way earlier or at least when Maya didn't make it to the rooftop that one time it could have lead to some very interesting things as we didn't know too much about her at those points.

That and the Halloween courage contest had already foreshadowed it being a possibility, so her being factory reset soon after would have hit even harder since the fear of it happening to her was still fresh.

 

[Angra Shadow]

I think it's too late now, to make it really good it should've happened either after the second or third reset.
If it happens now it's gonna be kind of whatever, right? We already got some level of "closure" on Maya's relationship with Sensei and now we got a clearer picture, if it had happened way earlier or at least when Maya didn't make it to the rooftop that one time it could have lead to some very interesting things as we didn't know too much about her at those points.

That and the Halloween courage contest had already foreshadowed it being a possibility, so her being factory reset soon after would have hit even harder since the fear of it happening to her was still fresh.

I agree. I do think I understand what Sel is going for here though. He probably wants to reset Maya after giving us hope that things between her and Sensei will finally work out, which is what Chapter 3 has been teasing so far. I like that idea from a writing perspective but my problem is that there was no need to have any sort of fake-out at the end of Chapter 2, much less a cliffhanger that lasted many months only to be for nothing. The build up throughout Chapter 2 could have still been there and then Maya shows up for the reset just like usual, and that way her eventual reset would be far more effective because it would come out of nowhere (but the set up for it will have already been there).