Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.54.0] [Selebus]

[Moonflare]

I think there is a brony flag that gets added. There's at least one reference to it, and then a recent one that doesn't need the flag because it happens due to a specific choice for Noriko's lust name. So those are two references already, but I'm pretty sure there are more.

I haven't chosen that line, but URM will be able to show you even if you don't choose it.

 

[CharlotteWiltshire26]

Just read his analysis of "Il Cervo" (included in the FanFest package). That's it.

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Obviously this doesn't answer all that you wrote. And it's not my intention to. I'm just providing a start, if it's anyone's aim to delve deep into what Selebus "is actually writing" vs "how much more amazing things can be made by engaged and intelligent readers". Things are simpler than they appear. And that's fine, LiL is still good.

I mean, "the intention with these is to create a feeling more than anything" is not in any way mutually exclusive with “I still put a lot of thought and detail into these events anyway” – it’s just a matter of *priority*, nothing more, and something being mostly “vibes-based” does not preclude it from still containing a lot great narrative depth (the original FLCL is a good example of this) – but, yes, I get your point. I also remember that you – at least I *think* it was you (my great apologies if it wasn’t) – didn’t really like what he had to say about “Il Cervo” all that much (compared to the similar analysis of intent/execution he made on “Times New Roman”), so I won’t really push this argument any further, since we clearly differ in our perspective on the matter – which is, of course, perfectly okay.

At the end of the day, my schizo brain only really cares about the thematical connections it can make between stuff (whether these connections real or just perceived), and not how these connections came to be (if they even came to be at all). So if a dozen or so years down the line Selebus is going to come clean and admit that he can’t actually write for shit, and that his *actual* process of creating LiL consisted of going outside on the first day of each month, kidnapping a random newborn baby, ritualistically sacrificing it to the God of Stories and then going to sleep and simply copying the dialogue/character plotlines as they came to him in his God-induced visions throughout the rest of the month, and then repeating these exact steps for ten years straight until the story is finally done, I’ll still like both him and Lessons in Love just as much.

Once again, I’m perfectly fine with potentially digging too deep and occasionally seeing things that aren’t actually there, because the alternative of “not seeing things that *are* actually there” is much, much worse, in my opinion – I’ll readily take one over the other.

 

[DeSkel15]

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Something about Sensei being a Brony will probably show up at least once per Chapter.

 

[CharlotteWiltshire26]

As much as I enjoy your in-depth analysis and despite often catching myself in a similar loop of "what if Selebus actually is a genius?", I'm of the opinion that nobody in the world can fake and maintain such a distinctive persona for that long amount of time this reliably.

And if you are still unsure, feel free to read through his private Twitter page, which is not dedicated to LiL and often focuses on very personal and often political topics (also 90% of posts are baseball rants) and all doubt will dissipate in a moment's notice.

Guy's a bit of a dick but he knows how to write. Fair play.
Similarly to the whole discussion of "Would I be friends with one of the characters?", at the end of the day you don't have to personally like or get along with a person to still appreciate them and their work and input and what they bring to the table.

See, the thing about "feel free to read through his private Twitter page" is that I'd actually have to create a Twitter account to do that, and I'd honestly rather drink bleach than ever touch that godforsaken platform – my (already borderline non-existent) self-esteem would never recover from a personal failure *this* big. So I'll just take you at your word and move on with that knowledge.

Aside from that, my general point wasn't "what if Selebus is actually a nice guy deep inside?" but rather "what if there is *more* to his behavior than *just* purely being an asshole?", because I could easily see him channeling that arrogant energy for a properly constructive goal: he *plays up* the persona of a major douchebag, not completely fakes it – which is considerably easier to do and has a much lesser chance of accidentally giving yourself away (*if* my theory is correct, anyway).

And, yeah, even though I am not a huge fan of the Death of the Author, I fully agree with "at the end of the day you don't have to personally like or get along with a person to still appreciate them and their work and input and what they bring to the table"– it was never my intention to argue otherwise. Whether Selebus is a good or a bad person is completely irrelevant to me personally, as I *only* care about the quality of his work and couldn't give less of a shit about anything else.

 

[Moonflare]

Once again, I’m perfectly fine with potentially digging too deep and occasionally seeing things that aren’t actually there, because the alternative of “not seeing things that *are* actually there” is much, much worse, in my opinion –

That's perfectly fine until your tenth dissertation about why Akira's eyes are that way, and linking it to Makoto's eyes after bluejay, and comparing it to when he had perfectly fine gray eyes on the flashback with Niki, and naming them "eyes of the wishing well" out of speculation of how the emergence of these two examples have to do with each other... and dude just comes in and states that "yeah, I just didn't care that much about designing Akira and chose eyes that would communicate that he wasn't right in the head".

I could cite a lot of examples of the same thing happening over the years.

All I'm saying is that I don't think it's a good idea, in the long run, to overcomplicate specific aspects of the plot when he has said time and time again that it's just not that thought out. I've personally learned that the way we're consuming LiL just presents a lot of issues that someone playing it in one go after it's finished won't have. Sure, it's amusing to have discussions about it. But there's a real issue of pacing, of overcomplicating things, of arcs that drag too much, of fucking schedules (with FanFests) - and none of these would exist if I just played it in one go (including, for instance, most of my issues with the Chika arc). But as long as you're having fun, who am I to say anything.

 

[barglenarglezous]

All I'm saying is that I don't think it's a good idea, in the long run, to overcomplicate specific aspects of the plot when he has said time and time again that it's just not that thought out.

My favorite part of theorycrafting this game is having your pet theory be called out in-game as absurd bullshit.

Knowing I got under his skin THAT much? Top ten life moment.

 

[crustlord12]

My favorite part of theorycrafting this game is having your pet theory be called out in-game as absurd bullshit.

Knowing I got under his skin THAT much? Top ten life moment.

Praying that when YumiSex finally happens, you can click her nose and it honks.

 

[shmurfer]

Spoiler: kirin question

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It's brought up for comedy several times as people have pointed out, but what people haven't mentioned is that being a brony is red path. You miss out on a lust event by doing so.

I could cite a lot of examples of the same thing happening over the years.

I'll even bring up my recent go at it. In 0.46, Ami and Niki are at her Christmas concert and Ami basically tells Niki that Akira and her have been fucking, and that he's been fucking most of the girls in his class. In the next update there are a bunch of invite events that Niki is a part of, which is unprecedented breaking away from the "girl + Ami have a sfw event" formula.
I notice some oddities in the Sana virginity event, like Niki breaking Japanese protocol draining the bath water early, and a joke that is either how a smart person would respond to a dumb attempt at changing the subject, or it means Niki is actually a fucking idiot.
I thought Niki listened to Ami and was paying attention to the girls Akira was inviting over, left the two of them alone for a while and saw proof that he was fucking his students, then had to make up an excuse for why there wasn't any bath water in the first place.

Then we get the changelogs that were eventually rearranged due to fanfest, and all of a sudden 0.50 is full of heavy hitter names like something big is going down, I theorized there was going to be a big confrontation (and that it somehow ended with Niki setting up Noriko for the D) that would resolve this plotline and the several chapter long joke of Noriko getting cucked.

Instead when it actually happens, Noriko grows a spine and gets the D basically herself, then Niki catches them fucking by chance (steered by Ami sure, but it was a random event that put them in a private location for this to happen in the first place). It turns out Niki completely ignored everything Ami said in 0.46, she was just randomly around for the invite events in 0.47, and that joke in 0.47 actually meant Niki was a fucking idiot.

That said I haven't fully learned my lesson either. I'm still hoping Otoha gets raped because I think the moment Akira would get thanks to it would resolve Chapter 4 beautifully. (Prime returns on the rooftop with all the other RAS girls surrounding them, Akira rushes to embrace her, some lovely words between them, they share a kiss, screen fades to black, after a while Prime and the others start panicking, we flash to Akira blacking out in Prime's arms with a bunch of panicked girls in the background looking down at them, "Chapter 4 End", and proof that if they had kissed during fireflies he would have been reset.)

 

[TheGoodPastor]

I tend to agree with Moon here but I do wanna point out "I never expected anyone to get Il Cervo" is not the same as "there's no real meaning here". Il Cervo is a lot less abstract in retrospect at this point.

But I do think people tend to overcomplicate or look too deeply into smaller aspects a lot. The colour theory thing is interesting but I don't think there's anything super complicated there, all it really shows for the most part is design consistency.

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Something about Sensei being a Brony will probably show up at least once per Chapter.

There's also an extra line in Kirin's headpats if you take the Brony route lol thought I'd mention it 'cos it seems like something that would be easily overlooked.

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[TheGoodPastor]

It's brought up for comedy several times as people have pointed out, but what people haven't mentioned is that being a brony is red path. You miss out on a lust event by doing so.

No, there's no lust event there. It ends the event ('Politics! Pleasure! Ponies!') early but it doesn't lead into a lust event regardless, both alternative options end with Karin interrupting them almost immediately and nothing happens.

 

[shmurfer]

No, there's no lust event there. It ends the event ('Politics! Pleasure! Ponies!') early but it doesn't lead into a lust event regardless, both alternative options end with Karin interrupting them almost immediately and nothing happens.

Ok I just double checked, technically you're right, but based on this part from telling Noriko to call you Rainbow Dash, Sel thinks you were supposed to miss out on it. The lewd replay just plays the entire event again, it was never properly sectioned off.

 if norikomaster.lower() in ["rainbow dash"]:
        s "I will be known only as Rainbow Dash from this point on."

        scene norikolustnaming42
        with dissolve2

        ki "Oh, you’ve gotta be fucking kidding me."
        n "Rainbow Dash?! The best flier in all of Equestria?! The loyal pegasus pony who clears the skies of Ponyville and never shies away from competition?! {i}That’s{/i} what you want me to call you?!"
        s "I mean, you can do it in fewer words. But yeah, that’s the gist of it."
        ki "You’re {i}seriously{/i} going to enable her pony-fucking fetish, Sensei?"

        if brony == True:
            ki "I’m half-tempted to blueball you again right now."
            s "Please don’t. I’m still missing a replay because of that."

        n "I always knew you’d come around, Onii-ch...sorry! [norikomaster]!"

 

[fooliscious]

Looks like I can't join the LIL discord, did it go private? Must have been kicked out of it at some point.

Is there a way to get the .52 to .53 update? Missed that one since I don't have access to the discord anymore

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

Looks like I can't join the LIL discord, did it go private? Must have been kicked out of it at some point.

Is there a way to get the .52 to .53 update? Missed that one since I don't have access to the discord anymore

Don't worry, you're not the first that got kicked out for mysterious reasons, LiLcord is just a shitshow.

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[fooliscious]

Thanks so much!

 

[BBM62]

Spoiler: Evil twin

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[shmurfer]

Spoiler: Evil twin

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Shiori Shiawase


Nozomu Arakawa

 

[BBM62]

Hm... I am not familiar with those names, so i assume those are future spoilers (i.e. their last names)
Nozomu was mentioned as a god a few times in earier Happy events, but that's more or less it.

 

[TheGoodPastor]

Hm... I am not familiar with those names, so i assume those are future spoilers (i.e. their last names)
Nozomu was mentioned as a god a few times in earier Happy events, but that's more or less it.

Nozomu is also the name of Sensei's brother - not really a spoiler so much as it's just easy to miss early on, it's on the tombstone along with Sekai's.

Shiori you'll find out about later if you're not caught up, yeah, so don't worry about it.

 

[Sprungler]

Also fuck Selebus (but that's probably my default response at this point). Let's see where we go from this mess.

Why do people hate Selly so much?

 

[BBM62]

Hate is a strong word, but not entirely an incorrect one.
Mostly a general sentiment for putting his characters through too much shit.