Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.54.0] [Selebus]

[Moonflare]

Does anyone know if this game has ntr in it I'm trying to find a good ntr game

It does have cheating, but not enough to classify as an ntr game. Also, the mc tends to be the active cheater when it's happening.

Spoiler: recommendations

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*Not recommending this last one, but "Inn my wife" has an amazing title

when I reread "There is nothing", we can write names "HOPE" and "USER1" for the cool rectangle machine, but why are they separate, if they are the same? Is it just for Happy Scene?

You can write both because they're for different things. HOPE unlocks the Happy Scene (but there's no call to connect to it, I think it's more that you recall something), while the correct answer for the USER is USER 2. If you write USER1:

Spoiler: there is nothing

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If you want to take this as evidence that HOPE and USER1 are different things, that's valid. But it just doesn't seem to be the case from the amount of evidence that they're the same thing.

and NTR certainly isn't a focal point narratively speaking.

Other than 75% of the protagonist's trauma being from the dynamic of him being cucked by his prior abuser (Nozomu) abusing his current one (Sekai), when she was not grooming him.

 

[Jackie718]

It does have cheating, but not enough to classify as an ntr game. Also, the mc tends to be the active cheater when it's happening.

Spoiler: recommendations

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*Not recommending this last one, but "Inn my wife" has an amazing title

You can write both because they're for different things. HOPE unlocks the Happy Scene (but there's no call to connect to it, I think it's more that you recall something), while the correct answer for the USER is USER 2. If you write USER1:

Spoiler: there is nothing

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If you want to take this as evidence that HOPE and USER1 are different things, that's valid. But it just doesn't seem to be the case from the amount of evidence that they're the same thing.

Other than 75% of the protagonist's trauma being from the dynamic of him being cucked by his prior abuser (Nozomu) abusing his current one (Sekai), when she was not grooming him.

Thank you so much for the recommendation moonflare you are incredible

 

[Not_NuDos]

If you want to take this as evidence that HOPE and USER1 are different things, that's valid. But it just doesn't seem to be the case from the amount of evidence that they're the same thing.

Thanks, and I agree with you. I just think it's strange. (Although I cannot fully understand why Yasu considers that "red colour" is bad, if it is the colour of her god.)

Spoiler: Etinsib Ziwa & The Book of Colors

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In addition, are Pareidolia and Concerned the same entity? Usually, Pareidolia has an indifferent emoji face:

Spoiler: "Face" of Pareidolia

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However, in the beginning of Chapter 4, we see the "face" of Concerned:

Spoiler: On the Count of Three

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Although they both have a similar manner of speaking.

 

[CharlotteWiltshire26]

Thanks, and I agree with you. I just think it's strange. (Although I cannot fully understand why Yasu considers that "red colour" is bad, if it is the colour of her god.)

Spoiler: Etinsib Ziwa & The Book of Colors

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In addition, are Pareidolia and Concerned the same entity? Usually, Pareidolia has an indifferent emoji face:

Spoiler: "Face" of Pareidolia

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However, in the beginning of Chapter 4, we see the "face" of Concerned:

Spoiler: On the Count of Three

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Although they both have a similar manner of speaking.

In regards to your first point, just to clarify, HOPE’s main divine symbols/attributes are, in no particular order:

Spoiler: HOPE's symbology

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That’s pretty much all of them, provided I haven’t missed anything among my pages upon pages of notes. So, as you can see, aside from HOPE’s smile – and *maybe* the whole three-colored moon business relating to how red/green/blue appear to individually symbolize each member of the Trinity, though none of this is in any way conclusive as of right now – HOPE isn’t really associated with red the way you seem to believe he is, or at least not to the same extent as all of his other attributes.

You know who *is* strongly associated with the color red, though? Sekai. An entity who is very much *not* on HOPE’s side (judging from Yasu’s reaction in “Fruits of Torment”) – and that’s not even touching upon whatever the fuck was going on between them while they were both still alive, since we know that Nozomu had a habit of frequently beating (and maybe even raping, if that’s what that one part of “Second Sun” was alluding to) Sekai, while she clearly despised the guy for what he had done to Akira and only stayed married to him for Akira’s sake (or otherwise due to currently undisclosed reasons). Thus, “red is bad”, indeed.

And, yes, Pareidolia is the third God, the “concerned” one: he repeatedly states so himself during many of his appearances throughout the game, like when he takes control of Terminal 23 in “Trinity Pt. III: Non Est Deus”, or in “Friends”, where he responds with “I was far too concerned” when Akira asks why Pareidolia always refused to leave him alone prior to that point. The “changing faces” thing is just something that he randomly does in early Chapter 4, likely just exercising his newfound freedom as the one in charge by flexing his powers over perception (since that’s kinda his whole thing), before eventually getting bored of it and going back to how he originally looked – I believe there is even a scene where this is directly said, but I couldn’t quickly find it, sorry.

 

[Not_NuDos]

Thank you very much. I understand that I need to reread LiL again, focusing on the divine part.

Also, what are the main attributes of other gods (Wires and Pareidolia)?

 

[Moonflare]

I'd recommend you don't, actually. Reason being that everything divine (from up until chapter 4) is pretty much up in the air as to its relevance.

I could probably write a dissertation here on all that we've discussed regarding gods from the initial chapters, but recently everything has been evidenced as potentially just being either misdirection or outright lies. Just read the story and wait a bit for the god stuff to be revealed is my suggestion.

If you do replay the game, I'd rather recommend you focus on either Ami, Maya or Himawari. But especially Ami. Kaori's a good one as well, but to a minor extent.

 

[JelF547]

I could probably write a dissertation here on all that we've discussed regarding gods from the initial chapters, but recently everything has been evidenced as potentially just being either misdirection or outright lies. Just read the story and wait a bit for the god stuff to be revealed is my suggestion.

LiL community in a nutshell: instead of being happy for being able to actually test our theories, we duck whenever such possibility is present

I never got invested into divine fuckery, but the best moment to actually build something there is now (i.e. post-0.53)

PS this hat is awesome lol

 

[CharlotteWiltshire26]

Thank you very much. I understand that I need to reread LiL again, focusing on the divine part.

Also, what are the main attributes of other gods (Wires and Pareidolia)?

For Tenchou it’s:

Spoiler: Tenchou's symbology

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As for Pareidolia, being shifty and untrustworthy as fuck about anything he does is his entire M.O – with him being on the record of potentially impersonating the other members of the Trinity and whatnot, not to mention whatever the hell happened at the end of 0.44 with his apparent sacrifice (which instead resulted in Tenchou’s deletion, while this fucking guy just relocated into Yumi’s head and has been chilling inside her for almost a year at this point) – but the few things that we *do* know are related to him are:

Spoiler: Pareidolia's symbology

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Spoiler: Mixed symbols

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And I’m going to express the exact opposite opinion to the one Moonflare gave earlier and say that, from my perspective, nothing that has been revealed recently really contradicts or negates any of the earlier stuff, so if you’re someone who finds this theological/mystical side of LiL especially engaging, you absolutely *should* replay the entire VN from the very beginning and pay a lot more attention to all of the divine-related scenes this time around – I did it (three times), and, personally speaking, it was 100% worth it. Or, if not, then, sure: waiting for a few months/years for the entire picture to become much more cohesive and clearly defined is *also* something that you can do.

 

[crustlord12]

instead of being happy for being able to actually test our theories, we duck whenever such possibility is present

For me, it's just the fact that it's tiresome to try and figure out what he meant as a planned misdirection, what was a retcon, and what was a genuine error due to lack of planning.

I've been playing through the game again and I'm midway through chapter 2 and I kind of wish I kept track of plotlines introduced in events that just get dropped or never resolved because it feels like there's a surprising amount, and this isn't even taking into consideration all the god stuff.

 

[John Smith V]

For me, it's just the fact that it's tiresome to try and figure out what he meant as a planned misdirection, what was a retcon, and what was a genuine error due to lack of planning.

I've been playing through the game again and I'm midway through chapter 2 and I kind of wish I kept track of plotlines introduced in events that just get dropped or never resolved because it feels like there's a surprising amount, and this isn't even taking into consideration all the god stuff.

I have had the same thoughts. Confusion was an ingredient that was overused.

 

[Detective Dc345]

Sel and the case of the disappearing preview again. The few people who saw it say it was a bunch of clocks.

Addon: The preview that vanished maybe in relation to a Rin Happy/TSS event. She already stated she could hear the clocks in Chapter 1. Could we actually be getting some Rin lore that's been 5 years overdue??

 

[SlidingSubject]

Sel and the case of the disappearing preview again. The few people who saw it say it was a bunch of clocks.

Will Sel speedrun TSS and Happy events in this one interval between resets?

 

[Detective Dc345]

Will Sel speedrun TSS and Happy events in this one interval between resets?

Sel did say every member of the main cast will have a TSS event. So I would have to imagine he has to squeeze them all in before Chapter 4's end.

 

[blackredfish]

For me, it's just the fact that it's tiresome to try and figure out what he meant as a planned misdirection, what was a retcon, and what was a genuine error due to lack of planning.

Yeah, and an unnecessary effort most of the time, as well. Sel has proved that whenever he wants us to really understand something, he's very much on the nose. Like Nodoka telling us about the existence of multiple worlds, one on the top of each other. Something that was previously mentioned in the game, almost literally. But how were we supposed to pick that one up among all the gibberish he wrote? He knows this, hence why he needs a semi omniscient character saying in front of our faces what's the shit that sticks.

So, my view on this is: if you have a big brain and like to speculate about every single thing and coming up with theories, by all means go have fun. The game will give you plenty of opportunities to do so. And if you are a dummy like me, and sometimes you are afraid of this story being too complex for you... don't worry, major plot points will be spoonfed to you, and all the complexity is just about the feelings you get out of it, as he said recently.

LiL community in a nutshell

Also, you are wrong. I actually have an in depth analysis to prove it. Proceed with caution because it's VERY BIG

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[Reonoss]

Sel did say every member of the main cast will have a TSS event. So I would have to imagine he has to squeeze them all in before Chapter 4's end.

I don't think it will be a "squeeze" since we got a lot more content in Ch4 still.

 

[Detective Dc345]

Spoiler: 0.55 Preview

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Spoiler: Sel on Rin

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[Moonflare]

the level of lore in the lilcord is depressing.

It's quite established that Rin heard the clocks after getting rejected by Chika, and that she dreamt of pursuing reality after reality until finding one where they're together. Any regular here would at least know the clocks bit.

 

[Bingoogus]

Also, you are wrong. I actually have an in depth analysis to prove it. Proceed with caution because it's VERY BIG

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[Detective Dc345]

the level of lore in the lilcord is depressing.

It's quite established that Rin heard the clocks after getting rejected by Chika, and that she dreamt of pursuing reality after reality until finding one where they're together. Any regular here would at least know the clocks bit.

There have been numerous times where Sel has got fed and had to come out and clairify. Especially after 0.53 released. At least over here we pretty much get the point that Sel tries to get across. The supply for Bingoogus' dunce caps wouldn't meet the demand in LiLcord

 

[Detective Dc345]

Spoiler: More reiteration from Sel

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