Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.55.0] [Selebus]

[VoidExile]

I want to make this clear right now. If you see or READ about a character being raped by another man, PLEASE let me know who it happened to and when, FUCK spoilers, I don't care, I need to prepare myself for that shit. Think you should also clarify if the male cums inside, because that's as bad as it can get on an ntr scale for me.
Another thing to note, although not that important is that the amount I care depends on whether the character/victim is a nice and kind person or not.

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What do you even mean by "that comes later"? You can't just throw that out there and then not elaborate. Is it in the game yet? How bad is it? What's the event name and whose is it?

If this is triggering your NTR alarms, there's at least 4 more scenes coming up that will do so too. There's been a ton of NTR debate in recent updates and people will even start groaning because I've used those words in this post it was that in depth and exhausting.
The big thing it comes down to is none of them is an unexcusable NTR moment, which I'd define as one of the girls finding another guy to fuck, not be raped by. We'd ask for the tag the moment a scene like that appears, and we're specifically avoiding it due to the audience merely having that tag attracts who would honestly be pissed off at the game having that tag in its current state, currently at all. And if the game reaches the point where the tag is valid, the amount of non cuckery they'd have to do to reach that point would piss them off. We can only hope Selebus understands this, because it would also threaten his bottom line, and that's what he cares about.
Everything else comes down to debate.

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After all that delightful chatting, back to business

Spoiler: minor void post, the ntr debate is much longer

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And of course people are laughing in the reactions...

 

[Budoop]

Yeah its a really nasty scene, I don't feel its horrific excess makes it any more compelling either.
You could take away the rape and it would be just as telling to her chr.

In fact she seems almost completely unbothered by the sexual aussalt part, and only focusses on the burns.

 

[shmurfer]

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I wasn't trying to go too hard on you. It was about as complete of a summary of the NTR debates as I could remember, and lampooning the arguments while doing so as to why there hasn't been consensus on "Does the game contain NTR" I'd say no, but I'd say Sel is intentionally flirting with the line for drama's sake.

The second vague example I provided(girl in chair) I would call actual rape (and I'm here saying Stomachache wasn't rape for comparison, statutory aside I guess), but story wise it doesn't end up with the kind of feelings you'd expect of a real rape between a perp and a victim. And it has lore implications once you start overthinking it. The others have enough shenanigans around it that I wouldn't hold it against them.
And if your real problem is someone in 'power' raping someone who's too meek to do anything about it, 3 will rub you the wrong way even if a lawyer would argue extenuating circumstances.

Other than that, there is no competing presence in the time loops that's having sex with anyone at the human level, so I can't say there's anything I'd call actual NTR in the game.
If you consider Nozomu, the horny ball of light to also be HOPE, the god that's been in charge of Summer so far then there's some level of male having sex with girls you'd have sex with. But it's hard to treat the actions of a world admitted horny god in the world's backrooms like a sexual rival.
On that point HOPE has had Akira in a sex machine..... And there's an up and coming theory that Nozomu the husband of Sekai might have also diddled shota sensei. But I don't think that theory is robust enough just yet.

 

[Budoop]

The second vague example I provided(girl in chair) I would call actual rape (and I'm here saying Stomachache wasn't rape for comparison, statutory aside I guess), but story wise it doesn't end up with the kind of feelings you'd expect of a real rape between a perp and a victim. And it has lore implications once you start overthinking it. The others have enough shenanigans around it that I wouldn't hold it against them.
And if your real problem is someone in 'power' raping someone who's too meek to do anything about it, 3 will rub you the wrong way even if a lawyer would argue extenuating circumstances.

Yeah I dont think you can call rape an act of cheating either.
She obviously didn't want that.

 

[LoveWhiteHairedGirl]

From what update the NTR topic become so valid? I am tired of scrolling through these messages just to skip them.

 

[Bingoogus]

From what update the NTR topic become so valid? I am tired of scrolling through these messages just to skip them.

The topic is inescapable, even in a game where no player should be projecting onto the MC, one where he is very much a character not the self insert for the player... you still have the horridly insecure screaming the end of days at the mere notion of someone having sex when they themselves did not click a button saying 'i give these characters permission to have sex'.

You will never escape it, as sexual insecurity is as common as bread.

 

[Apollo259]

Spoiler: Dorm Wars

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Maybe this is Selebus's chance to canonize Clown Yumi. A clown contest between Yumi and Touka might be funny. I can't imagine either of them being very good at it so there is probably room for something silly to go down. A cream pie throwing challenge component maybe...just so the obvious joke can be made.

 

[TBone9]

Those who fear AI fear the future.

I for one welcome our new AI overlords.

 

[Budoop]

Maybe this is Selebus's chance to canonize Clown Yumi. A clown contest between Yumi and Touka might be funny. I can't imagine either of them being very good at it so there is probably room for something silly to go down. A cream pie throwing challenge component maybe...just so the obvious joke can be made.

Actual mega brain play, lets all make discord alts and make clown yumi canon.

 

[jh87]

Actual mega brain play, lets all make discord alts and make clown yumi canon.

They want you to verify your phone number for that channel and none of the free services I tried worked

 

[Budoop]

They want you to verify your phone number for that channel and none of the free services I tried worked

You fucking what
Hmm yes let me verify my phone number in a game where you fuck high schoolers.

 

[Deleted member 6877248]

You fucking what
Hmm yes let me verify my phone number in a game where you fuck high schoolers.

Alongside a high probability of lolis too.

 

[hcguy]

I want to make this clear right now. If you see or READ about a character being raped by another man, PLEASE let me know who it happened to and when, FUCK spoilers, I don't care, I need to prepare myself for that shit. Think you should also clarify if the male cums inside, because that's as bad as it can get on an ntr scale for me.

I'm sorry - why is it everyone else's responsibility to protect your delicate sensibilities?

 

[fdsasdf_p]

It's time for the fanart post again, bringing you some of the newest ones:

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As always, I can't bring everything here, so I encourage you to visit the

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and see what I missed.

Also, someone asked about wallpapers a while ago, and I forgot to comment that there are some wallpapers that I use from wallpaper engine. So if you also have that app, I recommend taking a look at their library:

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I can’t believe this; did someone out there seriously make a LiL version of The Last of Pompeii? Fucking legendary

 

[shmurfer]

I'm sorry - why is it everyone else's responsibility to protect your delicate sensibilities?

Some content is a deal breaker and that's what they're asking for. Just ignore them if it's a problem.

Need I bring up NTR again?

 

[jh87]

You fucking what
Hmm yes let me verify my phone number in a game where you fuck high schoolers.

Yeah idk.

If you open the Lil discord you only get access to a channel where you need to react with an emoji to get unlocked, but discord requires a phone/sms verification.
I tried some sites I found that offer free numbers, since I don't want to feed discord my data, but that didn't work.

 

[crustlord12]

But also: his story is fuckin bonkers, too long, full of unneeded things to complicate it, and all wrapped together under the veneer that it's "intelligent" and you're dumb for not understanding it. "Just read bro" IT'S BEEN FUCKIN YEARS MAN I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO REMEMBER SHIT THAT WAS SAID IN PASSING 5 YEARS AGO

The "more words than the Bible" is not quite the flex he wants it to be. Taking 10,000 words to describe a scenario where 1,000 would work just as well doesn't make you a better writer, after all (forced example but you know what I mean).

 

[Noob Gamer Loves Everyone]

The "more words than the Bible" is not quite the flex he wants it to be. Taking 10,000 words to describe a scenario where 1,000 would work just as well doesn't make you a better writer, after all (forced example but you know what I mean).

There is a good word for that kind of stuff. Графоман. Being графоман was never considered as a good thing. Less is more. Not everyone needs to be Tolstoy and even then, Tolstoy is overrated, no one actually knows what he wrote, everyone just remembers that "tree" description and that pretty much it

 

[daagagsdgd]

There is a good word for that kind of stuff. Графоман. Being графоман was never considered as a good thing. Less is more. Not everyone needs to be Tolstoy and even then, Tolstoy is overrated, no one actually knows what he wrote, everyone just remembers that "tree" description and that pretty much it

Hey don't you forget magnificent and tranquil heaven seen by Prince Bolkonsky on bloody battlefield with some insignificant Napoleon at side.

 

[VoidExile]

I'm sorry - why is it everyone else's responsibility to protect your delicate sensibilities?

When in that message did I DEMAND you to tell me?

I wasn't trying to go too hard on you. It was about as complete of a summary of the NTR debates as I could remember, and lampooning the arguments while doing so as to why there hasn't been consensus on "Does the game contain NTR" I'd say no, but I'd say Sel is intentionally flirting with the line for drama's sake.

The second vague example I provided(girl in chair) I would call actual rape (and I'm here saying Stomachache wasn't rape for comparison, statutory aside I guess), but story wise it doesn't end up with the kind of feelings you'd expect of a real rape between a perp and a victim. And it has lore implications once you start overthinking it. The others have enough shenanigans around it that I wouldn't hold it against them.
And if your real problem is someone in 'power' raping someone who's too meek to do anything about it, 3 will rub you the wrong way even if a lawyer would argue extenuating circumstances.

Other than that, there is no competing presence in the time loops that's having sex with anyone at the human level, so I can't say there's anything I'd call actual NTR in the game.
If you consider Nozomu, the horny ball of light to also be HOPE, the god that's been in charge of Summer so far then there's some level of male having sex with girls you'd have sex with. But it's hard to treat the actions of a world admitted horny god in the world's backrooms like a sexual rival.
On that point HOPE has had Akira in a sex machine..... And there's an up and coming theory that Nozomu the husband of Sekai might have also diddled shota sensei. But I don't think that theory is robust enough just yet.

Yeah, I don't think it's non statutory rape either as you said. She gave verbal permission, didn't struggle or call it off despite him giving her multiple chances.
I don't know if you read the first section of that message addressing everyone, but as long as it's not a man(triggering my rivalry and distrust) raping one of the romanceable characters(+ all main and side girls), it should be fine.
That last example in your original comment with the happy event or whatever and blackmail sounds highly concerning to me as it's worded in a way that makes it sound just as bad as Imani's case.