Ren'Py Life's Payback [v1.3] [Vinkawa]

[Vinkawa]

so what you think about sharing your girls with other girls then dev? the new tag system is still not here after all this damn time... if you insist on pushing that "sharing" with girls then you should remove harem tag until polyamory tag comes in. putting sharing tag for this game as well.

please know the difference between polyamory (mc with girls around him sharing each other with themselves) with harem (mc gets multiple girls, who all agree to share him and exclusively be into him)

Alright guys, I was in a rush when I wrote my last answer, so I might have sounded a bit uncaring in my last message.

I understand the necessity of being perfectly accurate, since it is very frustrating to download a game based on the tags and witness that the game does deliver what you expected.

I know this because one day I came across a game on this website and I saw a thumbnail of a guy taking a huge dick in his ass because the dev didn't consider "Futa on male" as gay, so my excluded tags didn't save me.

Considering your two definitions, I'd say I prefer harem over polyamory, I wish I could make an exception for a character, but I understand that the tags indeed need to be accurate, so I'm not adding sharing any time soon.

 

[GrogGuy]

I'm pretty sure the harem tag fits based off the site's descriptions for the tags.

Here's this site's definition of the new tags:
https://f95zone.to/sam/planned_tags-v2.html

Harem:
"A non-monogamous relationship centered around the protagonist being loved by at least two more people. Sex with outsiders is allowed as long as the core dynamic is not affected"

Polyamory:
"The protagonist and at least two other people are in an equal, simultaneous relationship with each other. Not to be confused with Harem"

The only difference in the tags is the former is a relationship "centered around the protagonist" while the latter "an equal, simultaneous relationship".

I get that expecting something and finding something else is frustrating, but those tag definitions are so vague, any complaints are probably better redirected at the people defining the tags rather than individual devs.

 

[Lerd0]

I'm pretty sure the harem tag fits based off the site's descriptions for the tags.

..it does....
..but ppl go by their own definitions....and they all have different ones....so trynna please all of them becomes a bit of a mess......
..still hopin new tag system does happen someday........

 

[TKdropemoff]

I'm pretty sure the harem tag fits based off the site's descriptions for the tags.

Here's this site's definition of the new tags:
https://f95zone.to/sam/planned_tags-v2.html

Harem:
"A non-monogamous relationship centered around the protagonist being loved by at least two more people. Sex with outsiders is allowed as long as the core dynamic is not affected"

Polyamory:
"The protagonist and at least two other people are in an equal, simultaneous relationship with each other. Not to be confused with Harem"

The only difference in the tags is the former is a relationship "centered around the protagonist" while the latter "an equal, simultaneous relationship".

I get that expecting something and finding something else is frustrating, but those tag definitions are so vague, any complaints are probably better redirected at the people defining the tags rather than individual devs.

if these people actually got on this and hurry up and implement the new tags that was discussed about 2 years ago or so, people can have a easier time finding what they want, it would save devs, and people a headace.

Like I can see the "protagonist centric/Harem tag being a fan favorite for alot of players, like myself.

sigh...

We can wish right?

But not going to go far off topic...

 

[sanshisan]

Will 0.4 have Laura titfuck and assjob scenes? Assjob as in, stick your dick between her asscheeks like its a titfuck. I must know.

 

[Vinkawa]

Will 0.4 have Laura titfuck and assjob scenes? Assjob as in, stick your dick between her asscheeks like its a titfuck. I must know.

I'm never giving spoilers about the next version except the poll winner, sorry man.
I like to read changelogs when a release comes out, and I want people to get that same feeling of satisfaction.

 

[sanshisan]

I'm never giving spoilers about the next version except the poll winner, sorry man.
I like to read changelogs when a release comes out, and I want people to get that same feeling of satisfaction.

No worries bro, very based and reasonable. I wait until the release is out then but I do expect you to deliver quality work considering how good the game is and all. Not only that, but you seem to actually put out work fast, which makes waiting for 0.5 and further more exciting.

At some point after development has stopped and you moved on to wherever the fuck you want you should consider releasing all the Koikatsu models and assets you made to the public as one last final thanks.

 

[Vinkawa]

No worries bro, very based and reasonable. I wait until the release is out then but I do expect you to deliver quality work considering how good the game is and all. Not only that, but you seem to actually put out work fast, which makes waiting for 0.5 and further more exciting.

At some point after development has stopped and you moved on to wherever the fuck you want you should consider releasing all the Koikatsu models and assets you made to the public as one last final thanks.

I'm very glad to read that you liked the game so far.

Sadly, I don't think the model/asset release can happen. Apparently, half of the models I've found for free belong to creators who sell them, even though I searched in safe places like the official Koikatsu Discord, precisely to avoid being in conflict with anyone.
I will mention their names in the credits, but I can't be the one leaking them, I hope you understand.

Now yeah, the other half has been heavily modified from a legacy base, so you can only find them in my game, and for those I will consider releasing them if the game is a success, but I only have around 150 days to make that game successful (the deadline shouldn't be a problem anyway because if it's not successful after 150 days I don't see why it would be after 300 days).
You can find the explanation by clicking the image below, it's a public post :

You must be registered to see the links

 

[sanshisan]

...I only have around 150 days to make that game successful...

Very interesting post but it proses the question about how long you've already been working on the game, and how long the these 150 days have been chipped off from already.

I mean if you save up money to spend time for full-time development for 150 days but you've already been working 130, that means its only 20 days left. I hope you get what I mean. Same with actually earning money, if you have 150 left, but you earn money that you can at least partially keep developing, does that mean you switch to part-time development?

Gonna support you but I want to wait for 0.4 first to see how that goes.

 

[Degenerate9000]

I'm very glad to read that you liked the game so far.

Sadly, I don't think the model/asset release can happen. Apparently, half of the models I've found for free belong to creators who sell them, even though I searched in safe places like the official Koikatsu Discord, precisely to avoid being in conflict with anyone.
I will mention their names in the credits, but I can't be the one leaking them, I hope you understand.

Now yeah, the other half has been heavily modified from a legacy base, so you can only find them in my game, and for those I will consider releasing them if the game is a success, but I only have around 150 days to make that game successful (the deadline shouldn't be a problem anyway because if it's not successful after 150 days I don't see why it would be after 300 days).
You can find the explanation by clicking the image below, it's a public post :

You must be registered to see the links

god if only more devs were like you, such a breath of fresh air, good luck!

 

[Vinkawa]

Very interesting post but it proses the question about how long you've already been working on the game, and how long the these 150 days have been chipped off from already.

I mean if you save up money to spend time for full-time development for 150 days but you've already been working 130, that means its only 20 days left. I hope you get what I mean. Same with actually earning money, if you have 150 left, but you earn money that you can at least partially keep developing, does that mean you switch to part-time development?

Gonna support you but I want to wait for 0.4 first to see how that goes.

I had 170 days when I started the game, I made the v0.1 in about 20 days :
- 3 days for quest, navigation system, User Interace, and think about a story
- 5 days of prospecting the best models and animation creators
- 7 days of heavily modifying certain characters and adapting some animations to match my characters's bodies (which was what I spent the most time on, because trying to adapt people's animation really is a pain in the ass. MC's dick is way bigger, so several mouth bones had to be modified and animated for BJs, for example, and my characters tits and asses are way bigger too, the height is not the same, and especially because they don't make loops, so I needed a level of "engineering" to predict the next keyframes to setup to stop an animation at some point so it makes it loop when it starts over. All that shits lead me to consider making my own animations instead)
- 5 days to make my own animations

To conclude, I really have 150 days left. And these 150 days are not something coming from my ass if anyone's wondering, it's actually the number of days left before my financial aid from the government stops and forces me to find a new job (I'm living with my savings + the little help from the government atm).

Anyway, thanks for saying you'd consider supporting the game.

god if only more devs were like you, such a breath of fresh air, good luck!

 

[sanshisan]

Explaining things

I don't question you but you're almost at v0.4, surely more days have passed between 0.1 to 0.3.2 and today if you get what I mean. But you seem to work fast, even if its less than 150 days and just 120 days at the time of writing this I don't mind since you work hella fast.

So I just checked the patreon and you released 0.1 during 19th june, which makes sense since you also made this thread one day prior. which means you still have around 129 days or so left to work on full time. Which is great because people can expect updates at a steady pace as it only took around 2 weeks from 0.1 to 0.3.2. So overall, the way you approach this sounds good to me, stellar progress so far my guy.

Nothing against you its just so many people have been burnt out by developers releasing things quickly and then taking months of time just for an update that someone of your caliber would merely spend days on. So props to you since you already make 98% of western devs look like absolute imbeciles. Keep up the good work.

 

[Vinkawa]

I don't question you but you're almost at v0.4, surely more days have passed between 0.1 to 0.3.2 and today if you get what I mean. But you seem to work fast, even if its less than 150 days and just 120 days at the time of writing this I don't mind since you work hella fast.

So I just checked the patreon and you released 0.1 during 19th june, which makes sense since you also made this thread one day prior. which means you still have around 129 days or so left to work on full time. Which is great because people can expect updates at a steady pace as it only took around 2 weeks from 0.1 to 0.3.2. So overall, the way you approach this sounds good to me, stellar progress so far my guy.

Damn you're right I totally forgot to substract the days starting from v0.1, I'm a huge braindead

Anyway, thanks for the kinds words, yeah I think the fast pace should allow me to have a very advanced game once I reach the deadline, so if it hasn't worked at this point, the responsibility is mine.

 

[Kramsz]

This game has some nice potential but a few issues. Another small MC with a femboy body getting beat up by women which is always disappointing. Maybe it's just me, but the trope of girl goes to gym therefore can (and does) beat up men is one of my least favorites. Especially since all she does is run on the treadmill as if that turns her in to some world class fighter. This is more of a personal gripe than a criticism of the quality of the game though.
My real criticism is the sandbox grinding is too much, being forced to repeat events that have zero variance over and over isn't fun. At all. It adds nothing but annoyance. A little grinding is ok but right now the game just consists of holding skip and clicking all over until you get to the next event. I'm not a sandbox hater in general, but too much clicking is bad, and when that clicking is 99% getting through things you've already seen it's just annoying. My other pretty minor complaint is the name of the catgirl. Why even have the the whole she has no name thing if we can't pick her name? Even if we can't, why some plain normal name like Nina? MC put zero thought into it and picked a completely normal name. What was even the point? And how is she a student with no name? Maybe there's a reason we players just don't know yet but seemed like a pointless sequence.

Ok so on to the positives. The MC is supposed to be angry, and mostly stays that way. Too many revenge/badguy/pissed at the world style stories quickly devolve in to MC being nice and loving to everyone. I don't really get the dynamic with Alice and the MC, but other than that he's pretty consistent in his attitude. The girls all look nice, animations have work put in to them. I enjoy the music, though it seems like lewd scenes turn it off, and it only restarts after certain actions or sleeping. Seems like a certain scene involving giving Anna wine can happen sooner than intended but outside of that I didn't notice any event continuity issues. Overall you have a potential gem on your hands but it needs some polish for sure.

About the question of sharing. Personally I don't think you should ever be forced to share a LI in a harem game with anyone. Optional is fine as long as it's not presented as the girls just being flat out horny for each other. Threesomes with the girls touching each other is ok IMO as long as the girls are mainly there for the MC. I also really dislike the "help me bang one of your girls and I'll bang you too" and similar tropes, so would hopefully like to avoid that. If it's optional though, and the interested woman doesn't hold it against you if you tell her no it's not something I'd care about.

 

[Vinkawa]

This game has some nice potential but a few issues. Another small MC with a femboy body getting beat up by women which is always disappointing. Maybe it's just me, but the trope of girl goes to gym therefore can (and does) beat up men is one of my least favorites. Especially since all she does is run on the treadmill as if that turns her in to some world class fighter. This is more of a personal gripe than a criticism of the quality of the game though.

Hi man, thanks for the feedback.
The only woman who was able to beat the MC's ass is Laura so the plural of "women" isn't necessary here (I'm not playing on this ground but I don't wan't people who haven't played yet to portray him as everyone's victim).
I wasn't gonna make a muscular MC considering the story, I don't see the issue when the guy's been working and playing on his PC for the past years while she was exercising, his testosterone level won't make any difference here.
Anyway, I need a corruption/revenge plot for a dozen characters, so it's fine to let me setup one like this, right ? (anyway the character's content is avoidable)

I know it's "more of a personal gripe than a criticism of the quality of the game", but I wanted to give an explanation.
It might not suit everyone's taste but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want the MC to have the same scheme of corruption/blackmail/revenge for everyone.

My real criticism is the sandbox grinding is too much, being forced to repeat events that have zero variance over and over isn't fun. At all. It adds nothing but annoyance. A little grinding is ok but right now the game just consists of holding skip and clicking all over until you get to the next event. I'm not a sandbox hater in general, but too much clicking is bad, and when that clicking is 99% getting through things you've already seen it's just annoying.

I get your point with the zero variance, but I've only released two major updates, and imo you could have saluted the fact that the dialogue isn't the same for the first trigger and when the event is repeated. That might sound irrelevant, but I've played most of sandboxes here and I didn't see anyone bothering to do that while I did.

Now yeah, there are not a lot of ways to raise influence points, and only a few scenes have several angles so it's hard not to be stuck in a loop, but it's the v0.3, I'm solo dev and have already been delivering more content in 3 weeks than some popular devs in 6 months with the same engine, so you can guess the grinding issue will be fixed pretty soon.

For now, I could divide everyone's grinding by 2, but between rushed and grindy until I add more ways to raise influence points, I prefered the latter, because it's hard to know who to please at the moment, a guy could come and say "You get too easily into character's panties, it's bullshit".

But as you're reading this, I mentioned everyone in my Discord, and if a majority agrees, I'll divide all the grinding by 2.

My other pretty minor complaint is the name of the catgirl. Why even have the the whole she has no name thing if we can't pick her name? Even if we can't, why some plain normal name like Nina? MC put zero thought into it and picked a completely normal name. What was even the point? And how is she a student with no name? Maybe there's a reason we players just don't know yet but seemed like a pointless sequence.

I didn't know picking a name was a thing, but hey, The v0.4 is released in two days and I'll make her name pickable for this version just for you, you see how kind I am ?
But beware if you call her "slut" or "whore", I'll personnally make the script identify this and delete all your files.

Ok so on to the positives. The MC is supposed to be angry, and mostly stays that way. Too many revenge/badguy/pissed at the world style stories quickly devolve in to MC being nice and loving to everyone. I don't really get the dynamic with Alice and the MC, but other than that he's pretty consistent in his attitude. The girls all look nice, animations have work put in to them. I enjoy the music, though it seems like lewd scenes turn it off, and it only restarts after certain actions or sleeping. Seems like a certain scene involving giving Anna wine can happen sooner than intended but outside of that I didn't notice any event continuity issues. Overall you have a potential gem on your hands but it needs some polish for sure.

Damn, finally some good news


Yeah I turn the music off for most of lewd scenes, I don't want the MC corrupting/blackmailing a character while there's a happy/motivation themed music in the background.

And yeah, my bad for the Anna's scene sooner than intended, I fixed it for v0.4

About the question of sharing. Personally I don't think you should ever be forced to share a LI in a harem game with anyone. Optional is fine as long as it's not presented as the girls just being flat out horny for each other. Threesomes with the girls touching each other is ok IMO as long as the girls are mainly there for the MC. I also really dislike the "help me bang one of your girls and I'll bang you too" and similar tropes, so would hopefully like to avoid that. If it's optional though, and the interested woman doesn't hold it against you if you tell her no it's not something I'd care about.

Yes I never planned to force anyone for such content anyway, even the sleep sex/femdom stuff is optional, only good vanilla corruption/blackmail lewd scenes are unavoidable for immersion purpose.

Anyway, thank you for the feedback. I disagree with some points but I took note of the others.

 

[Kramsz]

Big meaty reply

Hey thanks for your reply. I hope my post didn't come off too negative. I think the sandbox in essence is fine. It's just a bit too much of doing the exact same stuff between each event. Even with new options added it still boils down to skipping through things you've seen over and over. It's not like it's grueling or takes long to do just like I said before, can be annoying to have to. Despite how it might come off I do play and enjoy plenty of sandbox games and I know these things aren't unique to this game. I can tell you put lots of work into the game as a whole.

It would definitely be cool to name the cat but not a big deal or anything. It's not like I dislike the name Nina, I just didn't get the point of it all from a players standpoint. I know narrative wise it helps bond her to the MC it just seems like an odd way to do it especially with how rushed and thoughtless it came off as.

Anyway I'm not trying to offer unsolicited "solutions" and tell you how to structure your game, was just sharing my thoughts for you consider or ignore as much as you like. And yeah you can't please everyone, often times it's best to just stick to your vision no matter what anyone says or bitches about. I will reiterate I think you have a potential gem on your hands. Despite any criticisms I really enjoyed playing through it overall.

 

[Vinkawa]

Hey thanks for your reply. I hope my post didn't come off too negative. I think the sandbox in essence is fine. It's just a bit too much of doing the exact same stuff between each event. Even with new options added it still boils down to skipping through things you've seen over and over. It's not like it's grueling or takes long to do just like I said before, can be annoying to have to. Despite how it might come off I do play and enjoy plenty of sandbox games and I know these things aren't unique to this game. I can tell you put lots of work into the game as a whole.

It would definitely be cool to name the cat but not a big deal or anything. It's not like I dislike the name Nina, I just didn't get the point of it all from a players standpoint. I know narrative wise it helps bond her to the MC it just seems like an odd way to do it especially with how rushed and thoughtless it came off as.

Anyway I'm not trying to offer unsolicited "solutions" and tell you how to structure your game, was just sharing my thoughts for you consider or ignore as much as you like. And yeah you can't please everyone, often times it's best to just stick to your vision no matter what anyone says or bitches about. I will reiterate I think you have a potential gem on your hands. Despite any criticisms I really enjoyed playing through it overall.

All good man, it's always nice to have some fresh feedback.
I can't give spoilers but half of your requests were implemented in the v0.4, so I hope you'll enjoy the game even more during your next session (it should be released in a day or two)

 

[Tuperr0]

 

[Yarida]

Looks amazing, let's steal and break some pussys

 

[sanshisan]

I don't really need a faster grind because I have insane stamina and control so it doesn't matter for me how much stuff there is to do in between scenes, but for those that fap quick or just want to play through the game without taking a hour or more, maybe add an option where you progress faster. Some of the grind has the effect of feeling a sort of accomplishment so its best to not force the change but let people choose it on their own to yank one off in their own pace.