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UncleFredo

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Hello Naughty Road,
I pretty much avoided this game because of the look of the main characters, but after reading a review of one of my all time favorites that compared its writing to that in LomL I felt compelled to check it out. Generally I am an easy mark for a great story supported by quality writing and your game certainly delivers that in spades. This is truly excellent work. You've produced a lovely game and I find myself deeply invested in the story and the relationships.

I've read your rant on the walkthrough mod and can understand your point of view. I have taken your advice to avoid it. Which has lead me to a rather frustrating situation. I'm in chapter three about to head out for drinks with the elder sister. This appears to be the precursor to the opening prolog of the game. Had I known the context I would have played the opening very differently. As a consequence I've come to doubt your statement that you make it a point to "telegraph dangerous choices" and it seems that I've been navigating dealing with both girls with virtually no context as to the under pinning drivers of my relationship with either. Nor is there any reliable indication of how to address the negative feelings of either girl or the lack of positive feelings of the elder girl.

At a minimum a bit of history on the event that derailed all our lives and the reaction of each girl to that event and the stumbling blocks it placed in my relationship with each of them would have been helpful. Jogging in the dark through a field of gopher holes isn't my idea of enjoyment, and, at this point, that is how it feels to play the game.

This is your game and I certainly support your absolute to create it as you choose. I for one would appreciate a bit more feedback as to both the likely result of choices that push the relationship with each girl and how far I am from inadvertently hitting bottom.

That said thanks for creating a great game and a fine piece of work.
 

LarryK

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Hello Naughty Road,
I pretty much avoided this game because of the look of the main characters, but after reading a review of one of my all time favorites that compared its writing to that in LomL I felt compelled to check it out. Generally I am an easy mark for a great story supported by quality writing and your game certainly delivers that in spades. This is truly excellent work. You've produced a lovely game and I find myself deeply invested in the story and the relationships.

I've read your rant on the walkthrough mod and can understand your point of view. I have taken your advice to avoid it. Which has lead me to a rather frustrating situation. I'm in chapter three about to head out for drinks with the elder sister. This appears to be the precursor to the opening prolog of the game. Had I known the context I would have played the opening very differently. As a consequence I've come to doubt your statement that you make it a point to "telegraph dangerous choices" and it seems that I've been navigating dealing with both girls with virtually no context as to the under pinning drivers of my relationship with either. Nor is there any reliable indication of how to address the negative feelings of either girl or the lack of positive feelings of the elder girl.

At a minimum a bit of history on the event that derailed all our lives and the reaction of each girl to that event and the stumbling blocks it placed in my relationship with each of them would have been helpful. Jogging in the dark through a field of gopher holes isn't my idea of enjoyment, and, at this point, that is how it feels to play the game.

This is your game and I certainly support your absolute to create it as you choose. I for one would appreciate a bit more feedback as to both the likely result of choices that push the relationship with each girl and how far I am from inadvertently hitting bottom.

That said thanks for creating a great game and a fine piece of work.
First, let me say, glad you gave this piece of art a chance. The history you request is just in front of you, and after the fact, I felt it was where it should be. The choices you make right now are not dangerous, more that the events you see at the point you have reached are indicative of the struggle the family is having coupled with their love for each other and inability to express it. Hang in there, the journey is well worth it!

My thoughts and opinions, NR may have something differant to say.
 

naughtyroad

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This is your game and I certainly support your absolute to create it as you choose. I for one would appreciate a bit more feedback as to both the likely result of choices that push the relationship with each girl and how far I am from inadvertently hitting bottom.

That said thanks for creating a great game and a fine piece of work.
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My thoughts and opinions, NR may have something differant to say.
Cheers and thanks for the feedback. Yeah, it's mostly as Larry said. You're gonna hit rock bottom, and their reactions are not always within your control. There's no way to avoid Macy punching you in the face (just like there's no way to prevent Denise from having a crisis at school), it's what you do after. The lovepoint point feedback here serves not as a score for you to max, but as a story device, to let you know not all is well and worry about putting everything back together.
 

UncleFredo

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Cheers and thanks for the feedback. Yeah, it's mostly as Larry said. You're gonna hit rock bottom, and their reactions are not always within your control. There's no way to avoid Macy punching you in the face (just like there's no way to prevent Denise from having a crisis at school), it's what you do after. The lovepoint point feedback here serves not as a score for you to max, but as a story device, to let you know not all is well and worry about putting everything back together.
THanks to you and Larry for the feedback. Very much appreciated.
 
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ChaosGhost

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i hope u stick with the bibltheme from the museum exihibit,so we get our "wards" pregnant ,maybe stick with brooke for the new job so that the life for them turn better larger home or like in covid times so often homeoffice...,or macy get the idea from her sister that she like to share so brooke maybe get to be a part of the family

im really suprised to see some more or less realistic chars not the mostly used shining barbie dolls (ok they look good...),the eyes sometimes in the kissing look really big a bit animelike,and yeah im really happy that so far NO NTR is showing since im not a fan of this i can live with cuckqueen's but no NTR
 

Miðgarðsormr

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i hope u stick with the bibltheme from the museum exihibit,so we get our "wards" pregnant ,maybe stick with brooke for the new job so that the life for them turn better larger home or like in covid times so often homeoffice...,or macy get the idea from her sister that she like to share so brooke maybe get to be a part of the family

im really suprised to see some more or less realistic chars not the mostly used shining barbie dolls (ok they look good...),the eyes sometimes in the kissing look really big a bit animelike,and yeah im really happy that so far NO NTR is showing since im not a fan of this i can live with cuckqueen's but no NTR
I am pretty sure there will never be any NTR in this game. But i kinda like the idea with brooke moving in with them. But as the story goes so far i don't see this happening in any way atm. Could be wrong as well as i don't know where the story will take us.

Correction i DO know where the story is gonna take us. To the glorious Venus hills of those two. Will have my base camp near the thighs and prepare myself for the mounting of the hills.
 

UncleFredo

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So I've commented that the quality of writing here is exceptional. Please allow me to provide an example. So perfect that I damn near pissed myself. The line is the elder sister speaking about her manipulative younger sister. "I'm beginning to wonder if there is a connection between being short and a vicious little dictator."

To all the wannabe Napoleons out there, you've just been tagged and bagged.

Took me several minutes to break out of the game and post this and I'm still laughing my ass off. Kudos to the writer!

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So as we get to know the characters and they develop separate personalities the writer(s) have the opportunity to express those personalities in dialog.. This means that usually they have to build identities of the character before they can start turning phrases to differentiate them selves from a cookie cutter game blob. So if you have quality writing as the game develops great lines become more common and just "appear" as if they are perfectly natural. The youger sister to the older "Well at least I don't look like I went on a field trip to the local newspaper and fell into the printing press by accident".

NR: Damn man, it's not just a few one liners here and there, the lines fully enhance the personalities that you've created for these characters. Writing doesn't get much better than this.
 
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Ariostebaldo

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I've gotta say that Macy is a great character. When games have an "angry" character like her, it must be difficult to get it right but naughtyroad nailed it.
The main character don't have a clue why Macy is angry at him at the begin of the game, but the player know why. This avoid Macy angriness from being annoying to the player, in my opinion.
 
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