VN Ren'Py Light of My Life [Ch. 8 v0.8.1] [Naughty Road]

[Miðgarðsormr]

Rubbish. You don't have to be a professional writer, coder, developer, etc. to offer valid and insightful criticisms. Ex. Before I even touched a line of code, I was noticing logic errors in games...and I didn't even know what that was until much later. And there is no one, "right" way to code. Many routes can be taken to achieve a desired result. That's the beauty of programming.

I like reading both dissenting opinions and critiques of games that I enjoy. They may notice something outside the scope of my lovestruck, myopic view. For Light of My Life, I generally enjoy everything about this game, but if someone puts forth an interesting point to challenge my perceptions, I will certainly listen, regardless if they are an experienced critic or not. The professionals can become too stuck in their methods anyway. Newcomers and amateurs are necessary to mix things up and provide fresh perspectives. Without them, innovation would grind to a halt. Art (especially AVNs) is created for a largely amateur audience, not just professionals. Feedback from that audience is imperative for improvement.

P.S. All artwork critiques have an element of opinion lodged within. The two are never completely separated. An example of lighting. While bad lighting might be universally noticed, what constitutes good lighting in a scene might not be universally agreed. One expert might think a soft light works better while another expert might think a harsher light is more proper.

Of course you don't need to be any of those to offer valid and insightful criticism if you know the difference between critique and opinion that is. Which most people who start something here do not. Some people defend the writing of AWAM which is absolute and utter garbage even noticeable by absolute amateurs. So people like you who know how to express their views are sadly the minority on this board in general.
Often times all you can read is stuff like "where are the tits i demanded yesterday?" or "Update bad cause to much dialouge and story makes no sense and didn't see enough vagina" which is absolutely ridiculous if you payed a single minute of attention to the story presented in this game.

Most people who complain in here however do not know the simple difference between those 2.

The write stuff like "Women Ugly. Why don't they look exactly like i would want them to?" and when you point out that this is against the rules they start babbling about how their personal opinion is critique. Which it is not. Hence my explanations yet again so they freaking understand it one day.

I like to do that as well. My daughters for example experience the office ladies as kind of antagonists that threaten the love triangle of the MC and his wards while as well representing the different stages of a mother that is missing in the wards life.
1. A single lady not bound by anything to experience her sexual desires freely.
2. A Lady who is becoming a mother who is frustrated by her pregnancy and the hardships that come with it.
3. A Lady that is living through a sexual frustrating time in her life while also being a mother and a caretaker at the same time.

An observation or rather a point of view i would have never thought off. But a valid one and a interesting one to say the least. That is feedback that is substantial as the dev as well as others from amateurs to pro's alike can work with that. Understand the viewpoint. Debate it. Question it etc.

But what in the world are we or the dev supposed to do with "Girls ugly" or "Why is there no sex scene?" or "Why update take so long?" Thats just absolute useless as those people neither read anything in the game nor the OP. And the update time was explained so many times already that you must be a newbie to not have read it yet.

Your P.S is exactly what i would want people to realize who constantly babble complete and utter nonsense. Group A likes Lighting this way. Group B likes lighting the other way. Group C has a different approach and Group D thinks in general that the darker a scene with only influences of light from certain angles are whats best.
This opens debate and gives alot of insight to work with for the dev and others.

More debate, more dialouge and more discussion in general. And less to 0 arguing about "how the girls look" or why personal preferences are not met.

Exactly, NR, your take on the repetitive criticism of morons who only want to fuck every 3 minutes of play is very correct. The same goes for those who swear by botoxed bimbos endowed with monstrous tits and asses and who have put their brains in their cunt. Throw it all in the trash and continue on your way, to the delight of your real supporters who appreciate real stories with real characters ...

The amount of botoxed bimbos endowed with monstrous tits and asses would make you think the "bears" had enough on their plate to chew on. Yet they keep coming here and other games demanding the same stuff over and over again. Like demanding from a chef only to cook one dish for the rest of his life because that is what they like. Absolutely ridiculous.
Hopefully they all meet such a bimbo IRL and marry them. Only to figure out that is no longer what they want and than they hunt down the games with such characters and do the opposite of what they are doing right now.

 

[Naxos]

"I really hate the idea that anything could ever be made that is not tailored specifically for me, personally, free of charge. Therefore, this thing must not be allowed to exists."

Dang it NR I told you that in confidence.

Now please give me my barbies that are tailored to what I want!

"There's no sex, just tease!" - translates to "I cannot be trusted with choices, because I just turned down every option to interact with anyone in the game except the slow burn ones, and now I don't have anyone to interact with in the game except the slow burn ones."

Would be feeling called out now, but hey I chose to reject those other ones so I could focus on the vaguely related in patreon friendly somewhat roomate girls. I regret nothing!

 

[yoyomistro]

Are you sure you have it in the folder with the .exe? Also what version of Unren are you using?

If you're sure you're using it correctly, try this version https://f95zone.to/threads/mod-update-of-the-tool-unren-bat-v10.92717/

It's more robust than the one in the original thread.

 

[afterlights]

And of course I love some of the deeper analyses, like Miðgarðsormr 's daughters' view on the office ladies, which completely blindsided me. That really helps me to figure out how some parts of the story are received, and understand how to be a better storyteller.

I think I missed this. I knew they played the game, but I don't recall their insight.

 

[Dragon59]

Interesting points about critique and feedback. Tbh, a ton has changed about how I perceive feedback and critique about LomL. When I first started out still wet behind the ears, I took nearly everything really seriously, trying to find the nugget of wisdom wherever I could. But let's be honest about it, it doesn't take long to figure out 90% or so of "feedback" seems to consist of the same three or four hackneyed old varieties, e.g.:

"Grls uuugly" - translates to "I imprinted on Barbie dolls and want everything to have Barbie dolls." That is, when it doesn't translate to "Foreign looking people are icky and smelly."

I think it was their uncommon (for this medium) looks that first got me to look at the game. Honestly, it was that reaction from commenters that got me to want to play and support the game.

"Writing boooring" - of course, that's a valid opinion to have, but I found that most of the times, this translates to "I started skipping though content because my dick demands tits, now I missed so much of it nothing anyone says in the game makes sense anymore, and I blame the author for that."

I love that you, like a handful of other storytellers I've come to look to, have been able to carve out a dedicated base despite not appealing to the "unwashed masses." The bunch of you gave me the inspiration to try my own hand at telling my stories. Like you, there will be much for them to complain about, but I have come to trust that there are enough of us who appreciate actual storytelling.

 

[Miðgarðsormr]

I think I missed this. I knew they played the game, but I don't recall their insight.

Couldn't find it myself but what are your kids for if not to help you with stuff you are to old for already

Sorry about your dad as well. Know the feeling and it just is horrific to go through.
For the hot and heat part. I just had to go swimming with my daughters and if there ever was a time to quote danny glover it was today. "I AM TO OLD FOR THIS SHIT" my body hurts in places i didn't even know i had...

But on the other side my youngest told me something very interesting other than she wants to write as well. Handed me her phone and showed me some stuff i won't even pretend to understand in this day and age but at the end of the conversation she asked something i think is perfectly represented in the game.

Since her mom and i are no longer together she asked about moving on and how it feels like betrayal even if it isn't. How do you as a child try to not judge the new partner of your parents in a negative way the moment you meet them? Is it something you do naturally or is it that you are jealous of some sort cause you think that new someone will take your parents away?

I explained.
Same goes for when your daughters have a boyfriend or a husband. You fucking hate that dude. He could be the president, the scientist who cured cancer or even the guy who found out how we all can be immortal. You just hate the dude for similar reasons. And no that feeling never goes away. You will hate that guy for as long as you live and beyond.

So we discussed this for some time and at the end all my daughters sat there and talked about it. Obviously different opinions on the topic but the main consens we established was that literally everybodies first reaction is jealousy out of fear for taking someone you love away from you.

Only way to counter all that hate and jealousy is by spreading love around the family and erase the notion that someone could take someone you love away from you.

I brought up this game as they all played it.

They think the main goal should be Brooke as new step mom and all of them living a healthy, loving 4 way relationship like old mormons did once upon a time.

On the other hand they hate the office ladies because they do not represent love but jealousy. They want something from the MC they seem to not have or miss in their relationships and not concerning the damage they could inflict once this goes out. Literally the worst case scenario if shit goes sideways and you destroy maybe not just your own family but 3 families in the process.

Brooke on the other hand did nothing immoral in that regard other than flirting or banging a man with no strings attached. So to them Brooke is the lesser evil that could become a gift of some sort for the family as a step mom.

The fascinating part however was them talking about lot and his daughters. They explained you could argue that before Lot found a new wife that could be even worse than their mom in terms of listening to god they took it upon their own duty to ensure giving birth to a new generation devoted to god instead of worse case scenario and they get another women like mom who won't listen to shit.

OR that purely out of jealousy to see their father with another women other than their mom they took it as their duty to ensure his manly needs are satisfied and giving him more healthy children he could teach about the devotion to god while also ensuring the love he has for them would never stop.

So 3 main reasons for them doing what they did. Devotion to god, jealousy and love.

You could start arguing the same about the story of the game. Macy for sure is jealous towards brooke and denise acting purely out of love for her family.

Like in the story of lot and his daughters you have 2 daughters who aside from the bible story and the devotion to god are acting out on similar reasons as they did. Love for one daughter as her driving motivation and one out of jealousy not wanting to see the MC with another women than herself out of fear she could lose him forever.


Edit: Sorry for the long post but i'm half beat to death here and had to get this out of my system before i forget half of it.

 

[afterlights]

Couldn't find it myself but what are your kids for if not to help you with stuff you are to old for already

I hear ya on that! Very insightful commentary, and curious that I liked NR's reply but not your original post.

 

[TobyQ]

To be honest...to me, from my perspective. A daughter having big nips is a huge turn-on. Having too much interactive stuff distracts from the attention I need to fap away freely.

 

[yoyomistro]

I think it was their uncommon (for this medium) looks that first got me to look at the game. Honestly, it was that reaction from commenters that got me to want to play and support the game.

I love that you, like a handful of other storytellers I've come to look to, have been able to carve out a dedicated base despite not appealing to the "unwashed masses." The bunch of you gave me the inspiration to try my own hand at telling my stories. Like you, there will be much for them to complain about, but I have come to trust that there are enough of us who appreciate actual storytelling.

Awesome man, from the little I know of you from this forum I'm sure it'll be great. I still haven't gotten back into my own writing. I feel like I look at the tons of writing I've already done and get hung up too much on why I stopped in the first place, lol. I'm still not giving up though.

To be honest...to me, from my perspective. A daughter having big nips is a huge turn-on. Having too much interactive stuff distracts from the attention I need to fap away freely.

Honestly the only reason I like this medium is the level of immersion it provides. I don't self-insert like a lot of people do, but I've always found books extremely immersive as a medium and the combination of visual and lexical stimuli in VNs works for me so I'm glad the story is so well put together, so even though there isn't a constant flow of erotic content (although I'd argue there's plenty if you fully explore the side character routes) the fact that the surrounding context is so carefully delineated makes the moments we're all here for all the more engaging, so people who like big nipples/areola like you and me can probably appreciate those bits all the more when they arrive.

 

[Dragon59]

Awesome man, from the little I know of you from this forum I'm sure it'll be great. I still haven't gotten back into my own writing. I feel like I look at the tons of writing I've already done and get hung up too much on why I stopped in the first place, lol. I'm still not giving up though.

Thanks and good fortune to you! My brain is already starting to formulate other stories. One of them is actually very old, a fan story I was writing as part of a Star Trek club I was in before TNG.

Honestly the only reason I like this medium is the level of immersion it provides. I don't self-insert like a lot of people do, but I've always found books extremely immersive as a medium and the combination of visual and lexical stimuli in VNs works for me so I'm glad the story is so well put together, so even though there isn't a constant flow of erotic content (although I'd argue there's plenty if you fully explore the side character routes) the fact that the surrounding context is so carefully delineated makes the moments we're all here for all the more engaging, so people who like big nipples/areola like you and me can probably appreciate those bits all the more when they arrive.

I grew up reading many, many books, so story matters to me. I want a developer with a story to tell, not one who wants to be the Michael Bay of sex scenes.

 

[Indio_do_AP]

This game was cancelled? About one year without a new release.

 

[LorgarAurelian]

This game was cancelled? About one year without a new release.

We will get the update when its done, quality takes time.

 

[Deleted member 1758197]

Interesting points about critique and feedback. Tbh, a ton has changed about how I perceive feedback and critique about LomL. When I first started out still wet behind the ears, I took nearly everything really seriously, trying to find the nugget of wisdom wherever I could. But let's be honest about it, it doesn't take long to figure out 90% or so of "feedback" seems to consist of the same three or four hackneyed old varieties, e.g.:

"Grls uuugly" - translates to "I imprinted on Barbie dolls and want everything to have Barbie dolls." That is, when it doesn't translate to "Foreign looking people are icky and smelly."

"Writing boooring" - of course, that's a valid opinion to have, but I found that most of the times, this translates to "I started skipping though content because my dick demands tits, now I missed so much of it nothing anyone says in the game makes sense anymore, and I blame the author for that."

"No one likes [fetish X] so this game suuucks!" - translates to "I really hate the idea that anything could ever be made that is not tailored specifically for me, personally, free of charge. Therefore, this thing must not be allowed to exists."

"There's no sex, just tease!" - translates to "I cannot be trusted with choices, because I just turned down every option to interact with anyone in the game except the slow burn ones, and now I don't have anyone to interact with in the game except the slow burn ones."

They're void of value, and just get a little headshake before moving on, or a tap on the nose when they're being really obnoxious about it.

There is interesting feedback out there though, like one where a player was really annoyed by some of the one-choice menu's that are in there, which are there on purpose, for dramatic and pacing reasons, but strike some as unneeded and annoying. That prompted me to add a keyboard biding so you don't have to take your free hand from the keyboard to click the mouse , which I feel is a really neat, small improvement.
And of course I love some of the deeper analyses, like Miðgarðsormr 's daughters' view on the office ladies, which completely blindsided me. That really helps me to figure out how some parts of the story are received, and understand how to be a better storyteller.

Personally, as a fan of a ton of sex scenes, I didn't find it hard at all to enjoy your game. Seriously, I'm completely guilty of loving tons of sex in the games I typically enjoy.....and while I do wish there were more sex scenes, especially some repeatable events, I absolutely love the game you've created as it is. Its one of the few slow burnish style games I'd give a perfect 10. Its why I've kept my mouth shut up till now and am waiting patiently for the next release. Your writing and story have overridden my base needs, at least as far as LOML is concerned. I'm only saying this now not as some critique, but because I hope you don't start hating my sex fiend crew based on the more vocal percentage of us.........

 

[LarryK]

This game was cancelled? About one year without a new release.

Yes, nothing to see here, move on.

 

[Miðgarðsormr]

Yes, nothing to see here, move on.

Damn. Denying the bears honey is one thing. But telling them there is no honey at all is just cruel

 

[yoyomistro]

Thanks and good fortune to you! My brain is already starting to formulate other stories. One of them is actually very old, a fan story I was writing as part of a Star Trek club I was in before TNG.

I grew up reading many, many books, so story matters to me. I want a developer with a story to tell, not one who wants to be the Michael Bay of sex scenes.

Nothing wrong with some gratuitous indulgence every once in a while. I'm not sure if this is legal or not but I actually like all the Transformers movies >.>. But yea I too appreciate good storytelling and wish there was more of it.

 

[LorgarAurelian]

lol this game should be abandon. Just looking at the girls face makes me vomit. 7month should be more than enough for the dev to realize this game is lol! . Time to a leave the site.

Bye bye then, with a attitude like this i'm sure no one is going to miss you.

 

[LarryK]

lol this game should be abandon. Just looking at the girls face makes me vomit. 7month should be more than enough for the dev to realize this game is lol! . Time to a leave the site.

Don't let the door hit you ....

 

[LarryK]

Bye bye then, with a attitude like this i'm sure no one is going to miss you.

another on my ignore list, so guess I'll 'miss' him completely.

 

[Miðgarðsormr]

God damn we are getting more and more bears. Wtf happend? Did we put up a sign somewhere to lure them here or did someone piss in their honey pot and shat in their cave for them to come here one after another?