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Maviarab

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Ah, okay. Thanks for explaining. Curious decision to have the wards be either both or neither, kinda somehow expected a choice there.
You misunderstood....the wards are always a route, you cannot not have them...they can be in combination with any of the others.

You may think is unusual, but it really isn't at all. Many games like this make the 'wards' forced...however I do get you as (unpopular comment incoming) I'm really not a fan of denise personally. At the end of the day, it's an incest game, about a father and his 2 daughters...why would they be not be an option?
 

Dzebo

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You misunderstood....the wards are always a route, you cannot not have them...they can be in combination with any of the others.

You may think is unusual, but it really isn't at all. Many games like this make the 'wards' forced...however I do get you as (unpopular comment incoming) I'm really not a fan of denise personally. At the end of the day, it's an incest game, about a father and his 2 daughters...why would they be not be an option?
I meant that it's somewhat surprising that you cannot choose which one to pursue, and that it has to be both. I can understand it from the devs point of view though as it would effectively double the work needed to have different scenes. But still a bit... disappointed, maybe?

Don't get me wrong, this seems like a real gem of a game and clearly a labor of love, I do applaud the developer!
 

DA22

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I meant that it's somewhat surprising that you cannot choose which one to pursue, and that it has to be both. I can understand it from the devs point of view though as it would effectively double the work needed to have different scenes. But still a bit... disappointed, maybe?

Don't get me wrong, this seems like a real gem of a game and clearly a labor of love, I do applaud the developer!
Well you are right that it would more than double the work for two chars that are very central to the game and not only for scenes, but also how they would react to not being the chosen one, just would at least be triple the work: macy solo, denise solo and the thruple, besides the existing neither as LI's :p

More importantly though it would not fit with the setup dev chose for his story to end up with only one of the two or to even be able to choose which one if go on their route, now the setup is the dev's choice of course, but changing that would also take much of the magic of this game away in the name of choice. :)
 

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Mostly is a matter of story. Unlike most VNs with optional love interests where each lives in their own, pretty much isolated compartment of the game, with their own story branch more or less separate from that of the other characters, in this case their story lines are very much intertwined, and they play and bounce off each other to drive development. It just doesn't make sense to have one or the other be optional in there.

There's a technical aspect too: if I'd wanted to offer such an option with three branches (which I don't, for the record), I'd have to write two completely new branches for the story, mutually exclusive with each other and the current main story branch, to facilitate that. Then I'd have to come up with all kinds of events and motivations to make things work with one or the other not having any skin in the game so to say.
That is is an enormous amount of effort in it's own, and reduces my efficiency by two thirds. I'd have to put in three times the work for any update, but for any individual player, the amount of content in an update doesn't increase, as they are only able to see one third of my effort.

Obviously, that is far from ideal, as the amount of work it takes to produce this stuff is already ridiculous.

Finally, for the record, Macy and Denise as a whole are an avoidable branch, that is, the MC doesn't have to get involved with them. If he doesn't, they'll just get on with things by themselves. From a technical point of view, this is a lot simpler to implement (the plot mostly stays the same, minus the erotic parts that that involves the MC and them, although there is some effort in alternative dialog to reflect this and turning any dramatic developments involving the MC platonic).
 

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Mostly is a matter of story. Unlike most VNs with optional love interests where each lives in their own, pretty much isolated compartment of the game, with their own story branch more or less separate from that of the other characters, in this case their story lines are very much intertwined, and they play and bounce off each other to drive development. It just doesn't make sense to have one or the other be optional in there.

There's a technical aspect too: if I'd wanted to offer such an option with three branches (which I don't, for the record), I'd have to write two completely new branches for the story, mutually exclusive with each other and the current main story branch, to facilitate that. Then I'd have to come up with all kinds of events and motivations to make things work with one or the other not having any skin in the game so to say.
That is is an enormous amount of effort in it's own, and reduces my efficiency by two thirds. I'd have to put in three times the work for any update, but for any individual player, the amount of content in an update doesn't increase, as they are only able to see one third of my effort.

Obviously, that is far from ideal, as the amount of work it takes to produce this stuff is already ridiculous.

Finally, for the record, Macy and Denise as a whole are an avoidable branch, that is, the MC doesn't have to get involved with them. If he doesn't, they'll just get on with things by themselves. From a technical point of view, this is a lot simpler to implement (the plot mostly stays the same, minus the erotic parts that that involves the MC and them, although there is some effort in alternative dialog to reflect this and turning any dramatic developments involving the MC platonic).
In my humble opinion, this a much better way to handle creating a game like this.

One of the things I dislike about the vast majority of games on this site is the fact that they are all shallow.

I call it being 10 kilometers wide and 10 centimeters deep ( metric is better, fight me.)

They introduce tons of characters with all or most of them having limited " screen time" and little to no character development, beyond liking to fuck the mc.

It is also why I despise games that try to cater to both the vanilla crowd and the ntr crowd. In trying to please both , they please no one, and everybody is pissed that the dev wastes time (a very limited resource ) creating something they don't like.

Pick a genre and stick with it, don't half ass it.
 
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Dzebo

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I didn't mean any offence, and if it sounded like that, I apologize. I was merely curious about how the game handles things. It is always extremely difficult to make a game (I know, I've worked on three shipped ones) and I do applaud anyone who embarks on that mission. It ain't easy :D

So, dev, keep up the good work and stay true to your vision!
 
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Ngl, after playing chapters 6&7 i'm at some point redoing the whole thing with the sole purpose of hooking up with everything that moves and also being a living breathing anxiety battery for Denise. All i want is Macy and all i get is Denise, over and over and over again. And now that this poor man the MC has finally managed to mug back the camera for 5 minutes straight and finally fork better daughter in peace, man's not gonna be able to do it again until worse one has had her 100th bathroom event. Like holy shit, take your " 1700208049190.png " and leave me alone creature :HideThePain::HideThePain::HideThePain:
 

Mookys

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I haven't played it yet. It looks good, but the character models look... very special. And the ladies look small.
But as they say, don't judge a book by its cover. I'll give it a try.
 

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naughtyroad, I never did post here about your latest update after I finished playing it. Just wanted to say that I enjoyed it :D I'm gonna be honest, I was really jonesing for a scene with any of the Crones rlly, but especially the eldest one about her titillating promise. But, I guess we'll get that next update :cool: Thx again for all the hard work!
 
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naughtyroad

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naughtyroad, I never did post here about your latest update after I finished playing it. Just wanted to say that I enjoyed it :D I'm gonna be honest, I was really jonesing for a scene with any of the Crones rlly, but especially the eldest one about her titillating promise. But, I guess we'll get that next update :cool: Thx again for all the hard work!
Cheers. Yeah, I really wish I could do more right by all the love interests in there, but with production on that chapter already taking sooo long, it was all I could do to let her have that short moment during the ceremony, if you're on her path, and that little teaser with Sierra all the way at the end.
 

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I always found Sierra to be dense as a brick, but with the most hilarious (unintentionally so) comments.
But, in chapter 7 she got fleshed out a lot more and I found her a lot more charming and interesting. Good progression on her.

Didn't hurt that the LoML anal-queen got to show how she coud perv out on Sarah either. :p
I wonder if she could find a way to team up with Denise, the anal-queen to be?? :sneaky:
 

naughtyroad

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I always found Sierra to be dense as a brick, but with the most hilarious (unintentionally so) comments.
But, in chapter 7 she got fleshed out a lot more and I found her a lot more charming and interesting. Good progression on her.

Didn't hurt that the LoML anal-queen got to show how she coud perv out on Sarah either. :p
I wonder if she could find a way to team up with Denise, the anal-queen to be?? :sneaky:
One of the things I'd really love to explore somehow.
 
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