The wait will be worth guys, i'm sure of that.
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Just so Naughtyroad doesnt have to take time away to post this.
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One of my favorite games here, it won't last on a once a year release schedule, especially since you're not working on it full time, I was a patron for over a year straight since v1 but had to duck out from lack of communication, I've heard it's gotten better in the discord tho
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FYI: At least now, it's not a once-a-year schedule and there is good Dev participation both here and especially their Discord, each of which are each well-attended by fans/patrons.
I'm not really sure where you got that impression, but I am working on it full time (eg 40hrs + a week) on top of a full time dayjob, and I'm pretty sure I told you that during the 9 months you were a ground tier patron. But if I remember correctly, you seemed to want me to spend a lot of time being active on patreon and discord, while I'd rather spend that time working on trying to finish this beast.
The good-bye rant about the curse of 0.5 and the game heading for abandonment was a classy touch btw, real motivational stuff.
Let me just make one thing clear to everyone reading this: I'm making LomL because I want to make a game, this game. Not because I want to rake in cash. I'm super grateful for every bit of love and support that I get, but I'd still be doing this if I had none at all. What I'm not gonna do is take time away from creating this game to entertain on patreon or discord in the hopes of attracting more support.
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I thought a Patreon membership was a way to support the work of a developer, not a way to buy face time or communication?
Admittedly I'm not a Patreon member, so maybe I don't have a clue. I prefer to "buy people a coffee" or something of that kind instead and would never consider signing up to a monthly payment for anything but essential services. Anyway, however I choose to donate I certainly wouldn't expect - or want - a developer to take time out from working on what I support just to play at being my buddy.
Admittedly I'm not a Patreon member, so maybe I don't have a clue. I prefer to "buy people a coffee" or something of that kind instead and would never consider signing up to a monthly payment for anything but essential services. Anyway, however I choose to donate I certainly wouldn't expect - or want - a developer to take time out from working on what I support just to play at being my buddy.
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- May 9, 2018
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Meh, those feeling entitled are going to entitle...
So supporter for a year since ver .1 ,but now we're on ver .5 with a once a "once a year update" schedule but from all accounts started in 2019. 1+1 = 5 Smh... math is hard.
So supporter for a year since ver .1 ,but now we're on ver .5 with a once a "once a year update" schedule but from all accounts started in 2019. 1+1 = 5 Smh... math is hard.
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Completely agree, I have in fact bought NR a coffee, and was very pleasantly surprised when he noticed, and dropped me a short note of thanks.
You do you naughtyroad, you have a tonne more people who care about this game becoming what you imagined it to be, than you do people who just either want to shit on it or want a rushed update so they can click through it to just wank off and be done with it.
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when i lost my job this year this was the only one of six games that i still pay into keep up the good work
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Assuming this person was a legit patreon and not a troll, as someone who has supported multiple games that have been abandoned over the years I can understand where that they are coming from. 9 months is a long time and for some people communication is a way to make sure that the dev is actually working on the product they are supporting and to hold devs accountable. They just want to make sure they are not throwing their money away.
Please understand that I am not accusing you specifically of anything but after having supported a bunch of devs that abandoned their games I can see why the 'not doing this to rake in cash' argument might not be a convincing one unless the dev switches to a per release payment schedule or delays pledges especially if the person in question thinks that not enough work is being done.
You have a bunch of people supporting your work and who believe in what you are doing and people for the most part arent idiots so I believe you when you say that you are not doing it for the money but I also think it is understandable where people who think differently are coming from especially given that there is money (no matter how little it is) involved. I wanted to say all this because I disagree with the people here saying that this is entitlement.
All that being said I had originally come to this thread because I played the game for the first time and I really enjoyed it. Good to know that you are making progress and I look forward to seeing more of your work.
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Time for the periodic reminder that providing patronage to a developer means that you're supporting them as an artist and not buying episodes, or anything else, on a set release schedule. You're not buying "Light of My Life Game-Pass"...you're giving them money as a reward for their efforts and nothing else unless they state otherwise.
NaughtyRoad has been very clear about the game's development pacing and what patronage means to him, so it should be no surprise to anyone that he's not going to issue weekly reports or engage in a bunch chitty-chat here or on Discord. Unless NR made performance claims (such as this many episodes with this many hours of playtime and this many renders within this many months) and, to the best of my knowledge he hasn't, we're getting what he promised.
What really drives me nuts about this is that people will give huge amounts of money to businesses for franchise products (e.g. AAA games) that take years to create...but will gripe about flipping someone a buck a month towards a passion-project such a LoML.
Just can't figure that out.
NaughtyRoad has been very clear about the game's development pacing and what patronage means to him, so it should be no surprise to anyone that he's not going to issue weekly reports or engage in a bunch chitty-chat here or on Discord. Unless NR made performance claims (such as this many episodes with this many hours of playtime and this many renders within this many months) and, to the best of my knowledge he hasn't, we're getting what he promised.
What really drives me nuts about this is that people will give huge amounts of money to businesses for franchise products (e.g. AAA games) that take years to create...but will gripe about flipping someone a buck a month towards a passion-project such a LoML.
Just can't figure that out.
Different people, different opinions. I am not talking about NaughtyRoad specifically - like I said in my previous post I just played the game for the first time. You may be pledging as a reward and nothing else. I personally pledge for the development of the product under the assumption that the dev will see it through until the end. I do not personally pledge as a reward for work that they have done unless the project is complete unless they set expectations correctly on their patreon introduction section by saying that updates will be irregular etc so I know what I am getting into when I make the payment.
The fact that we both have different reasons/assumptions for supporting does not make either one of us wrong.
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This topic just reminded me that I never gave any appreciation for this nice and unique game i enjoy so far. This aint much but here are a few coffees for ya. Much love
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I completely agree with your statement and recognize that people have different expectations and motivations, in this case "patronage" and "incentivization". It isn't a "right/wrong" topic, except to the extent that someone bothers to read a developer's position on something and still complains. This clearly isn't what you're doing, but there's a lot of people that are across various platforms and it's...tedious.
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You joined up in November 2019, the month I was let go from my previous dayjob, and from that period on I worked full time during the day plus evenings and weekends on it (effectively double of what I can do now), enabling me make the release of chapter 3 just in time for Christmas. So, in fact not full time, but rather almost double full time.
That period lasted until April 2020, when I started my new dayjob and went to evenings and weekends, which would be the aforementioned dayjob on top of a dayjob. You were around during that time as well, leaving in august 2020.
Just like the "patron for over a year" from your first post that turned out somewhat less, you're not telling the truth here. Please stop it, it's eating up my time because I gotta keep responding to present the actual facts lest someone actually believe what you're saying is true, and it's getting tiresome.