Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.10.7 Hotfix] [Innoxia]

[stuffinabox]

Speaking as someone who used to support this game, you're oddly wrong.

For starters, this game isn't supported through Patreon. The fact that you aren't aware of that should be a clue that you might mot be as across this situation as you think.

More importantly, this game isn't driven by what paying subscribers want. If that were the case, there'd be polls on Subscribestar to decide what gets added next. Which doesn't happen. Probably because the option, "Can you make the fucking game now, please Inno?" might win those polls.

Rather, this game's development seems to be driven by whatever meme is running around the free Discord the most, massively padded with fan content and held back by Inno's spectacular laziness and incompetence.

Say Hi to Manwhore for me. I'm sure he'd love to know that being a moderator in a lazy T-Deficient discord server and commissioning rat women porn surely justifies wasting time spent there as bitching does on here in the game forums.

 

[Corvus Blackwood]

Anyone have the latest EXE version?

 

[Kashiroi]

So, since the game is open source, I decided to clone the repo and compile it (very tedious due to the old Java version but manageable) to obtain the most recent updates without having to redownload it every time. But then I noticed a lot of people complaining about delayed updates, which made me question why no one forked the game and contributed additional material themselves.

The other problem is that Inno is oddly *slow* to respond to PRs which.. considering they're fixing her? code, you'd expect faster responses.

TBH, I don't think Innoxia's lying about their life being a wreck. I just think Innoxia should have suspended charging.

 

[Zaeroark]

The other problem is that Inno is oddly *slow* to respond to PRs which.. considering they're fixing her? code, you'd expect faster responses.

TBH, I don't think Innoxia's lying about their life being a wreck. I just think Innoxia should have suspended charging.

then what would we complain about?

 

[Ashurael]

did the discord server get nuked or something? cant find it in my list and the invite link here says unable to accept.

 

[quadangle]

I'm still in the server on a throwaway, maybe you got kicked?

 

[ebonheart2319]

did the discord server get nuked or something? cant find it in my list and the invite link here says unable to accept.

Again.
The Discord does not tolerate questions, comments, or critiques.
If you do not silently lurk, you get permabanned.
Any dissent is banished to F95.

This was not hyperbole. This was not a joke. This is how Inno runs her Discord.

Proven Sycophants and Modders only.

 

[Loliphile]

The other problem is that Inno is oddly *slow* to respond to PRs which.. considering they're fixing her? code, you'd expect faster responses.

TBH, I don't think Innoxia's lying about their life being a wreck. I just think Innoxia should have suspended charging.

in her developer only chat (which me and several other devs/artists talk in sometimes) Innoxia has been sometimes more forthright with exactly what has gone wrong and sometimes asked for assistance to fix issues that could be solved by randoms, like tech issues with her PC which has happened more than once. Her situation is often actually in shambles, other times it's anxiety due to either over scoping, or public response to her barely missing an update making her shut down and further delay, which feeds into itself.

 

[KaiSakurai]

• Remember that empty place? It's not empty anymore! You'll be able to do stuff there soon!

sorry, but its "soon™"gotta keep it real

 

[PartTimeDegen]

I can say with relative certainty this update was infact all innoxia, after combing through it (since I'm updating my version), I can say it has innoxia's signature all over it inline if (condition?true:false) has no spaces, a bunch of string concatenations also have+no+space, among many other nasty practices.

I haven't looked too much into the code but are you telling me they don't even have a linter?

Bruh what year is this?

 

[PartTimeDegen]

F95 is fickle is what it is.

For being "a site of pirates" there are more than plenty of people actually supporting devs financially. Of course, some don't. I don't have the money to throw around.

That being said, F95 will give devs an unfiltered opinion with a lot of enthusiasm. We're not going to lick your dick just because you're a dev. If your game's shite, don't worry - we'll tell you!

There are also a lot of very positive responses to games that are just straight up good. The word of mouth really is under-appreciated. It's free advertising, and devs don't really lose anything. Someone who had no intent of buying your game will not buy it regardless. Does it matter if he plays it? I don't think so. On the flip side, he might have something positive to say about your game.

As of now I have a lot of positives to say about LT but absolutely nothing positive to say about Inno. Let her fucking starve already. I wish simps pulled their wallets and taught her to actually work instead of going UOH MUHSTRESS and SORRY SO SORRY every 2 4 6 6.5 months with a changelog that's basically

• Added a piece of clothing
• Remember that empty place? It's not empty anymore! You'll be able to do stuff there soon!

LT is the hidden findom and humiliation fetish gem. Her subscribers are eating good.

I'm planning on starting a game at some point after I wrangled Unity, I fully intend on the model:

• Patron/Subscribestar
• Sold copy
• "Woops F95 got a version of it, those damn pirates" marketing

Unsurprisingly, people don't want to pay money in the world of free porn, especially for a game. It makes much more sense to get product awareness via free avenues and then offer methods of support. Especially when it's waaayy more acceptable in the market to sponsor a dev than buy a copy of their game.

Besides, in terms of reviews, F95 is pretty harmless; anything is good, people yearn for updates, and there's always that one guy begging for a preggo update. It takes a lot of piss-taking to actually make people upset. Hell look at how happy people are for AI NTR phone slop game #1234.

But yea I went through the update and remarked on it, I can't remember if I said how long I reckoned it would have taken, but probably 2 weeks probably, at worse a month if the code is truly terrible and the system's were throwing a fit, which I think I pointed out that I doubt should.

Their subs definitely are getting implicitly findommed and thrown red meat now and again. Truth be told when I get round to making my game, wouldn't mind a bit of that action, it's quite literally free money

 

[ChronicPasswordForgettor]

TBH, I don't think Innoxia's lying about their life being a wreck. I just think Innoxia should have suspended charging.

I believe her too, but I wouldn't be able to take people's money without feeling like utter scum.
I guess she doesn't mind?

sorry, but its "soon™"gotta keep it real

I thought those in the know would know.

 

[Draupnir7]

I believe her too, but I wouldn't be able to take people's money without feeling like utter scum.
I guess she doesn't mind?

It is either that, or guilt over taking money for nothing is part of the combo stunlocking her. But if that is the case, then the solution is a resoundingly simple 'do something, do ANYthing'. She is already surrounded by people happy do the work AND celebrate the update she 'makes'.
Jesus Christ, just focus on ONE THING for an update. Add a store, make the NPCs and some new items, push out the store as an update. Add a sidequest, make the NPCs and flesh out the interactions, push out the sidequest. Add the fairies and let me stash them inside people as nature intended, let me worry about the 'pushing it out' part.
Development is not easy, but it also is not this damned hard.

 

[Loliphile]

I haven't looked too much into the code but are you telling me they don't even have a linter?

Bruh what year is this?

Me and several others have tried to push her to Jetbrains IntelliJ, she still sticks with Eclipse, and if she even has the Eclipse Linter plugin it has a file length limit that she overshoots by a large margin. Even VSCode struggles to open certain classes of hers.

There's also the fact she prefers the lack of spaces between operators (object!=value, string+string, etc) or even if(condition){ instead of if (condition) {

 

[Shirakami0002]

Me and several others have tried to push her to Jetbrains IntelliJ, she still sticks with Eclipse, and if she even has the Eclipse Linter plugin it has a file length limit that she overshoots by a large margin. Even VSCode struggles to open certain classes of hers.

There's also the fact she prefers the lack of spaces between operators (object!=value, string+string, etc) or even if(condition){ instead of if (condition) {

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Me and several others have tried to push her to Jetbrains IntelliJ, she still sticks with Eclipse, and if she even has the Eclipse Linter plugin it has a file length limit that she overshoots by a large margin. Even VSCode struggles to open certain classes of hers.

There's also the fact she prefers the lack of spaces between operators (object!=value, string+string, etc) or even if(condition){ instead of if (condition) {

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So is this basically a yanderedev situation? also damn why did it quote twice.

 

[PartTimeDegen]

Me and several others have tried to push her to Jetbrains IntelliJ, she still sticks with Eclipse, and if she even has the Eclipse Linter plugin it has a file length limit that she overshoots by a large margin. Even VSCode struggles to open certain classes of hers.

There's also the fact she prefers the lack of spaces between operators (object!=value, string+string, etc) or even if(condition){ instead of if (condition) {

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Jesus Christ that's actual insanity. Like from what you say, she doesn't have file dimension limits so it's not even the beginner excuse of "well if I can only have 79/80/120 chars per line, I want to get my money's worth".

That coding style is actually nauseating though, it's the same problem I have with Rust where there's too much noise in a given space.

Also I was actually going to make a joke about her using Eclipse as well, turns out that was true anyway

 

[BlinkyThe2nd]

About the only time I'd return to the Discord is probably importing other people's characters to fuck...

Are there off-Discord archives for those at least?

 

[Arkus86]

It is either that, or guilt over taking money for nothing is part of the combo stunlocking her. But if that is the case, then the solution is a resoundingly simple 'do something, do ANYthing'. She is already surrounded by people happy do the work AND celebrate the update she 'makes'.
Jesus Christ, just focus on ONE THING for an update. Add a store, make the NPCs and some new items, push out the store as an update. Add a sidequest, make the NPCs and flesh out the interactions, push out the sidequest. Add the fairies and let me stash them inside people as nature intended, let me worry about the 'pushing it out' part.
Development is not easy, but it also is not this damned hard.

Don't forget giving deadlines she knows she can't keep, because she never keeps them for the "major" updates, and then gets so stressed she needs to take half a year off.
I think her supporters have proven by know they have no issue waiting even if there is no definite deadline, and if they have any issue at all, it's the absolute lack of communication, rather than lack of tangible updates. And even then they have large tolerance.

 

[AnatolTheVol]

Just hopping on to congratulate the thread on 1000 pages of discussion!
You think Inno will release an anniversary update as a treat? No, me neither.

 

[gc880]

Oh boy