Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.10.7 Hotfix] [Innoxia]

[alominus]

This game was pretty good when I first started it, but I quickly realized there was barely any thing to do other than roam around and fuck random NPCs and see the exact same text over and over. Too much work put into the positions, etc. Got to the point where I stopped reading anything and just hit a button over and over until it was done. I think the random NPCs was a badly implemented idea. Maybe unique scripted encounters would have been better imo, and way less work done on all the random dumb options that don't change the game whatsoever other than add a word in. A lot of the side quests are also another complaint. There is no help given to figure out where to go for most of them.

tl/dr: Developer spent far too much effort on the wrong things. No one wants to see the same things over and over.

 

[Deleted member 451343]

Sex scenes are all the same there is no elemnt of suprise to them. Rest of the game is great but sadly this core mechanic is bad...

 

[bouli0]

Can a companion initiate or propose sex on his own ? (dom > sub or sub > dom)

 

[NoStepOnSnek]

Can a companion initiate or propose sex on his own ? (dom > sub or sub > dom)

You can allow your slaves to initiate sex when you're alone in the house or Dominion. Due to the way being an active companion overrides their npc schedule, I don't think companions in particular will do so.

 

[DDetrix]

Sex scenes are all the same there is no elemnt of suprise to them. Rest of the game is great but sadly this core mechanic is bad...

I think they really out did themselves with the sex system. It's true, if you don't care about pregnancy or attempt to be 'pure' the system is rather meaningless. If they added a wear out factor, that would add a sense of concern to the sex scenes.... problem is I think death by screwing is a bit too dark for even this side of the net. Although be more honest to reality... getting rammed by a huge horse cock would kill most humans.

 

[Duke Greene]

LT basically copied the sex system of the Era games, particularly EraTohoK. There are a couple issues with this:
1. It's only half-baked and doesn't have half the flexibility of the original.
2. Since TohoK mainly deals with set characters there's custom dialogue for a bunch of girls.
3. Even in TohoK it becomes repetitive after a while so of course the problem is magnified in LT.

I was pretty annoyed when Strive for Power adopted this system as well for the same reasons. It just doesn't work unless you go full autist with it, and if even the Touhou fans in Nihonland aren't there yet a single dev in the UK or Russia certainly won't be either.

 

[Anon21]

Quick question. I'm confused by how the Character Stats (Core Attributes) increase with level. Or don't.

I'm a level 6 human and my physique is 0 (base) + 11 (bonus). I don't think it's changed at all? Arcane is 0 (base) + 21 (bonus). Again I don't think it is changing with level.

Am I missing something?

 

[NoStepOnSnek]

Quick question. I'm confused by how the Character Stats (Core Attributes) increase with level. Or don't.

I'm a level 6 human and my physique is 0 (base) + 11 (bonus). I don't think it's changed at all? Arcane is 0 (base) + 21 (bonus). Again I don't think it is changing with level.

Am I missing something?

You mainly raise stats through the perk tree (most of the perks are just +3 this and +5 that) or through enchanted gear. You can also make potions for temporary buffs.

 

[Anon21]

You mainly raise stats through the perk tree (most of the perks are just +3 this and +5 that) or through enchanted gear. You can also make potions for temporary buffs.

Those would be the 'bonus' part of '(base) + (bonus)'.

So I guess that there is just no level adjustment of base values since the perk tree was introduced?

 

[SoulBurner77]

Those would be the 'bonus' part of '(base) + (bonus)'.

So I guess that there is just no level adjustment of base values since the perk tree was introduced?

You had permanent increase with potions in the old system. Now you can enchant your gear for bonus.

 

[DDetrix]

LT basically copied the sex system of the Era games, particularly EraTohoK. There are a couple issues with this:
1. It's only half-baked and doesn't have half the flexibility of the original.
2. Since TohoK mainly deals with set characters there's custom dialogue for a bunch of girls.
3. Even in TohoK it becomes repetitive after a while so of course the problem is magnified in LT.

I was pretty annoyed when Strive for Power adopted this system as well for the same reasons. It just doesn't work unless you go full autist with it, and if even the Touhou fans in Nihonland aren't there yet a single dev in the UK or Russia certainly won't be either.

What in your opinion is better? A wall of text, static graphics and/or animations? Just curious.

 

[crash.7ds]

Quick question. I'm confused by how the Character Stats (Core Attributes) increase with level. Or don't.

I'm a level 6 human and my physique is 0 (base) + 11 (bonus). I don't think it's changed at all? Arcane is 0 (base) + 21 (bonus). Again I don't think it is changing with level.

Am I missing something?

I haven't played in ages, but there was a change recently in how enchantments are balanced. Basically if you have too many enchantments, your stats get nerfed into the ground. Not really sure why that was what Inno went with, apparently there were a lot of folks not happy with it either, but that could be what you are seeing happen.

 

[Shilou]

I haven't played in ages, but there was a change recently in how enchantments are balanced. Basically if you have too many enchantments, your stats get nerfed into the ground. Not really sure why that was what Inno went with, apparently there were a lot of folks not happy with it either, but that could be what you are seeing happen.

Her reasoning was to balance the game. The setting can be turned off in the 'Content Preferences' screen. Just checked, the 'Shattered enchantments' sets Maximum health and aura to 1, and corruption to 100. It shouldn't mess with other stats.

 

[rynak]

While LT has one of the most complex positioning systems for sex, i find it also very frustrating to use for 3 reasons:
1. Changing from one positioning-setup to another takes far too long, mainly because the standard button interface is slow and inefficient, when there are more choices than buttons per page.
2. It's not at all obvious, which actions are possible from which position.
3. Partners - even allies - constantly interfere with actions (read: they block your actions. I.e. she's already fingered bby someone, so you can't fuck her). While this can be turned off manually, doing so again is slow and frustrating, because of the above mentioned limitations of the standard button-interface. And one has to turn it off manually for every single involve actor, AND it costs one turn per actor.

Combine all three of the above, and you get more than the sum of the parts (in a bad way). I have no real solution for #3, other than player actions automatically overriding those of others (especially when you're in the dominant role).

For #1 i think sex-positioning needs a dedicated custom interface. #2 can build right on such an interface, by displaying which actions will be available, while you configure a new position.

 

[Duke Greene]

What in your opinion is better? A wall of text, static graphics and/or animations? Just curious.

This is very subjective. Personally I dislike animations because I find them distracting but other people swear by them and almost refuse to play a game without them.

I tend to favor static graphics + dialogue but in a game like LT with so much customization for characters plain text a la CoC is the more feasible solution.

 

[crash.7ds]

Her reasoning was to balance the game. The setting can be turned off in the 'Content Preferences' screen. Just checked, the 'Shattered enchantments' sets Maximum health and aura to 1, and corruption to 100. It shouldn't mess with other stats.

I guess it shouldn't be too surprising that the chief complaint I heard was that it was poorly balanced, but then again I haven't played in forever, so I have a feeling that was largely hyperbole. Most of what I hear now is either indifference or slightly positive. It was the same with the combat overhaul which I know even less of besides the reactions.

To be fair, I'm an Eve vet going on over a decade and I can attest to people capable of showing deep-seeded disdain for any balancing alteration to the way a game works, regardless of actual merit for said changes, just because people seem to hate having to adapt to changing environments in gameplay. People don't like it when CCP (Eve's devs) dicks with the way things work, even if what they are doing makes things better or more interesting. Doesn't help that Eve is as old as it is, which in turn means we have a broad mix of players from older ones like myself and ones that just showed up less than a month ago. That means wildly differing perspectives on what's good or bad for Eve and the playerbase. It is what it is.

Stick around in Eve long enough and you'll realize that changes that can be an upset are actually sorely needed to keep Eve from dying of atrophy and content stagnation. It gives us older players something new to bite down on and newer players who may have given Eve a pass might be willing to give it another chance. Anyways, sorry I'm rambling.

 

[Anon21]

You had permanent increase with potions in the old system. Now you can enchant your gear for bonus.

Yeah, permanent bonuses from potions would be way too overpowered. Aura enchantment seems pretty weak so far, though, but I guess it's a work in progress.

 

[gaikotsu3]

Yeah, permanent bonuses from potions would be way too overpowered. Aura enchantment seems pretty weak so far, though, but I guess it's a work in progress.

Aura does seem weak, but Arcane enchantment is stronk. Since each level of Arcane enchantment gives as much aura as an Aura enchantment, plus more bonuses, there's no reason to enchant Aura until you cap Arcane afaik.

 

[Shilou]

13 JAN 06:02

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Hello again!

Unfortunately, the writing for Axel's quest is taking me longer to get finished than I'd hoped, and so this next update isn't quite in a state ready for release just yet. I've pushed what I have to the

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so that you can see that progress is being made, and it shouldn't be too much longer now until I get it all finished.

Sorry once again for how long this Axel quest is taking to get done...

 

[Duarchy]

I don't really mind the non-unique sex for non-unique enemies. I personally see it as more a tool to help you visualise what you wanna do. I do think unique characters deserve to have unique sex scenes more "spoon fed" to you though. In regards to faults with the system, the face that Quick Sex doesn't account for desired no. of orgasms is kinda lame. And it's also kinda lame you can't set some hard and fast rules in Quick sex to only allow a certain kind of sex and not another. i.e. you're trying to hold onto a type of virginity.

It's really really lame that your companions can end sex for you, instead of just tapping out into spectator mode.