Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.10.7 Hotfix] [Innoxia]

[Sarkath]

And even then, it'd be faster and easier to port the game to a competent engine than try to fix this one. Just ask the person trying to fix this one. It's not going well lol

sup

Honestly, most of the reason my forward progress more or less stopped is due to my day job. I have a few ideas on how I can make LT's scheduler and status system more efficient, but one can only bash their head against a keyboard for so many hours a week before they start to feel a little dizzy.

As far as a complete rewrite is concerned…well, the thought's crossed my mind. The problem is that despite Inno's technical design decisions being a bit sus, it's pretty clear to me that a lot of thought went into character interactions and the like. It's kind of surprising just how granular this game can get, even with the transformation system in mind. I get the impression that if Inno were in a situation where they could have written a detailed design document and handed it to a seasoned programmer, this baby would have been solid gold.

Damn. I thought there was a chance

Honestly, even if you were able to get it working (there is an Android port of JavaFX, so a relatively direct Android tablet port wouldn't be entirely out of the question, at least from a UI perspective), the game's performance and memory consumption can get pretty outrageous at times. You'd need a pretty high end SoC with a lot of RAM to really run it well, especially when you start to push toward late-game.

One issue is that while Innoxia is definitely not a professional making a professional product, I like to take a broader structural approach to these sorts of things and one takeaway I frequently hear from amateur programmers/designers/etc. is that Java is an absolute goddamn cesspit of a system and will murder every project of depth you will ever be able to dream of and initially implement. It just seems really bad.

Speaking as a diehard C# fanboy: Java is fine. There are aspects of it that feel a bit backwards to me due to the language itself not evolving as quickly as C++ and C# have in recent years, but I've been diving into LT's, uh, questionable code and didn't really have too many issues getting used to everything. Most of the issues here are with LT itself, not Java (and I'm referring to the language, the framework, and the surrounding ecosystem).

As for a practical example: I'd argue that the JetBrains IDEA-based IDEs are some of the best on the market and they're written in Java.

 

[BryanDanielson]

Innoxia just posted an update:

Spoiler: Back at it

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Yes, she just posted this on April Fool's Day.

 

[davethewizard]

The worst part is, she'd be less stressed if she'd just hire on people to help her put out content more frequently. She'd also make way more money longterm, because consistently putting out high quality content gains subs. I just don't understand the logic. She's taking all this success for granted, and she'll wonder why it left her when it does.

You'd really think she'd bring in some outsiders, especially with the changelog looking like this:

Spoiler: v0.3.20 Patch Notes

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You'd really think she'd see that it might be worth getting help, wouldn't you?

But the ride never ends.

 

[raingirth]

Innoxia just posted an update:

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Yes, she just posted this on April Fool's Day.

Yeah. I really dont know she did this on purpose or something...im just hope that she did not rickrolled us xdd

 

[burningwasteland]

are there any cheats to the game yet?

 

[alukard18]

are there any cheats to the game yet?

you can edit save file for money

 

[throbzombie]

are there any cheats to the game yet?

Type "buggy" at any time to bring up the debug menu.

 

[PopularPersonality]

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Honestly, even if you were able to get it working (there is an Android port of JavaFX, so a relatively direct Android tablet port wouldn't be entirely out of the question, at least from a UI perspective), the game's performance and memory consumption can get pretty outrageous at times. You'd need a pretty high end SoC with a lot of RAM to really run it well, especially when you start to push toward late-game.

I will take a look at that, but why would it use so much RAM? It's a text game just like fenoxo games and they have android versions that run smoothly.

 

[NODOGAN]

Ok guys real question here: which file saves your enchantments? going from 3.19 to 3.20 and i do NOT want to bother and re-do all the work on the Mystery Kink bottles i did in the previous version to get my kinks/my lave's kinks right so yeah...which file do i also need to copy and paste to get my enchantments moved over as well besides saves?

 

[NoStepOnSnek]

Ok guys real question here: which file saves your enchantments? going from 3.19 to 3.20 and i do NOT want to bother and re-do all the work on the Mystery Kink bottles i did in the previous version to get my kinks/my lave's kinks right so yeah...which file do i also need to copy and paste to get my enchantments moved over as well besides saves?

Everything you save goes somewhere in /data, with enchantment templates being individual files in /data/enchantments.

 

[NODOGAN]

Everything you save goes somewhere in /data, with enchantment templates being individual files in /data/enchantments.

Thankyou! i'm a goddam retard tho so all those enchantments are lost now, i'll be sure to keep that the next time this game updates around 2024 so i can keep my enchantment game on point.

 

[IvoryOwl]

I will take a look at that, but why would it use so much RAM? It's a text game just like fenoxo games and they have android versions that run smoothly.

First off, both games were built on different engines. CoC/TiTs were built on Flash (up until recently), whereas LT was built on Java (and a homebrew version at that).

If you want a more detailed explanation, Sarkath and tehlemon have made some really good posts in the past that explain the intricacies of how this game works (and what is wrong with it). Simply put, the game is extremely unoptimized and was designed in such a way that, the longer you play, and the more NPCs you add unto the map (such as through pregnancies) the slower it becomes, to the point even moving a single tile can freeze up the game for several seconds. Also, the saves become easily "bloated" and difficult to manage. All of these things lead to an over-usage of RAM.

If an average PC can have issues running the game, a piddly little phone is not going to cut it. So even if you manage to get an android version running (which is very doubtful), you'd still have glaring performance issues to deal with. In other words, you need to fix the game before you can even consider doing a port.

The difference between Fenoxo and Innoxia, is that the former has more than one game under his belt, a decade of experience and a team to back him up. LT was Inno's first experience as a game developer, made worse by the fact she knew little about coding when she was starting off. And she works alone. Just because they are both text games doesn't mean they work the same way or were designed the same way. And just because one example made a successful android port doesn't mean it's feasible for everyone else too.

Look, I'll be the first to admit that I'm not the most knowledgeable person around... but your post is kind of making me question whether or not you actually have the technical know-how to make a successful port. lol

 

[tehlemon]

I will take a look at that, but why would it use so much RAM? It's a text game just like fenoxo games and they have android versions that run smoothly.

Despite all the shit Fenoxo and crew get for the content and community decisions around their games, they actually know what they're doing as designers and writers.

That's why their games work, whether you like them or not.

But yeah, no point in arguing about why LT uses so much memory and CPU time. It just does. Play the game for a few hours, check your task manager, and then wonder how your phone will survive. And beyond that, try and figure out how you'd possibly make the UI work on a phone sized screen. The scalable elements would be unusably small, but you wouldn't be able to see them because parts of the UI don't scale correctly lol

 

[PopularPersonality]

First off, both games were built on different engines. CoC/TiTs were built on Flash (up until recently), whereas LT was built on Java (and a homebrew version at that).

If you want a more detailed explanation, Sarkath and tehlemon have made some really good posts in the past that explain the intricacies of how this game works (and what is wrong with it). Simply put, the game is extremely unoptimized and was designed in such a way that, the longer you play, and the more NPCs you add unto the map (such as through pregnancies) the slower it becomes, to the point even moving a single tile can freeze up the game for several seconds. Also, the saves become easily "bloated" and difficult to manage. All of these things lead to an over-usage of RAM.

If an average PC can have issues running the game, a piddly little phone is not going to cut it. So even if you manage to get an android version running (which is very doubtful), you'd still have glaring performance issues to deal with. In other words, you need to fix the game before you can even consider doing a port.

The difference between Fenoxo and Innoxia, is that the former has more than one game under his belt, a decade of experience and a team to back him up. LT was Inno's first experience as a game developer, made worse by the fact she knew little about coding when she was starting off. And she works alone. Just because they are both text games doesn't mean they work the same way or were designed the same way. And just because one example made a successful android port doesn't mean it's feasible for everyone else too.

Look, I'll be the first to admit that I'm not the most knowledgeable person around... but your post is kind of making me question whether or not you actually have the technical know-how to make a successful port. lol

Not enough to figure that out apparently. I see why that won't work. Guess i will look for something else to port then.

 

[doomtrack]

At this point I am desperate enough to see this game progress to consider giving my neetbux to some fucker with actual coding skills to see it rewritten.

 

[throbzombie]

Every time I see that four-star rating, I die a little inside.

 

[PussyPassAnon]

Nice Guys gonna be Nice Guys. His name is "Golden Buddy." He's a real bro.

 

[NajaNaga]

Ok guys real question here: which file saves your enchantments? going from 3.19 to 3.20 and i do NOT want to bother and re-do all the work on the Mystery Kink bottles i did in the previous version to get my kinks/my lave's kinks right so yeah...which file do i also need to copy and paste to get my enchantments moved over as well besides saves?

Unless I'm just a dumbass (possible) you shouldn't need to redo everything. I exported previous main characters and slaves across a couple of game versions without any noticeable issues. Depending on how fancy/dressed-up your slaves are or how many you have it could get expensive to pick them up at the auction on a new character, and if they had a non-slave background trait they'll lose that, but it should be fine. And you might be able to edit the desired background back on to them.

 

[Golden_Buddy]

Nice Guys gonna be Nice Guys. His name is "Golden Buddy." He's a real bro.

ah yes anyone giving a good review is a nice guy but to address something that you can't talk about in reviews because of rules wait time between updates they are to damn long and for the updates we get there isn't enough substance to them and what is there is from people like you, mod makers. you guys make great thing that are interesting to mess around with. the more i think about it the lower the score because the game has stagnated to much

 

[mecha_froggy]

The difference between Fenoxo and Innoxia, is that the former can't do one goddamn sex scene without the girl pulling out a magically hidden seven foot cock and ramming it up your MC's ass

FTFY