Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.10.7 Hotfix] [Innoxia]

[TheeSonus]

Shock. Horror. Shock AND horror. A delay? Who could've guessed? Surely not... every single person in this thread. No, impossible. Can't believe this happened.

...even as someone who discovered this game fairly recently, the constant delays have already stopped being funny and become annoying...

 

[BooringSeeker]

"Ah shit, here we go again."

 

[BooringSeeker]

More Progress News

This statement from the title is false. Firstly, because there is nothing "new" in this, and secondly, because there is no "progress" in this. And you can argue with "more", I think...

 

[Muxia]

'I hate to keep doing this to you' This will be understandable only if she did not make so many times of the 'Dealy-Promising Next Week Update-Delay' joke.

I don't get why not just make promised monthly update and then only give some brief progress reports of what she has done through the weeks like some other games' developers.

 

[Simp Cattu]

"Progress news"

So in short:
"I know that my work ethic has been shit so far, but I'm gonna make this post to remind y'all that I will do exactly as I've always been doing just in case my previous post got any of your hope up, just the casual getting side-tracked and chaotic personal issues. I've promised to release versions regardless of their status before, but you know, that would mean I have to work more than 10 lines of code a day, so, bleh"

 

[gurg123]

idunno guys maybe I'm late on this but atleast the dude is just delaying shit instead of rushing content that only appeals to the developers and like 20% of the people, like with CoC2. better some late-ass updates then straight up vitriolic spite writing cause "muh oc's!!1!"

 

[srg91]

idunno guys maybe I'm late on this but atleast the dude is just delaying shit instead of rushing content that only appeals to the developers and like 20% of the people, like with CoC2. better some late-ass updates then straight up vitriolic spite writing cause "muh oc's!!1!"

You must be new here

 

[Carl0sDanger]

idunno guys maybe I'm late on this ...

This dev has a history of broken promises as far as getting work done goes. I literally cannot remember a single instance of her meeting a deadline.

And before you start in with the, "Well, it's not like it's her job or anything." defence, it's literally her job. She outright promised her subscribers she would treat development of this game as a full-time job if she met a particular threshold of support. She has long since met and exceeded that threshold.

At this stage in development, Inno should have a working game engine that she is using to crank out content in a preplanned story arc. Instead, Inno is constantly fighting an engine that really needs to be rebuilt from scratch while dealing with what appears to be either extreme writers block or utter laziness.

 

[chichong]

I might get a lot of bashing for this, but consider this hypothetical situation.

Two friends work for some software company. One of them is better at the job. The other have imagination and charm. Because of that, 70-80% from work is made by the first guy. But it's ok, they are tight, no one seem to be bothered of the situation.

The second guy comes with an idea about a game - yeah, you are starting to get it now. He involves his friend in the project, and the friend lies down the framework. Because the idea is good, money start to pour. The second guy quits his day job - he earns more than enough from the game.

But he doesn't quite have the skill and knowledge required to push the project forward. So every once in a while he needs to ask his friend for help. Not very often tho, otherwise he will have to share the money. Maybe... once / month, in a weekend? Of course, the friend might not be available monthly - everyone have his own chaotic personal issues life and you can't always stand up when that always needy friend asks for help.

Anyway, being aware of his shortcomings regarding coding, he only releases hard-coded updates. He doesn't like modders - they might start criticizing the spaghetti code he ended up with or - heavens forbid - they might actually bring improvements to the game. Or even worse - they might release in days what he dragged for years.

What do you think, guys? Sounds familiar?

 

[Wolfdragon20]

I might get a lot of bashing for this, but consider this hypothetical situation.

Two friends work for some software company. One of them is better at the job. The other have imagination and charm. Because of that, 70-80% from work is made by the first guy. But it's ok, they are tight, no one seem to be bothered of the situation.

The second guy comes with an idea about a game - yeah, you are starting to get it now. He involves his friend in the project, and the friend lies down the framework. Because the idea is good, money start to pour. The second guy quits his day job - he earns more than enough from the game.

But he doesn't quite have the skill and knowledge required to push the project forward. So every once in a while he needs to ask his friend for help. Not very often tho, otherwise he will have to share the money. Maybe... once / month, in a weekend? Of course, the friend might not be available monthly - everyone have his own chaotic personal issues life and you can't always stand up when that always needy friend asks for help.

Anyway, being aware of his shortcomings regarding coding, he only releases hard-coded updates. He doesn't like modders - they might start criticizing the spaghetti code he ended up with or - heavens forbid - they might actually bring improvements to the game. Or even worse - they might release in days what he dragged for years.

What do you think, guys? Sounds familiar?

ok but what's your point?

 

[tehlemon]

idunno guys maybe I'm late on this but atleast the dude is just delaying shit instead of rushing content that only appeals to the developers and like 20% of the people, like with CoC2. better some late-ass updates then straight up vitriolic spite writing cause "muh oc's!!1!"

It's funny you say that...

This dev has a history of both.

They do nothing for long periods of time, and then also rush out a bunch of garbage that only appeals to a couple people at a time. The joke for a long time was that the dev would do nothing until the pot started boiling, and then would release another niche subrace that someone else wrote and call it an update.

 

[sgb3]

I just drop in here every couple months to marvel at the comedy that is Inno and Lilith's Throne. The funniest part is Inno could flat out admit that no work was done since the last update post. No vacation, no sickness, no 'I got sidetracked lol'. Just, 'fuck you I didn't do any work on this game for weeks; deal with it, you'll keep paying me anyways.' And her monthly subs wouldn't change by even $1.

As much as people shit on Inno, who deserves all of it, it's the idiot subs that encourage this circus to continue. Any other dev on the planet would kill to have a fanbase this stupid.

 

[gaikotsu3]

They do nothing for long periods of time, and then also rush out a bunch of garbage that only appeals to a couple people at a time. The joke for a long time was that the dev would do nothing until the pot started boiling, and then would release another niche subrace that someone else wrote and call it an update.

While it is accurate that Inno will take content and mods made by other people and add it to the game, I think that you're being

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[Draupnir7]

I might get a lot of bashing for this, but consider this hypothetical situation.

It's familiar up until the 'two friends' part. Dodging the obvious joke, Inno has stated they prefer working alone so as to preserve the vision they have for the game. Which does have a nugget of truth to it, but it is also bullshit.
There are a good few splayed chalk outlines of games out there that had teams working on them until they suddenly and violently didn't. Pay disputes, differences of vision, revelations of criminal activity, I know there has to have been at least one team out there destroyed through differing political opinions. The more moving parts something has, the more ways it can go spectacularly wrong.
With one person only at the helm, a project moves slower, but it stays together longer. Potentially.
On the other hand, Inno will cheerily add other peoples' work to the game to make the updates bigger. Technically not working together with someone, but it is still someone else doing that work developing something for the game.

No vacation, no sickness, no 'I got sidetracked lol'. Just, 'fuck you I didn't do any work on this game for weeks; deal with it, you'll keep paying me anyways.'

I think that one would shake a few of the smarter suckers loose, but not enough to make a dent. Or a point.

 

[gurg123]

Man I always try to come in positive on these threads. but the more I do research the worse and worse it looks. Heaven forbid people just have fun and make a good project and if they get tired hand it off to people who care. but I guess asking for people to care about their beat-ma-meat game is hard especially once stable cash starts to flow it seems...

 

[Muxia]

Man I always try to come in positive on these threads. but the more I do research the worse and worse it looks. Heaven forbid people just have fun and make a good project and if they get tired hand it off to people who care. but I guess asking for people to care about their beat-ma-meat game is hard especially once stable cash starts to flow it seems...

I am very shocked that people (at least her supporter) are so tolerant and makes those delay even become an unstoppable tradition. It is clear that the developer and the supporter are living in another spacetime and their time-flowing speed are different from ours. Even worse, their moral understanding of breaking promises is also diverse from ours.

 

[CreamyFinger]

the java version is so laggy for me,is it just me or same for everyone?

 

[Saiaxs]

the java version is so laggy for me,is it just me or same for everyone?

Nah the Java version is terrible

 

[qwsaq]

I am very shocked that people (at least her supporter) are so tolerant and makes those delay even become an unstoppable tradition. It is clear that the developer and the supporter are living in another spacetime and their time-flowing speed are different from ours. Even worse, their moral understanding of breaking promises is also diverse from ours.

As long as something is subsidized, you're gonna get more of it.
Innoxia gets payed to delay releases and pump out inconsequential "content" when releases do happen. So they will continue to do just that so long as people continue funding it.

 

[retardo]

Don't worry guys, sure Innoxia delayed the update for months already and released it as a preview build to patreons only unless you build it for yourself. Sure Innoxia delayed the actual release for a couple weeks, but THIS time, SURELY it will come out on the 25th, and will have ferals, main quest content actually finished, and more, and not just be a bunch of other peoples content stapled on!