Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.10.7 Hotfix] [Innoxia]

[Draupnir7]

So, tried the game out and don't really get what people like in it. Like I loved coc and tits but this feels really shallow. Like the sex is just there. Like you can do a lot but everything feels the same no matter with who you interact with. Combat is really simple and selling stuff is just a pain. I get the idea and it has great building blocks but feel like we are missing a lot to make a good game.

Yeah, that is the issue with a game with randomly-generated NPCs. CoC/TiTS have scenes written for characters, LT has scenes written for a load of dice rolls. CoC/TiTS' scenes are comparatively well-written, but you are locked down to whatever the scenes are that have been written for that character.
The appreciation for Lilith's Throne comes in the ability to create a bevy of characters suited specifically to your own tastes, from appearance to fetishes. Apply a little mental elbow grease (because Inno will not apply the real stuff) and you can sort of paint over the boiler-plate sex scene descriptions to appeal to what you are after in the moment, aided a little by the description in-game.

If it feels like a lot is missing, that's because it is! The main thing missing is overall progress. A lot of overall progress. The problem at this point, outlined perfectly by Inno herself time and time again, is in deciding what is actually needed in the game.

 

[GammaXai]

So, tried the game out and don't really get what people like in it. Like I loved coc and tits but this feels really shallow. Like the sex is just there. Like you can do a lot but everything feels the same no matter with who you interact with. Combat is really simple and selling stuff is just a pain. I get the idea and it has great building blocks but feel like we are missing a lot to make a good game.

The appeal was the sex engine, it has worked better in the past or at least had some more potential back then.

 

[xfto]

The engine and the possible shenanigans you could do with the slave/management system on the long run too...but numbers hard, work hard, inno soft.

 

[Eeliejun]

Yeah, that is the issue with a game with randomly-generated NPCs. CoC/TiTS have scenes written for characters, LT has scenes written for a load of dice rolls. CoC/TiTS' scenes are comparatively well-written, but you are locked down to whatever the scenes are that have been written for that character.
The appreciation for Lilith's Throne comes in the ability to create a bevy of characters suited specifically to your own tastes, from appearance to fetishes. Apply a little mental elbow grease (because Inno will not apply the real stuff) and you can sort of paint over the boiler-plate sex scene descriptions to appeal to what you are after in the moment, aided a little by the description in-game.

If it feels like a lot is missing, that's because it is! The main thing missing is overall progress. A lot of overall progress. The problem at this point, outlined perfectly by Inno herself time and time again, is in deciding what is actually needed in the game.

For sure! The biggest problem with CoC and TiTS is how restricted it is to what is written if you do something special but it is not added to the scene you are out of luck. Like being a centaur is just having no scenes. I get the idea and like it too to be able to apply what you want. Maybe it is me but have no idea how to fix the scene without doing a insane amount of work. Like it is fun for a bit but if you have the same-sex scene at the start of the game and then at the end you have one with for example 10 options more will it make it good?

Hopefully the dev will make something that work in the end for all people because the idea is great but the biggest problem is that it feels empty in the core systems.

 

[Eeliejun]

The appeal was the sex engine, it has worked better in the past or at least had some more potential back then.

It did? What changed and why was it changed? Same for the companion system strange to hear it was removed.

 

[BobCarter]

That said, it might be possible to add more challenge and consequence to the game, but at the risk of alienating the casuals who pay for this venture. Not to mention that everyone who could impliment it without tanking performance either want a cut of the 7k a month Inno gets (understandable) or are banned from the Discord channel. Both in some cases.

To be fair it also has the bigger issue of just meaningless rewards, any gear you find which is meant to be boss loot drops and stuff, is just ass. Because much like skyrim, you can just make a better item using whatever clothing is laying around. The enchantment limit is 100 different per item, which is beyond what you'll never use since you have a enchantment point limit.

Your always swimming in essence since legit just about everything gives you it, no pound cost or whatever the currency is, no limit on how strong a item can be.

It's the kind of issue that smart dev or game master would have fixed years ago. Make an enchantment cost money and use an item to create them, remove the point cost for NPC gear or just heavily nerf player enchantments, a limit of say 1 type of enchantment per player made item would work. Bit like the slot system of Old D&D. You could also if you want to put effort into it (big if I know) force players to learn each different enchantment, either from books or disenchantment.

Cus as is why would you buy a 10k neckless that gives a +10 mana, when I can just enchant a +10 Arcane tie or sock or watch or whatever for free. (or more likely a +50)

 

[EmDotRand]

To be fair it also has the bigger issue of just meaningless rewards, any gear you find which is meant to be boss loot drops and stuff, is just ass. Because much like skyrim, you can just make a better item using whatever clothing is laying around. The enchantment limit is 100 different per item, which is beyond what you'll never use since you have a enchantment point limit.

Your always swimming in essence since legit just about everything gives you it, no pound cost or whatever the currency is, no limit on how strong a item can be.

It's the kind of issue that smart dev or game master would have fixed years ago. Make an enchantment cost money and use an item to create them, remove the point cost for NPC gear or just heavily nerf player enchantments, a limit of say 1 type of enchantment per player made item would work. Bit like the slot system of Old D&D. You could also if you want to put effort into it (big if I know) force players to learn each different enchantment, either from books or disenchantment.

Cus as is why would you buy a 10k neckless that gives a +10 mana, when I can just enchant a +10 Arcane tie or sock or watch or whatever for free. (or more likely a +50)

Funny you should mention that. Part of that one mod beta is a balance pass, reducing the limit to 10 while making enchantments both more potent and more expensive. You can still have your rose enchanted with +50 Arcane and Physique, but it costs a couple thousand essence. Even funnier is that reducing the enchantment limit also reduces the size of save files and therefore the load times.

 

[tehlemon]

So, tried the game out and don't really get what people like in it. Like I loved coc and tits but this feels really shallow. Like the sex is just there. Like you can do a lot but everything feels the same no matter with who you interact with. Combat is really simple and selling stuff is just a pain. I get the idea and it has great building blocks but feel like we are missing a lot to make a good game.

When I first found this game, it looked like something that could go somewhere.

And then it didn't.

Honestly, if it took more than a minute to check this thread I probably would have forgotten about it entirely at this point. And I'm still on this site for a couple other games, so I might as well.

 

[CalebSyndartheDragon]

I hope that eventually when or if this game is finished that's actually good because one thing I LOVE about this game is the sheer amount of player customization you have is unsurpassed. I mean the fact that you can have breast milk or cum be any color you want it to be and that you can even change the properties of it is just so damn cool to me!

Plus I can actually be a Dragon in this game unlike COC 2 and you can become a full on Demon in this game without consequences also unlike COC 2, so hopefully the game gets finished and the fact that is game is moddable and can make the game even better.

So one day hopefully or eventually I look forward to the day this game gets finished.

Because in my opinion as far as it stands when this game is or ever gets finished it will be objectively better than COC2 and maybe TITs but let me not get ahead of myself of course.

This game has its flaws, yes but they pale in comparison to the Flaws of COC 2 without a doubt period!

 

[Wolven Moonlight]

Sooo Silence & Shadow got artwork, but you can't interact with them yet or see all of the artwork as of now?

 

[Infinatious]

Sooo Silence & Shadow got artwork, but you can't interact with them yet or see all of the artwork as of now?

Not yet. Their interactions will (read: have a small chance) of being added in the next update. As for when that update is, I don't think even Inno themself knows.

 

[Wolven Moonlight]

Not yet. Their interactions will (read: have a small chance) of being added in the next update. As for when that update is, I don't think even Inno themself knows.

Well artwork is more attention than the got for a year or so, groundwork for content is still something.

 

[BeholdTheWizzard]

Does anyone know how to edit sex scenes/encounter to other people in the room to it?

I can already tweak existing actors, but how to add? Is it even possible?

 

[GammaXai]

It did? What changed and why was it changed? Same for the companion system strange to hear it was removed.

I think the two issues are intertwined. I don't have any proof but I'm going with 'super donors' happened as those were the kind of changes where you just tell the suggester to go away unless they are a big chunk of your bank.

I believe the sex system originally used a weighted random choice to decide what sex act NPCs wanted to do next during sex, it worked well enough in terms of reading like real sex with varied choices and NPCs behaved fairly well when the player was not the controller for many acts. I think someone complained their fetish combination was never rolling unless they made the NPC hate many of the vanilla acts so the system was tweaked repeatedly getting worse or buggy before reaching the point it currently is.

The changes made NPCs overly focused on what they love/want which made the sex duller and either it was added or was always there but it brought forth an issue of NPCs quitting sex because they couldn't do what they wanted as the controller and apparently just having them jack/jill themself off over your defeated form to completion or until you were done with a different enemy NPC wasn't Innos solution. The leaving sex issue got much worse if your brought a partner as they would seem to hyper focus on the PC when Partner should be a valid choice for their fetishes or act.

The second was the non-humanoid body types, it made the 'I can't do what I want so I'm leaving the sex' issue much worse especially with partners as you needed specific poses for specific acts.

Partners also didn't do so well with the combat overhaul as they went from often getting beaten up to just almost always being knocked out in the first round.

 

[tehlemon]

I hope that eventually when or if this game is finished that's actually good because one thing I LOVE about this game is the sheer amount of player customization you have is unsurpassed. I mean the fact that you can have breast milk or cum be any color you want it to be and that you can even change the properties of it is just so damn cool to me!

Plus I can actually be a Dragon in this game unlike COC 2 and you can become a full on Demon in this game without consequences also unlike COC 2, so hopefully the game gets finished and the fact that is game is moddable and can make the game even better.

So one day hopefully or eventually I look forward to the day this game gets finished.

Because in my opinion as far as it stands when this game is or ever gets finished it will be objectively better than COC2 and maybe TITs but let me not get ahead of myself of course.

This game has its flaws, yes but they pale in comparison to the Flaws of COC 2 without a doubt period!

CoC2 put outs the same level of content every month that LT gets about every year. They're going to be on CoC5 or 6 before LT is done.

 

[BobCarter]

Funny you should mention that. Part of that one mod beta is a balance pass, reducing the limit to 10 while making enchantments both more potent and more expensive. You can still have your rose enchanted with +50 Arcane and Physique, but it costs a couple thousand essence. Even funnier is that reducing the enchantment limit also reduces the size of save files and therefore the load times.

Is all the boss gear you find from quests and the like worthless?
I mean I beat 60 imps in 5 waves and only got a perk that lets me do 25% more damage to imps as well. So those rewards are still worthless.

Also record in releases just happened, version TWO new updates, one of which adds some content just came out.

 

[EmDotRand]

Is all the boss gear you find from quests and the like worthless?
I mean I beat 60 imps in 5 waves and only got a perk that lets me do 25% more damage to imps as well. So those rewards are still worthless.

Also record in releases just happened, version TWO new updates, one of which adds some content just came out.

Ok that perk's still useless in the mod. It gives you +100% damage to imps. Yes the same imps you proved you can handle in droves without breaking a sweat. Lots of special gear got crazy stat boosts as to make them not useless and the max values on stats and enchantment capacity were increased to accommodate. The Dark Siren's Amulet, for example, grants +125% spell damage and efficiency, 125 arcane, and 125 corruption. Naturally this buffs some bosses as a result.

As for the update, I'm salty about the elemental nerf. Now I actually have to use one of my braincells to beat foes on Lillith mode.

 

[medassin]

"After having sex with Vicky three times, she will try to dominate you, and if you submit then it will unlock more content with her."

Does anyone know how to sex with her? She is the ower 'Arcane Arts', i think.

 

[aspar4gus]

"After having sex with Vicky three times, she will try to dominate you, and if you submit then it will unlock more content with her."

Does anyone know how to sex with her? She is the ower 'Arcane Arts', i think.

iirc other than shop options there's also interaction option to show weakness or something like that, which i guess would arouse her

 

[BobCarter]

Ok that perk's still useless in the mod. It gives you +100% damage to imps. Yes the same imps you proved you can handle in droves without breaking a sweat. Lots of special gear got crazy stat boosts as to make them not useless and the max values on stats and enchantment capacity were increased to accommodate. The Dark Siren's Amulet, for example, grants +125% spell damage and efficiency, 125 arcane, and 125 corruption. Naturally this buffs some bosses as a result.

As for the update, I'm salty about the elemental nerf. Now I actually have to use one of my braincells to beat foes on Lillith mode.

The beta versions the one linked in your flair right?
Oh yeah also the posts about the beta of that mod have all been deleted by the jannies it seems