Dman1791

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Devil's advocate: Do SubscribeStar's tiers show the amount paid ($5 tier costs $5, creator gets, say, $4) or the amount the creator receives ($5 tier costs $7 or whatever, creator gets $5)? If it's the latter, Inno's almost certainly lying, but if it's the former then she's getting a fair bit less than a straight multiplication shows.

Either way it's a lot of money to be sitting on your ass barely doing anything, but she might not be lying in this particular case.
 

Arkus86

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A rare direct Innoxia response to hostile critique, and a curious claim. Thoughts?

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To be fair, I assume the amount shown is before SubscribeStar takes its cut and before taxes.
But regardless, considering the base amount is still well above the average salary in UK where I believe she lives, it is no excuse.
Edit: It's also more than double of what Inno herself declared - and indeed still claims on the same page - would allow her "financial security", so...
 
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Elicusneh

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Technically, she could. But she does not want to share the cake with anyone. From what I hear and see, most would-be contributors have to wait for up to several years for their contribution to be even considered, and even then it's mostly minor fixes.

A while back there actually was an initiative on her discord (and not even from Inno herself) to get writing contributions, but even that outright stated even if your proposal gets pre-approved and you do all the work to get it implemented, it can take "two or more years" before it gets merged in, with no guarantee it ever will.
In my opinion I think that Inno may be being truthful, making considerably less than what we're seeing- but it's not like the amount matters at this point really.

While the amount does matter as the bigger the amount the more damage it'd be dealing. But at the end of the day it isn't even an issue of the damage dealt really but that Inno is taking money and just not delivering. If we treat it as her behaviour being "actually not that bad because she isn't making as much" then we're already off the wrong foot.

If she just delivered, even if the amount of work was small it'd be fine, I think everyone would be happy and content if she was honest and said "I've added a small scene that you can find here." or "here's a few sneak-peaks for whats coming next" or even just "I'm currently planning on doing this and this is what I'm thinking of doing."

But there's no real energy or involvement, no real communication, no real understanding apart from "I'm sorry I missed the deadline, I'm going to deliver the content sooon!!!!.", The fact that no work, no sneak-peaks, no communication apart from setting a deadline and missing it. After it happens on the dozenth time most people go from "Inno is struggling to get work done" to just "Inno is lazy as fuck" and I can't say I blame them.

EDIT - Sorry I quoted you wrong on accident. lol
 

Lui Tomo

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I'm just shocked nobody has made a game similar to this with this level of quality (or even more, honestly, since that bar is very low). If they did, Inno's income doing nothing shows they'd make head over heels in money. It's not exactly the most complex of ideas either. She's already laid the groundwork for the systems (even if combat is abysmal). It's mostly just writing.
 

Draupnir7

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I'm just shocked nobody has made a game similar to this with this level of quality (or even more, honestly, since that bar is very low). If they did, Inno's income doing nothing shows they'd make head over heels in money. It's not exactly the most complex of ideas either. She's already laid the groundwork for the systems (even if combat is abysmal). It's mostly just writing.
This game and its constant delays have spawned similar projects, but they have not gotten anywhere yet. I assume this is due to the lives and jobs of the new authors getting in the way, since they still need money and at least one of those projects is free-free. Despite her utter inaction, Inno has the leg up in this race, what with seniority and being paid to genuinely sit and do nothing.

Regarding the other projects:
DarthSion98 and jamasty apparently have a joint project in the planning stages, mentioned on page 923.
Bluetooth Popcorn mentioned starting their own project on page 881. That was their last post in the thread and their profile is hidden.
ababcc mentioned starting their own project on page 785, and showed progress pics of 'Erosomnia' on 789. As far as I am aware, this is the farthest an offshoot has gotten.
Technically, I could include Airell, since they stopped in to query people on what they liked about the slavery system so they could use it in their own game 'Love and Corruption', even though it was not inspired by a lack of progress on Lilith's Throne.

Please excuse the lack of links, I am bad at them.
 
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Dman1791

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I'm just shocked nobody has made a game similar to this with this level of quality (or even more, honestly, since that bar is very low). If they did, Inno's income doing nothing shows they'd make head over heels in money. It's not exactly the most complex of ideas either. She's already laid the groundwork for the systems (even if combat is abysmal). It's mostly just writing.
The best alternative I'm aware of is Broken Dreams Correctional Center, which is much more technically impressive due to having animated 2D characters and not grinding itself to a halt with excess data. It is more scifi than urban fantasy, however, which may be either a pro or a con for you. It's much more active update-wise, at least.
 

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A rare direct Innoxia response to hostile critique, and a curious claim. Thoughts?

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My thoughts are that they are both right.

The original poster is just using the raw numbers from Inno's subscribe star page. 111 subscribers at $1, 729 at $5, 185 at $10, gives you about $5,600 a month, which is a rather nice paycheck (Roughly 67K annual).
Inno is right as well, since Subscribe star takes some cash, payment processors take some cash, plus disbursing the funds costs money as well, and probably taxation by the government, so the final payout is a fair amount less than what the subscriptions add up to.

The creator stats section of their Subscribe Star page says they have 790 subscribers, but the different tiers adds up to 1,000-ish, so either a pile of people stopped subscribing recently or the page is just not updating correctly between the subscribers at each tier and the creator stats section.

/shrug
After taxes and withdrawal fees from Subscribe Star, Inno might only be 'taking home' 2k to 2.5k a month, which isn't horrible, but for just sitting around on your ass for months at a time, doing pretty much nothing, that is still a decent paycheck.
 

GammaXai

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Does Lilith Throne got android version?
No. The game uses libraries that are PC only and it is badly optimized so it needs more RAM than most androids have. Also when we hacked together a setup to play on PC remotely from a phone the interface was terrible.
 

eyvgbhunijmwk

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My thoughts are that they are both right.

The original poster is just using the raw numbers from Inno's subscribe star page. 111 subscribers at $1, 729 at $5, 185 at $10, gives you about $5,600 a month, which is a rather nice paycheck (Roughly 67K annual).
Inno is right as well, since Subscribe star takes some cash, payment processors take some cash, plus disbursing the funds costs money as well, and probably taxation by the government, so the final payout is a fair amount less than what the subscriptions add up to.

The creator stats section of their Subscribe Star page says they have 790 subscribers, but the different tiers adds up to 1,000-ish, so either a pile of people stopped subscribing recently or the page is just not updating correctly between the subscribers at each tier and the creator stats section.

/shrug
After taxes and withdrawal fees from Subscribe Star, Inno might only be 'taking home' 2k to 2.5k a month, which isn't horrible, but for just sitting around on your ass for months at a time, doing pretty much nothing, that is still a decent paycheck.
I wonder how the IRS feels about this. Guess ill file and find out sense the have a bounty out on unclaimed income
 

GammaXai

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Is Inno not british? They have an IRS equivalent though.
American, they pretended they were British but then made some claims about being in a life altering natural disaster there only for the government to all but immediately post that the 'disaster' was a nothing burger but please support the few local businesses that sustained minor flooding and will be closed for a week.
 

gembunny

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What do you think is the real reason behind the lack of updates?
I can't remember all of the "juicy lore" of this game's terrible development cycle but assuming life isn't biting her in the fucking ass constantly 24/7 bc that is not possible unless you're somehow despite that funding so in poverty you cannot do shit with the game, the best answer I can give is Inno doesn't know how to Lock In on her own damn game that she's being payed for and has been for many months and years now with a massive following. I was playing when they game was not as bloated as it is now, long before it even had its slavery system, that was YEARS ago and I feel like outside of witnessing that bloat in the settings, the actual game itself hasn't changed much if at all. And that is a bad thing.

This game is supposed to be a full-time job, she gets more than enough to sustain herself, and yet the majority of "updates" have been "Oh sorry but the next update will have to be pushed back further bc *insert life excuse here*" and whatnot.
She doesn't know how to focus on the game, idfk what she has going on but even people with ADHD can get something done if it's of their interest. Story updates are dead bc she won't do the story stuff to move things along, I haven't seen many character updates even outside the damn cat romance quest that I heard was executed terribly. Otherwise it's been bugfixes and the like, but nothing you can actually wanna bite into.

The other issue is she keeps setting these self-proclaimed deadlines that clearly hurt more than they help. Speaking as a procrastinator myself: If you cannot stick to your own damn personal deadlines, literally just stop fucking giving yourself deadlines. A deadline will not make you work faster, it's just putting a time limit on yourself and heavy expectations to achieve what you set out to in that timeframe and when it comes around and you have jack shit WHOOPSIE gotta make up an excuse to her audience paying her for this game and hoping for something to chew on now. And this happens so much I as a long-time procrastinator who only gets things done on my own time actually facepalms so much when I see this.

This is especially damning given she is being paid monthly for this, and her supporters basically get no food in return for giving her money, so to speak. She's starving them.

I'm not saying do the shitty secretly-tiny updates that are so small but are made to sound bigger than they actually are ala CoC2's shitty updates to reach that quota. But Inno needs to stop procrastinating when she's supposed to set out to do what she says she does, and stop giving deadlines to herself that she KNOWS she won't be able to accomplish.

And Imma stress the deadline thing tbh bc no deadlines are better than deadlines you constantly fail to uphold at this point. The thing with THAT now is that without deadlines, we probably wouldn't be getting any updates period bc she will do these long stretches of nothingburger coding with nothing to actually show for it. Assuming you're not doing monthly updates, even smaller smut game devs without deadlines will stuff updates full of content when they come back to life, bc they can work without that pressure. The only pressure is to give a good update to their game for their players, something everyone who creates anything longform deals with. I draw, not for a living, but I create digital art shit and have for over a decade now, sometimes I can make deadlines for drawing events on social media to bring artists together for a singular interest, sometimes I can't, I am aware I can't 100% that so I try not to do that to myself. Unless you're that punctual it will give you a damn migraine.

She also refuses to have anyone help her, and has been doing the majority of this shit herself. I betcha had she got a coding team, she could focus on the actual writing, and they can do the extra heavy lifting, but she refuses to even give that out. She's so insistent on doing this herself, and it's eating into her business. And the game is such spaghetti code now that I bet nobody who does wanna help code even wants to touch that minefield the moment they see it, so that renders a code team potentially moot to get. Nobody wants to clean up a proverbial minefield.

Inno bit off more than she could chew and has been taking advantage of her excuses for eons now. She either needs to accept she needs help, lock the fuck in, or abandon all hope to ye who expects this game to be remotely halfway through at this point.
 
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Carl0sDanger

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Inno bit off more than she could chew and has been taking advantage of her excuses for eons now. She either needs to accept she needs help, lock the fuck in, or abandon all hope to ye who expects this game to be remotely halfway through at this point.
Halfway through?

If you look at the planned outline for this game, we've only just gotten out of the tutorial.

A huge part of the problem with forward story progress is that the engine won't handle it. It was already flat out keeping track of Dominion and Submission. A completed game requires an overhaul of the engine. Even if Inno locked in and just punched out the other areas, the game would just collapse.
 

gembunny

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Halfway through?

If you look at the planned outline for this game, we've only just gotten out of the tutorial.
Yeah you could say I was being "generous" with that. Make that abandon all hope we even get to 10% through the actual story past the tutorial at best. Or maybe 5%. xP

A huge part of the problem with forward story progress is that the engine won't handle it. It was already flat out keeping track of Dominion and Submission. A completed game requires an overhaul of the engine. Even if Inno locked in and just punched out the other areas, the game would just collapse.
There's definitely something wrong there if your game (that again, we aren't even far IN regarding actual content or story content) is officially so unstable you cannot progress through its development at all without fucking the entire thing up. Like how do you even DO that? I've never heard of that being a threat in any other game except this one jfc.

By that point just throw the whole thing out.
 

aspar4gus

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can someone just implement the game's sex system in an nsfw ck3 mod

hear me out:
both have text-based dialog boxes
buttons for picking options

backed by an already fully working game
 
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