Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.11.3 Hotfix] [Innoxia]

[BaloneyAmone]

Honestly with how slow story goes i'm mostly hyped for feral content to be added and see how it affects builds, specially considering some items like the demonstones already have in their description the "can be used by ferals" tag.

From what I can tell, ferals and taur share the triple unarmed damage mechanic, so they'll be similar, though I imagine this could be subject to change. As of now, ferals are just kind of worse than taurs since ferals can't equip clothes, which means you lose out on natural stats from gear, though I imagine this isn't especially impactful.
You can get some spicy damage, though; this is with 100 physique and no soldier buff as a feral wolf.

 

[IvoryOwl]

NajaNaga
Honestly, I'm not surprised. The internet is basically the cesspool of unbridled human emotions; the anonymity provides us safe ground to do and say whatever we please, with little consequence, and that's why things tend to get out of hand. Personally, I've got enough shit in my life as is and there's not a whole lot I can do to improve the situation; having a reason and place to vent my frustrations, even if it's about/towards something completely unrelated, feels almost cathartic.

Sometimes, it's less about the object of our ire and more about unwinding our accumulated feelings. Sometimes it's the culmination of bad things that makes us lose it. I look at people who get mad at things like these the same way I look at those who get angry over sports' games. Those looking for an escapism are capable of investing a lot of emotion into seemingly "unimportant" stuff. Like videogames. LT is a rather unique game that started off with some potential and has devolved into a train wreck. The more knowledgeable and skeptical among us have reasons to believe this game will never be fished at this rate. Ofc someone is going to get mad. Just like they would if their favorite team lost.

 

[NajaNaga]

I really didn't mean for my offhand mention of the effects Inno's dysfunctional strategies have had on themself and the mood of the playerbase to be taken as a statement of personal judgement on individual players.

I think people are fixating a bit on the word "angry" rather than the overall focus of the post.

 

[King_Of_Derp]

NajaNaga
Honestly, I'm not surprised. The internet is basically the cesspool of unbridled human emotions; the anonymity provides us safe ground to do and say whatever we please, with little consequence, and that's why things tend to get out of hand. Personally, I've got enough shit in my life as is and there's not a whole lot I can do to improve the situation; having a reason and place to vent my frustrations, even if it's about/towards something completely unrelated, feels almost cathartic.

Sometimes, it's less about the object of our ire and more about unwinding our accumulated feelings. Sometimes it's the culmination of bad things that makes us lose it. I look at people who get mad at things like these the same way I look at those who get angry over sports' games. Those looking for an escapism are capable of investing a lot of emotion into seemingly "unimportant" stuff. Like videogames. LT is a rather unique game that started off with some potential and has devolved into a train wreck. The more knowledgeable and skeptical among us have reasons to believe this game will never be fished at this rate. Ofc someone is going to get mad. Just like they would if their favorite team lost.

People think they can say anything hiding behind anonymity. I try to keep to what I might say in public (excluding anything to do with porn).

 

[King_Of_Derp]

People on F95 may be beacons of calm rationality (I've seen the Cloud Meadow thread and some of the stuff from several people here that later got deleted, though, so I'm not convinced) but plenty of LT players out there publicly haven't been. Over the course of years, even.

I did start a debate on this thread about American English and European English. That was a weird day.

 

[IvoryOwl]

I really didn't mean for my offhand mention of the effects Inno's dysfunctional strategies have had on themself and the mood of the playerbase to be taken as a statement of personal judgement on individual players.

I think people are fixating a bit on the word "angry" rather than the overall focus of the post.

I've already expressed myself several times on Inno's wrong doings (including her deadlines, the reason why they aren't working, etc) so that's why I chose to focus on the "angry" part. Plus, I'm bored and wanted to talk about something. I mean, it's not like we have a whole lot to discuss about the game at this point... not until another release.

 

[throbzombie]

Nice, there's yet another five-star review posted by some starry-eyes young coomer who certainly hasn't played for very long. How long until LT becomes another Cloud Meadow?

 

[tehlemon]

Okay... Do I need to look up Cloud Meadowy? You all keep mentioning it, and I've never heard of it lol

I've only been here since January. When I say "the playerbase" I mean the entire thing, including the now-gone blog comments and the discord and various other forums that have come up on Google when I was trying to look up how to do this or that in LT. People on F95 may be beacons of calm rationality (I've seen the Cloud Meadow thread and some of the stuff from several people here that later got deleted, though, so I'm not convinced) but plenty of LT players out there publicly haven't been. Over the course of years, even.

There's not really a need to declare "but I'm not mad!" if you know the post wasn't about you, you know? Especially when I'm not even sitting here calling people out, but pointing out that Inno's methods for self-motivation are basically just self-destruction at this point and no one, not even Inno, seems to be happy as a result of them.

That's fair, but there's been plenty of people saying that we're all mad, or being irrational, or taking stuff too seriously directed at this thread, or the people on the blog before we all moved here. Not really directed at me specifically, but all of us as a whole.

This is mostly just a pet peeve of mine. Blame reddit. Anytime you call someone out for stupid trolling or being dumb as hell you get that "hurr durr I made you mad" shit.

I think people are fixating a bit on the word "angry" rather than the overall focus of the post.

Yes, sorry. Like I said, it's a pet peeve of mine lol

 

[Slaanesh Champion]

How long until LT becomes another Cloud Meadowy?

What exactly happened with Cloud Meadow?

 

[throbzombie]

Okay... Do I need to look up Cloud Meadowy? You all keep mentioning it, and I've never heard of it lol

Sorry, my stupid blind ass pressed the Y key for some reason.

What exactly happened with Cloud Meadow?

Barebones, no progress in years, and a 2-star rating because of that. Some progress apparently has been made recently, though.

 

[NajaNaga]

Okay... Do I need to look up Cloud Meadowy? You all keep mentioning it, and I've never heard of it lol

Aside from old dev drama it seemed to be about equal parts "the updates are slow" (very fair criticism, it's not as dysfunctional as LT is about updates and deadlines though so maybe I'm desensitized) and "the porn game has gameplay elements other than pure porn and some people aren't here for that" (different tastes for everyone, I don't mind this part).

It's basically kind of a furry porn Stardew Valley, except a good way from being as polished or complete. I think it's okay. But yeah there is a lot of drama about it.

EDIT: Wait I'm stupid, was that just a typo joke? If so disregard me, I'm a little low on sleep.

Yes, sorry. Like I said, it's a pet peeve of mine lol

My bad, then.

 

[Slaanesh Champion]

Barebones, no progress in years, and a 2-star rating because of that. Some progress apparently has been made recently, though.

Checked it out quickly. In development for 5 years, with near 20 thousands monthly on patreon. Yet, they only released 0.1.2.1... ugh. How the fuck...?

 

[IvoryOwl]

What exactly happened with Cloud Meadow?

I know this is off topic but... a little context. Cloud Meadow is basically the "sucessor" of Breeding Season. IIRC, the artist took off and took their art with them, which led to the destruction of Breeding Season. He/she then decided to make their own project called Cloud Meadow; same type of game, same art style. At the time, Breeding Season was popular AND a cash cow so maybe they were hoping to ride on some of that themselves? *shrugs*

Last time I played it (years ago) it was broken AF, felt very bare bones, and development was moving at a snails' pace. Looks like it hasn't changed all that much.

EDIT: Damn you ninjas! Too fast for my fingers, lol. (Either that or I missed a new page of posts...)

 

[iamnuff]

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Also the "Crit on first usage" i'm going to assume you mean spells? if so those mean they crit automatically if they are the only attack you're using your turn, sorry to say but you're stuck with 3 ap with or without cheats so far.

No, it's "Crit on third usage", but on things that you can't use three times in one turn because they cost 2 AP per use.
Like your All-out-attack, or whatever it's called.

Also, is there a point to blocking? From what I can see, it blocks like 7hp damage, but even a basic melee attack deals around double that.
If you actually spec into melee then a melee attack can do 20-damage per turn easily.
What stat governs the block action, or is it just a waste of a turn?
Same for resist, I guess.

 

[NODOGAN]

From what I can tell, ferals and taur share the triple unarmed damage mechanic, so they'll be similar, though I imagine this could be subject to change. As of now, ferals are just kind of worse than taurs since ferals can't equip clothes, which means you lose out on natural stats from gear, though I imagine this isn't especially impactful.
You can get some spicy damage, though; this is with 100 physique and no soldier buff as a feral wolf.
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Daaaaamn nice damage done! truly cannot wait (which is a special curse with this game lol) to try out some Feral Builds of my own, i'm guessing they'll be centered around collars or maybe tattoos getting the most of the enchantments.

 

[NODOGAN]

No, it's "Crit on third usage", but on things that you can't use three times in one turn because they cost 2 AP per use.
Like your All-out-attack, or whatever it's called.

Also, is there a point to blocking? From what I can see, it blocks like 7hp damage, but even a basic melee attack deals around double that.
If you actually spec into melee then a melee attack can do 20-damage per turn easily.
What stat governs the block action, or is it just a waste of a turn?
Same for resist, I guess.

Blocking is pretty much something for first levels/before you get actual defences mechanic, also if you block 3 times in a row you crit block making it so you can raise your defence to 28 health block (health means it blocks damage from any source except lust) also not sure 100% but i think that 7hp block increases the better your physique is? again not fully sure on that.

 

[NODOGAN]

just me or elemental defender is a shitty perk/one of the few that needs updating? (as far as i get it just gives ya a +1 shielding to all elemental damage types...am i using it wrong?)

 

[Mathesar]

Blocking is pretty much something for first levels/before you get actual defences mechanic, also if you block 3 times in a row you crit block making it so you can raise your defence to 28 health block (health means it blocks damage from any source except lust) also not sure 100% but i think that 7hp block increases the better your physique is? again not fully sure on that.

But is there really a point to doing that since you always move first? It can be helpful if you have healing over time, but that seems like it's about it.

 

[NODOGAN]

But is there really a point to doing that since you always move first? It can be helpful if you have healing over time, but that seems like it's about it.

Again, is only usefull during the first few levels where you might need to do "Damage Regulation"C(aka: Reduce the damage you're tacking somewhat to not die before your opponent does) i tend to use it to block and let the Regenerator perk heal me when i'm too low on health, but by the time i'm level 13 or so that tactic is already useless since i've made enough money to enchant my clothes and make them give me an actual shield so i can focus on attacking.

 

[tehlemon]

All these discussions on tactics are lost on me. I can hit level three on the first night, and then be level 50 with infinite money and full enchants before ever seeing combat again. And like, there's a half dozen ways to pull that off. And the only way around those methods is gimping yourself to "grind out random encounters forever", which doesn't actually require any tactics or thought until you're doing the demon packs. But you won't bother doing those until you're finished with the game's progression anyways, because it's less of a curve and more of a single platuo.

The game's systems and balance are so bad that it seems like it should all be placeholder, talking about tactics just seems so pointless when its not needed or incentivized at all lol