Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.11.3 Hotfix] [Innoxia]

[ebonheart2319]

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[Slaanesh Champion]

True, but I think what people are talking about is the lack of impact this information has on the emerging story. It's one of the reasons I don't think the Enforcer encounters were a complete waste of time: they actually show differing attitudes depending on what race the MC presents as.

Aside from that, there's not much impact apart from the occasional mention. There's options that come up if you're a slime when you enter the Slime Queen's tower and if you somehow become a full Awoo-girl before meeting Brax, but everything else is mentions in passing, at best. In particular, most NPCs have little to no reaction to even the most profound transformations to the MC.

Personally, I'd prefer fewer transformation options if it meant those options had a more significant effect on the story.

For this, I believe, responsible Inno's discord server and her habit of doing fucking nothing meaningfull with the game. She completely forgot about main plot and all she doing is adding more and more random stuff for about 2 years now.

 

[Slaanesh Champion]

Yeah, I know how it all goes, but wasn't it explained that the spell also kind of changed the past so that Lilith's realm always existed within its little pocket of the universe? That way there could be half-demons like Lilaya born decades before the start of the game.

Yeah again, as I understand it, Lilith's realm exists in its own little pocket cut off from the rest of Earth, like a magical North Korea, so the makeup of the outside world's population isn't really relevant.

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[throbzombie]

It's not a magical realm. The events of the game literally occur in what London has become, it's just isolated from outside world.

That's what I just said.

The events of the game literally occur in what London has become, it's just isolated from outside world. The pocked dimension was a prison in which Lilith and her spawn were confined until, in the prologue of the game, they were released.

I know. That still doesn't address the time manipulation shenanigans that went on for people like Lilaya, who was born a half-demon well before the events of the game, to exist. Lilith's realm obviously occupies its own private timeline as well.

 

[Slaanesh Champion]

For fuck's sake, I KNOW THIS. I said it's cut off from the world *like* a magical North Korea, not that it was its own world. And that still doesn't address the time manipulation shenanigans that went on for people like Lilaya, who was born a half-demon well before the events of the game, to exist. Lilith's realm obviously occupies its own private timeline as well.

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[throbzombie]

Nope, Lilaya were turned into a half demon by Lyssieth. And no, there aren't any different timelines.

No, Lilaya was born as a half-demon some few decades before the beginning of the game. Lyssieth used Lily's soul to make her, but she was born sometime in the 20th century, at the age of 18 like anyone else in Lilith's realm.

I'm also fairly certain that she and Meraxis both recall always having been half-demons born of Lyssieth, but I'm not 100% on that.

 

[Slaanesh Champion]

To fullfill my captain obvious role:
Lilith just mindfucked everyone she could reach and made them think that everything was as it is now.

 

[Slaanesh Champion]

No, Lilaya was born as a half-demon some few decades before the beginning of the game. Lyssieth used Lily's soul to make her, but she was born sometime in the 20th century, at the age of 18 like anyone else in Lilith's realm.

I'm also fairly certain that she and Meraxis both recall always having been half-demons born of Lyssieth, but I'm not 100% on that.

Wait a bit, I'll go reread the main plot right now.

 

[throbzombie]

In any case, for all intents and purposes, Lilith's realm has always existed, and as far as the humans with are concerned, they have only known oppression their entire lives.
---I'll be AFK for a couple hours, going out to eat.

 

[anubis1970]

Does anyone know if anyone is working on any Australian based morphs, i.e. koala, platypus, etc.? I tried looking on the discord but there's a lot of chatter to wade through even on the mod discussion channel.

 

[ebonheart2319]

Wait a bit, I'll go reread the main plot right now.

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[anubis1970]

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A succinct summation, but one minor thing; Arthur is still a human. Only Lily and Meraxis were changed into half-demons.

 

[Slaanesh Champion]

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I have nothing to add or argue about.

 

[tehlemon]

Because you fuckers never paid attention to the main plot.

It's weird being told I didn't pay attention to the main plot by someone who it sounds like didn't pay attention to the main plot

Honestly, I probably paid more attention to it than most people here. Because, if you haven't realized from my multipage rant and ramblings, game writing is the thing I care about.

The initial plot was okay, not great, but okay. Then it turned into a disjointed mess that really only existed to introduce new sandbox features. The writing came off like the writer didn't re-read the stuff they did months before. Like, playing through the main plot, I bet you can spot every individual patch break, because the writing is not consistent and doesn't flow.

And then it ends with a massive exposition dump, and a demon transformation that probably only got added to shut people up and will likely fuck the game going forward, and a massive, multi-year gap in the writing.

And now I'm absolutely excited to read through the next stage of the quest line, but for all the wrong reasons.

 

[Carl0sDanger]

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A succinct summation, but one minor thing; Arthur is still a human. Only Lily and Meraxis were changed into half-demons.

To which I would add that it is stated that there is no chance of reversing what Lilith has done to the world (absent four millennia working on the spell), merely of overthrowing her. It seems the choice the MC has to make going forward is whether they are doing so as a liberator or a conqueror.

 

[IvoryOwl]

Don't forget there are Angels in the equation as well, albeit beaten and severely weakened. I wish we knew what was Inno's idea for the whole story a few years back... would have been interesting to see how it changed/evolved over time.

 

[EmDotRand]

None of the enemies casts spells if they should be able to. Are enemies casting spells not implemented yet? Makes the odd imp that goes all "Bow before my arcane might, mortal!" all the more disappointing.

 

[throbzombie]

Don't forget there are Angels in the equation as well, albeit beaten and severely weakened. I wish we knew what was Inno's idea for the whole story a few years back... would have been interesting to see how it changed/evolved over time.

I doubt that there was really ever some sort of plan. The story is basically a series of ad hoc justifications for various mechanics, bound together with baling twine and faith, just like the game itself.

 

[Lady_Yvraine]

Actually, that reminds me of something that really bothers me about the setting. I apologize if someone already brought this up, but in Lilith's realm, humans are discriminated against for some reason (ludonarrative dissonance occurs when human Enforcers show up, but that's a whole other tangent), but you can just enchant your boxed lunch and become another race entirely, down to the genetic level. So why haven't all the humans just done that, instead of (supposedly) suffering terrible discrimination at the hands of Lilith's racist regime?

Forgetting that to enchant food into transformatives is a process that requires magic, which the vast majority of the population has no access to. It's likely that most humans have to save a lot of money from their daily, discriminated lives in order to buy a commercial transformative (which likely would only give them one racial feature and not the whole transformation, becayse yay, capitalism)/plead a nice enough demon to enchant some food for them.

 

[throbzombie]

Forgetting that to enchant food into transformatives is a process that requires magic, which the vast majority of the population has no access to.

I'm not forgetting that. They can't find somebody who's willing to use their magical powers to enchant items for them? Hell, they have and elder lilin in their corner; you mean to tell me that she can't do anything for them, when she's able to buck Lilith's discriminatory edicts in her territory?

It's likely that most humans have to save a lot of money from their daily, discriminated lives in order to buy a commercial transformative (which likely would only give them one racial feature and not the whole transformation, becayse yay, capitalism)

Also yeah, but people who are really hard up find a way. That's the human spirit. If nothing else, they can always turn to the thriving black market in Submission to get what they need.