Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.11.3 Hotfix] [Innoxia]

[Carl0sDanger]

Most of it you can learn if you pursue the main plot.

True, but I think what people are talking about is the lack of impact this information has on the emerging story. It's one of the reasons I don't think the Enforcer encounters were a complete waste of time: they actually show differing attitudes depending on what race the MC presents as.

Aside from that, there's not much impact apart from the occasional mention. There's options that come up if you're a slime when you enter the Slime Queen's tower and if you somehow become a full Awoo-girl before meeting Brax, but everything else is mentions in passing, at best. In particular, most NPCs have little to no reaction to even the most profound transformations to the MC.

Personally, I'd prefer fewer transformation options if it meant those options had a more significant effect on the story.

 

[throbzombie]

The whole thing with demons and other races started in the prologue, and unfolded into what we see in the game in a span of a few years. Player was transported not into parallel world but into the near future. The only area under direct control of Lilith is London, rather what's become of it, and it's surrounding areas. Demons infiltrated most countries governments and trying really hard to convinve the rest of the world that all is fine and dandy in UK. Also this feature that kids grow super fast is explained as Liliths effort to create overpopulation and force corrupted morphs and demons leave UK and spread around the world, corrupting it in the process.

Yeah, I know how it all goes, but wasn't it explained that the spell also kind of changed the past so that Lilith's realm always existed within its little pocket of the universe? That way there could be half-demons like Lilaya born decades before the start of the game.

So, yeah, the humans are still the most numerous race of the world. All the morphs and demons are just power tripping minority, condensed in one place.

Yeah again, as I understand it, Lilith's realm exists in its own little pocket cut off from the rest of Earth, like a magical North Korea, so the makeup of the outside world's population isn't really relevant.

Human enforcers aren't dissonance, they're straight up bugs if they should happen to appear in current versions.

On the broader topic, keep in mind that while the exact relation between transformation prices and median incomes are unknown, our Awesome Protagonist Powers and the circles we move in almost certainly skew our perspective on how trivial they are.

That is an unsatisfactory explanation. People will go to any lengths to escape oppression; the relatively small economic barriers wouldn't stop them if they were really that hard up.

 

[ebonheart2319]

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[Slaanesh Champion]

True, but I think what people are talking about is the lack of impact this information has on the emerging story. It's one of the reasons I don't think the Enforcer encounters were a complete waste of time: they actually show differing attitudes depending on what race the MC presents as.

Aside from that, there's not much impact apart from the occasional mention. There's options that come up if you're a slime when you enter the Slime Queen's tower and if you somehow become a full Awoo-girl before meeting Brax, but everything else is mentions in passing, at best. In particular, most NPCs have little to no reaction to even the most profound transformations to the MC.

Personally, I'd prefer fewer transformation options if it meant those options had a more significant effect on the story.

For this, I believe, responsible Inno's discord server and her habit of doing fucking nothing meaningfull with the game. She completely forgot about main plot and all she doing is adding more and more random stuff for about 2 years now.

 

[Slaanesh Champion]

Yeah, I know how it all goes, but wasn't it explained that the spell also kind of changed the past so that Lilith's realm always existed within its little pocket of the universe? That way there could be half-demons like Lilaya born decades before the start of the game.

Yeah again, as I understand it, Lilith's realm exists in its own little pocket cut off from the rest of Earth, like a magical North Korea, so the makeup of the outside world's population isn't really relevant.

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[throbzombie]

It's not a magical realm. The events of the game literally occur in what London has become, it's just isolated from outside world.

That's what I just said.

The events of the game literally occur in what London has become, it's just isolated from outside world. The pocked dimension was a prison in which Lilith and her spawn were confined until, in the prologue of the game, they were released.

I know. That still doesn't address the time manipulation shenanigans that went on for people like Lilaya, who was born a half-demon well before the events of the game, to exist. Lilith's realm obviously occupies its own private timeline as well.

 

[Slaanesh Champion]

For fuck's sake, I KNOW THIS. I said it's cut off from the world *like* a magical North Korea, not that it was its own world. And that still doesn't address the time manipulation shenanigans that went on for people like Lilaya, who was born a half-demon well before the events of the game, to exist. Lilith's realm obviously occupies its own private timeline as well.

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[throbzombie]

Nope, Lilaya were turned into a half demon by Lyssieth. And no, there aren't any different timelines.

No, Lilaya was born as a half-demon some few decades before the beginning of the game. Lyssieth used Lily's soul to make her, but she was born sometime in the 20th century, at the age of 18 like anyone else in Lilith's realm.

I'm also fairly certain that she and Meraxis both recall always having been half-demons born of Lyssieth, but I'm not 100% on that.

 

[Slaanesh Champion]

To fullfill my captain obvious role:
Lilith just mindfucked everyone she could reach and made them think that everything was as it is now.

 

[Slaanesh Champion]

No, Lilaya was born as a half-demon some few decades before the beginning of the game. Lyssieth used Lily's soul to make her, but she was born sometime in the 20th century, at the age of 18 like anyone else in Lilith's realm.

I'm also fairly certain that she and Meraxis both recall always having been half-demons born of Lyssieth, but I'm not 100% on that.

Wait a bit, I'll go reread the main plot right now.

 

[throbzombie]

In any case, for all intents and purposes, Lilith's realm has always existed, and as far as the humans with are concerned, they have only known oppression their entire lives.
---I'll be AFK for a couple hours, going out to eat.

 

[anubis1970]

Does anyone know if anyone is working on any Australian based morphs, i.e. koala, platypus, etc.? I tried looking on the discord but there's a lot of chatter to wade through even on the mod discussion channel.

 

[ebonheart2319]

Wait a bit, I'll go reread the main plot right now.

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[anubis1970]

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A succinct summation, but one minor thing; Arthur is still a human. Only Lily and Meraxis were changed into half-demons.

 

[Slaanesh Champion]

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I have nothing to add or argue about.

 

[tehlemon]

Because you fuckers never paid attention to the main plot.

It's weird being told I didn't pay attention to the main plot by someone who it sounds like didn't pay attention to the main plot

Honestly, I probably paid more attention to it than most people here. Because, if you haven't realized from my multipage rant and ramblings, game writing is the thing I care about.

The initial plot was okay, not great, but okay. Then it turned into a disjointed mess that really only existed to introduce new sandbox features. The writing came off like the writer didn't re-read the stuff they did months before. Like, playing through the main plot, I bet you can spot every individual patch break, because the writing is not consistent and doesn't flow.

And then it ends with a massive exposition dump, and a demon transformation that probably only got added to shut people up and will likely fuck the game going forward, and a massive, multi-year gap in the writing.

And now I'm absolutely excited to read through the next stage of the quest line, but for all the wrong reasons.

 

[Carl0sDanger]

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A succinct summation, but one minor thing; Arthur is still a human. Only Lily and Meraxis were changed into half-demons.

To which I would add that it is stated that there is no chance of reversing what Lilith has done to the world (absent four millennia working on the spell), merely of overthrowing her. It seems the choice the MC has to make going forward is whether they are doing so as a liberator or a conqueror.

 

[IvoryOwl]

Don't forget there are Angels in the equation as well, albeit beaten and severely weakened. I wish we knew what was Inno's idea for the whole story a few years back... would have been interesting to see how it changed/evolved over time.

 

[EmDotRand]

None of the enemies casts spells if they should be able to. Are enemies casting spells not implemented yet? Makes the odd imp that goes all "Bow before my arcane might, mortal!" all the more disappointing.

 

[throbzombie]

Don't forget there are Angels in the equation as well, albeit beaten and severely weakened. I wish we knew what was Inno's idea for the whole story a few years back... would have been interesting to see how it changed/evolved over time.

I doubt that there was really ever some sort of plan. The story is basically a series of ad hoc justifications for various mechanics, bound together with baling twine and faith, just like the game itself.