Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.11.3 Hotfix] [Innoxia]

[quanticnoob]

OK legit, I know I am not crazy I was able to get two saves and compare them. The game seems to be swapping Slaves between rooms, and deleting some of them. Is this some mechanic I don't know about, or are slaves broke?

I think this might be related to the problem I had before where Scarlet entered a Limbo state of being owned by me and not being owned by me.

I didn't realize this bug for a while as everytime a slave disappeared I my own memory was at fault, but there something wrong with the game's slave tracking. Also Scarlet went from loving me 100% to despising me out of nowhere. Anyone know a fix? I think it has something to do with me putting slaves into quadruple bedded rooms.

 

[anon8525]

I wonder when/if the game is finally gonna be cancelled because lets be honest: it will never get finished. I'm guessing that it will maybe be put on "hiatus" but actually be abandoned once there isn't enough money coming in anymore.
(Also: I've seen some comments mentioning how it's been in development for years; when did the first version come out?)

you've made me curious so i went to her blog and searched the oldest entries and omg even in 2016 she already had delay after delay

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[3D Reaver]

you've made me curious so i went to her blog and searched the oldest entries and omg even in 2016 she already had delay after delay

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part and parcel

 

[FruitSmoothie]

Yeah this is nothing new. I stopped following this thread so long ago, and I just check in once in a while to see the same complaints about the dev and game development lol. Humans by default do the bare minimum to get by, we're basically programmed for it. It takes constant active effort to do more most the time. If people are paying you to do nothing, why would you work harder? They set the stage for doing the bare minimum super early on, I dunno why anybody would expect a change at this point. A fool and their money are soon parted, etc, etc.

That's one extra benefit of a team, you have people counting on you to get your parts done so they can finish their shit often. I mean sure, they can all choose to be lazy, but I feel like there's some guilt there or expectations from your partners to keep things moving most the time. Almost any one man team I see working on projects ends up taking for fucking ever and we get excuse after excuse. But everybody thinks they'll be the 1% that can actually do shit on their own, lol. I love how everybody calls out the Stardew Valley dev for being a one man team and like nobody else.

If you don't want to play with others, probably an open world sandbox rpg isn't the way to go. Stick to sidescrollers, VNs, and RPGmaker games, lol. That shit is at least reasonable to solo.

 

[BobCarter]

Yeah this is nothing new. I stopped following this thread so long ago, and I just check in once in a while to see the same complaints about the dev and game development lol. Humans by default do the bare minimum to get by, we're basically programmed for it. It takes constant active effort to do more most the time. If people are paying you to do nothing, why would you work harder? They set the stage for doing the bare minimum super early on, I dunno why anybody would expect a change at this point. A fool and their money are soon parted, etc, etc.

That's one extra benefit of a team, you have people counting on you to get your parts done so they can finish their shit often. I mean sure, they can all choose to be lazy, but I feel like there's some guilt there or expectations from your partners to keep things moving most the time. Almost any one man team I see working on projects ends up taking for fucking ever and we get excuse after excuse. But everybody thinks they'll be the 1% that can actually do shit on their own, lol. I love how everybody calls out the Stardew Valley dev for being a one man team and like nobody else.

If you don't want to play with others, probably an open world sandbox rpg isn't the way to go. Stick to sidescrollers, VNs, and RPGmaker games, lol. That shit is at least reasonable to solo.

I think most people are mad more so that they not only refuse to hire people to make content for them, but that they allegedly have in the past targeted people for trying to make content for the game without permission.

 

[IvoryOwl]

So genuinely curious has anyone ever confronted her directly with their concerns?

People have been voicing their concerns for years.

I started following this game back in 2017 - which was a damn long time ago to be remembering all that happened with this community - but I feel like it wasn't always this bad. There were all sorts of posts about Inno's shortcomings and the game's, some gentle, others not so much. When people started to realize all of their comments were falling on deaf ears, that there was no improvement (on the contrary, sometimes it got worse), things devolved from there, occasionally into full blown toxicity.

Nowadays, the community has split into two groups I know of (there are other forums but I'm not wholly familiar with those). Those of us here on F95 and Discord. Neither side gets along with each other. If you go on Discord to talk about the problems this game has, chances are you'll be told to bugger off. Same applies to any Discord-er who comes here to defend Inno and silence us. Inno wrote a long time ago that she reads this thread but I don't know if that's true anymore. She hangs out exclusively on Discord.

I believe Inno as dug herself into a hole she doesn't know how to get out of and it's affecting her health and motivation to work on this. On the other hand, she doesn't necessarily make it easy on herself; she could have hired a team but doesn't want to. She could be more transparent and communicative but isn't. She could learn from her mistakes but doesn't. A chunk of the community lost a great deal of respect for her and her capabilities and there's not a whole lot can she can do (or not do) at this point that won't be criticized either way.

I'll admit our attitude towards the dev isn't exactly healthy nor motivational but I feel like things could have been avoided had Inno been a little more sensible about her methods. Free game or not, it doesn't hurt to have some standards and professionalism, especially when you're being paid to work on this... +7.000$ a month isn't an insignificant amount. At least she doesn't have the crappy attitude YanDev does, and is friendlier towards her fans at Discord. I'll give her that much.

 

[Kalenz123]

Still 0.4

 

[Deleted member 3003679]

you've made me curious so i went to her blog and searched the oldest entries and omg even in 2016 she already had delay after delay

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rip

 

[crash.7ds]

I'm really disappointed. As someone who works in minimum wage bullshit due to a wide variety of factors both in and out of my control, I've never had the luxury to tell my boss "Hey my depression is acting up again, so I'll be taking a few days off of work. No, no, I'll call you when I'm ready to return. You still got my paycheck, right? Cool!"

The way she's abusing mental issues to put extremely minimal effort into the project that pays her rent, buys her groceries, fills her savings account and keeps a torrent of toys from Amazon flowing to her doorstep is gross. If she's really so depressed, then she should just shelf the project already and stop taking people's money to do basically nothing all year. It's clear she's not enjoying actually working on it, and for the sake of good faith I'll assume everything she's saying is true, then it's ruining her life. Not enough for her to find an alternative source of income, however...

If she could find an alternative source that paid as much and took as little effort, I guarantee we'd never hear from her again.

Been working a state job as a correctional officer for 14 months now and even in my job you don't get paid on-time or at all if you don't work enough hours. I could theoretically call in as often as I'd want to and even then I'd still be risking a paycheck. It's just too easy and tempting for a lot of these content creators to malinger and get complacent with their working efficacy without any risks to keep them in check. Hell, I'm admittedly lazy as shit and about as disorganized as anyone with AD/HD and this age of Patreon lunacy frustrates the hell out of me.

 

[jamonserrano]

instead of putting a number after the 0.4. she should put π

 

[Midas24]

Originally, my draw of the game was that it wasn't Fen, and I wasn't really happy with TiTS, which I still think is a shitty game, and that Fen is a psychopath, and has been documented as a psychopath. Beyond that, I just really liked the character creation and the ability to make slaves into characters I like to violate. I think I spent more time raping people and fucking with slaves than the game itself.

I think part of the reason I'm not complaining too much is that I get sidetracked easily, and I still don't think I've actually explored all the content. I just keep going back to obsessing who I'm gonna make next. Maybe that's why I liked Custom Maid so much.

Woah, what the heck did I miss? Psychopath? The heck did that come from?

 

[Icarus Media]

Woah, what the heck did I miss? Psychopath? The heck did that come from?

I'm curious about that claim as well...

 

[ClockworkRBD]

Why is the game so laggy? Even the EXE version seems to have massive performance issues with it taking a long time to do actions such as sleeping, or even just loading into the game.

 

[anon6076]

Is it just me,or are H-games just terrible at PR or even basic human interaction as a whole?

The whole “pay and maybe we deliver” is fucked up, and the amount of mouthbreathers willing to pay month after month after getting nothing is astonishing.
Their reasoning eludes me, an honestly, I am not even sure I want to understand - blessed be the mind too small, what sins they hide to virtue signal that much?

 

[jamonserrano]

Why is the game so laggy? Even the EXE version seems to have massive performance issues with it taking a long time to do actions such as sleeping, or even just loading into the game.

and if you install mods it lasts twice as long

 

[anon6076]

Why is the game so laggy? Even the EXE version seems to have massive performance issues with it taking a long time to do actions such as sleeping, or even just loading into the game.

The codebase is shit. Pure and simple. Its not even spaghetti, it is xzibit pimping spaghetti factory.

 

[doomtrack]

Originally, my draw of the game was that it wasn't Fen, and I wasn't really happy with TiTS, which I still think is a shitty game, and that Fen is a psychopath, and has been documented as a psychopath. Beyond that, I just really liked the character creation and the ability to make slaves into characters I like to violate. I think I spent more time raping people and fucking with slaves than the game itself.

I think part of the reason I'm not complaining too much is that I get sidetracked easily, and I still don't think I've actually explored all the content. I just keep going back to obsessing who I'm gonna make next. Maybe that's why I liked Custom Maid so much.

Can you send me this psycopath stuff in a pm if you don't want to post it publically? I am very curious.

 

[weetweet69]

A couple people brought up their concerns on her SubStar. Here's the most recent example:

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MercurialQuark did indeed make a similar (and even more polite) comment on an older post, but I can't seem to view that without becoming a subscriber. I think they actually received more backlash than this, so maybe attitudes are shifting.

Additionally, Inno's blog used to have comments. She disabled them during 0.4.0's development cycle so that she could focus on updating the game, promising to turn them back on when 0.4.0 was released. To this day, comments are still disabled.

I get that devs have a vision and making indie games is closest to achieving it but as far as it all goes, having someone on in helping with the development wouldn't be hurting the vision, at least not if Inno realized she could have someone as a coder and give them the script and idea of what a scene and area was suppose to be like in the game. The comment saying she's doing fine on main content begs the question in how fine exactly? Inno's been slow on main content compared to other things like throwing in different variant anthros, side quest, and armpit sex. The sandbox content the game has, honestly it's pretty meh compared to what I seen from Flexible Survival and CoC, and the latter managed to get that in the form of someone making a mod for it that tried to put more content into. One wonders what sandbox content is worth pursuing because beyond the one with the police, there isn't much to it since fucking a futanari horsegirl at the casino or dating the harpy matron aren't even my cup of tea and the one with a deranged rebel hiding out in the caves was a 1000 times more interesting simply because it helped with the main plot despite being a side quest than any of the other side quest that reward you with the choice of fucking an NPC.

Originally, my draw of the game was that it wasn't Fen, and I wasn't really happy with TiTS, which I still think is a shitty game, and that Fen is a psychopath, and has been documented as a psychopath. Beyond that, I just really liked the character creation and the ability to make slaves into characters I like to violate. I think I spent more time raping people and fucking with slaves than the game itself.

I think part of the reason I'm not complaining too much is that I get sidetracked easily, and I still don't think I've actually explored all the content. I just keep going back to obsessing who I'm gonna make next. Maybe that's why I liked Custom Maid so much.

Same here, once all the side quest that interested me were done and the main quest came to a grinding halt, all I did do was just take the few anthro waifu slaves I had and gave them the human D. The character creation was also good since it really did give us a choice in what our character was and what they could find attractive compared to CoC where that game made sure your character liked seeing a shark girl stroke her own cock even if you thought there were certain things your character was into and what they weren't into.

 

[Nobles]

I was on the subscribe star, but I dropped off long ago. Partially cause I needed to divert funds to my hololive indulgent. This game got the chop since it seemed to be progressing slowly. My "impression", was just taht Innoixia was just finding it way too hard to code.

I cam to take a look at this thread to see if much has changed.. but my impression from reading a few pages, is progress has gotten worse. Kinda sad cause this game had really good potential. I played CoC way back in the day, and CoC2 is just a dam joke (seriously, where did all the corruption elements go?????) and restricted to 5 levels, doesnt want you to feel your character become powerful at all. But Liliths Throne did seem to be similar to CoC for me. Guess maybe check in, in a years time and see if theres any progress or been axed.

I was kind hoping you could piss on your enemies you defeat, or that long tongue transformations could have some actual use. Guessing neither ? Were a few other ideas I kinda wanted to see in game, but its been awhile and I'd have to remember them.

 

[Sarkath]

I get that devs have a vision and making indie games is closest to achieving it but as far as it all goes, having someone on in helping with the development wouldn't be hurting the vision, at least not if Inno realized she could have someone as a coder and give them the script and idea of what a scene and area was suppose to be like in the game. The comment saying she's doing fine on main content begs the question in how fine exactly?

I've mentioned this before, but given the size of LT's community I think bug/feature bounties would work exceptionally well. Inno would basically scope out a particular project, someone would claim it, and if they delivered the goods they'd get a set amount of money for it. It would allow her to maintain pretty firm control over the project while throwing a line out to the people who are particularly passionate about the game.

The sandbox content the game has, honestly it's pretty meh compared to what I seen from Flexible Survival and CoC, and the latter managed to get that in the form of someone making a mod for it that tried to put more content into.

I maintain the view that most of the lasting appeal of LT is for people to essentially design their character and find their waifu/husbando (or order whichever design they want as a slave), then bonk them whichever way they want. The text in the sex system gives you just enough detail for your mind to fill in the blanks.

This wouldn't be so bad on its own, but the lack of unique sex scenes compared to its contemporaries hurts the experience if you take a step back and look at the product as a whole. As it stands now it's kind of a nice surprise to see characters acting in a unique way during sex scenes, and that sort of thing should be the norm for lore characters.

On top of that, there are just way too many things to account for. The personality trait system, for example, does very little in practice (barring mute, lisp, etc.). Why is that even in the game? I don't think any thought went into just how bloody difficult it would be to actually pull that off in a consistent manner, and, sure enough, it's rarely used. I grepped "PERSONALITY_TRAIT_" in the game's script and here's all of the instances where it's actually used to affect the player's speech:

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I think it's safe to say that axing cruft like that would have been better than discontinuing companions (which actually would serve a purpose in world and character building if it's sufficiently generalized).