Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.11.3 Hotfix] [Innoxia]

[Sarkath]

well the thought process was less so to give them the ability to play and more to refactor the code into something that doesnt make my brain want to die any time I stare into that abyss of pain. Plus I was hoping to kill off most of the javafx stuff so we only need the nashorn framework for the javascript (oh god why is there javascript mixed in with xml) mess.

Hah, yeah, excellent point. Considering the only thing the game is using JavaFX for is hosting WebViews, that's definitely viable.

As far as Nashorn is concerned: last time I was digging through this thing I noticed that the only thing the JavaScript engine is really used for is parsing expressions. Replacing it with an lighter expression parser* might be a good idea.

*I experimented with SpEL a few years ago and that seemed to work fairly well, though I'm not sure how much extra overhead pulling in the Spring library would add. I can't imagine it would be worse than a whole-ass JavaScript library, though.

Phones getting the ablity to play this game was more a bonus afterthought since is UI would be now be hosted via a url like "

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inb4 you Dockerize Lilith's Throne.

 

[Golden_Buddy]

"Accessability? In my spaghetti framework?!"

it's less likely than you think

 

[sojocal]

As far as Nashorn is concerned: last time I was digging through this thing I noticed that the only thing the JavaScript engine is really used for is parsing expressions. Replacing it with an lighter expression parser* might be a good idea.

When yoiu say parsing.... do you mean regex? or Javascript.

 

[Sarkath]

When yoiu say parsing.... do you mean regex? or Javascript.

I guess it's technically JavaScript, but all the game is really doing is shoving a bunch of game variables into Nashorn (the JavaScript interpreter) and using if/else blocks to determine which story blocks to display. The rest of the game's logic is still being done through other means, like Java.

I haven't looked at the source code for a while, but to get an idea of what I mean take a look at the story XMLs. Whenever you see a conditional, that's being parsed by Nashorn.

I suggested (and at one point toyed with) replacing it with a dedicated expression parser like Spring Expression Language to attempt to reduce bloat and increase performance.

The other option would be moving more of the game's scripting into JavaScript, which would give modders a bit more power.

 

[Adimusa]

Is there a mod that puts in pics for the random Chars ?
I mean just like basic pics of the race or something like that

 

[DarthSion98]

I guess it's technically JavaScript, but all the game is really doing is shoving a bunch of game variables into Nashorn (the JavaScript interpreter) and using if/else blocks to determine which story blocks to display. The rest of the game's logic is still being done through other means, like Java.

I haven't looked at the source code for a while, but to get an idea of what I mean take a look at the story XMLs. Whenever you see a conditional, that's being parsed by Nashorn.

I suggested (and at one point toyed with) replacing it with a dedicated expression parser like Spring Expression Language to attempt to reduce bloat and increase performance.

Nashorn after running LT:

The other option would be moving more of the game's scripting into JavaScript, which would give modders a bit more power.

That would never happen, lol.

Is there a mod that puts in pics for the random Chars ?
I mean just like basic pics of the race or something like that

Nope. Inno and Co. like strict control over their IP, much like every big corpo.

 

[Sarkath]

Nashorn after running LT:
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lmao XD

That would never happen, lol.

Yeah, that was more of an open suggestion to jfmherokiller or anyone who wanted to do some deeper engine modding. I'm not counting on something like that ever becoming a thing in an official sense, lol.

 

[blitblop]

I forgot how good the combat system was in this game. Also how its got probably the best sex system in any rpg style game. Wish it had more visual indication of what was going on, but I think it would work best with just silhouettes, just a nice quick indication of poses and the look of a character.

 

[DarthSion98]

I've said this once and I'll say it again, if anyone want to create a game like LT (but with an actual update timeline), I can do the writing and worldbuilding, but I'll need a couple of people to do the art and programming.

There's this idea I shelved a long time ago regarding a massive labyrinth like the one in Maze Runner, but populated by fantasy races. Newcomers appear in certain spawn points in the maze and they have to find their way out. The maze is sentient and changes every now and then.

 

[sgb3]

I definitely think any attempt to make your own LT style game would need to be more like BDCC, and have a much more limited scope and scenario. Even if Inno wasn't a lazy hack, the planned game world is simply too large to be finished by a small team. You'd keep getting bogged down with NPCs and events in each zone, and of course in any crowdfunded game (particularly ones that pander to furries) you have the large donors trying to push their own fetishes and OCs that you may not be able to ignore due to finances.

 

[DarthSion98]

I definitely think any attempt to make your own LT style game would need to be more like BDCC, and have a much more limited scope and scenario. Even if Inno wasn't a lazy hack, the planned game world is simply too large to be finished by a small team. You'd keep getting bogged down with NPCs and events in each zone, and of course in any crowdfunded game (particularly ones that pander to furries) you have the large donors trying to push their own fetishes and OCs that you may not be able to ignore due to finances.

You gotta dream big, otherwise you end up in a dump like Inno forever condemned to swirl around it.
A maze would be very handy as well, new sections can simply be added as mods and updates.

 

[str8up]

You gotta dream big, otherwise you end up in a dump like Inno forever condemned to swirl around it.
A maze would be very handy as well, new sections can simply be added as mods and updates.

theres far to many games with puzzles and mini games in them already dont be given this dev ideas for them
ya want that kinda rubbish go play something else allow us grown ups to finally have a peaceful game to enjoy

 

[amaranta]

Even if Inno wasn't a lazy hack, the planned game world is simply too large to be finished by a small team. You'd keep getting bogged down with NPCs and events in each zone

Depends. As example, Masters of Raana. Can`t say I like it, but I can admit the productivity of dev. Last year has a decent progress.
Basically it's all about passion with a bit of structured approach. So long ppl want to do it and don`t create too much problems for themself, they can do it.

 

[BaloneyAmone]

wheres the save files location and also wish we had option to save/load from disk give us more control over our saves
also how do we open debug menu so can type in buggy ?

...the game does let you save/load from disk by going to settings -> save/load -> double click the floppy disk to save and the arrow one next to it to load that save. If you can't make saves, it's because you have the game in a directory where it can't write files, such as Program Files (x86), and you should move it from there.
As for the debug menu, you have to type it on your keyboard in any non-dialogue, non-encounter scene, e.g. while walking around the map.

 

[CaptainBipto]

wheres the save files location and also wish we had option to save/load from disk give us more control over our saves
also how do we open debug menu so can type in buggy ?

The save location for saves is in Data\Saves.
So, go to your game folder for LT and there should be a folder called Data. Go into that folder and there should be a folder called saves. Go into that folder and you should find all of your saves.

I am not sure why you need a separate save location to dump your save files into.
The game allows you to name each save file you create, giving you practically unlimited saves. There is no need to have a save to disk option when you can do as Baloney said and click on settings>save/load and then save, load, or create a brand new save by merely changing the name of the save file.

 

[StapleComm]

I am so angry about doll quest line

 

[str8up]

The save location for saves is in Data\Saves.
So, go to your game folder for LT and there should be a folder called Data. Go into that folder and there should be a folder called saves. Go into that folder and you should find all of your saves.

I am not sure why you need a separate save location to dump your save files into.
The game allows you to name each save file you create, giving you practically unlimited saves. There is no need to have a save to disk option when you can do as Baloney said and click on settings>save/load and then save, load, or create a brand new save by merely changing the name of the save file.

your absolutely about everything you said thank you

 

[CaptainBipto]

i ended up in a really bad zone and cant seem to get out of it wish there was a fast travel home button
also im near dead no options to rest or heal another thing thats frustrating

Craft a healing potion.

If you have any bottles that have a red icon, you can create a healing potion. So, click on the bottle, then click the enchant button (you can pick a red bottle of anything) and add a min/mid/major boost to it (make a major boost), then add a second major boost and it should heal your for 120% of your health when you use it.

If you take the Transformer fetish, it should reduce the essence cost of crafting any potion by 50%.

The purple and pink potions will restore your Aura.
If you have an Impish Brew, it can be enchanted to recover both health and aura.
If you are desperate for healing, some of the TF food will heal you for a little bit (5 or 10%).

I am not sure if it will work on Alley Tiles, but you might be able to craft a TF potion to give you wings and then you can use the map, select Fly, then pick a destination and fly to a safe spot with no encounters. The wings probably need to be at least Large and maybe bigger if you are a very tall character.

 

[str8up]

how come we dont have a bathroom?how the hell we clean ourselves LOL
we have a kitchen a bedroom a library a lab but no bathroom so we can shower?

 

[Draupnir7]

how come we dont have a bathroom?how the hell we clean ourselves LOL
we have a kitchen a bedroom a library a lab but no bathroom so we can shower?

The bathroom is in your room, on another tab.